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Replying To Joxer:  "I didn't mention Small's goal because we're talking about Cluxton here. You've come in on a conversation without reading the context. Cluxton got down three times on Geaney. His first attempt to block forced Geaney to pivot. His second attempt to block in a straightened position forced Geaney into his second "hop". His third attempt saw the ball go under his body. It was good goalkeeping to force Geaney to pivot twice and hold him up to get a defender on the line. Alas it wasn't to be."
Yeah but you said it was a "dodgy" goal. I would say it was a very well taken goal. A sublime pass by Clifford and excellent thinking by Geaney before dispatching his shot to the net..

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3605 - 09/08/2023 11:46:46    2499693

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah but you said it was a "dodgy" goal. I would say it was a very well taken goal. A sublime pass by Clifford and excellent thinking by Geaney before dispatching his shot to the net.."
Yes great pass from Clifford. Not so sure about Larry Bird's finish :)

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4696 - 09/08/2023 13:01:00    2499713

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yes great pass from Clifford. Not so sure about Larry Bird's finish :)"
Larry Bird was a brilliant basketballer and I saw many of his scores on tv but Not once did I see him kick a ball into the net,

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3605 - 09/08/2023 13:31:45    2499725

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Larry Bird was a brilliant basketballer and I saw many of his scores on tv but Not once did I see him kick a ball into the net,"
You may have seen him take more than one hop though Mick. :)

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4696 - 09/08/2023 13:37:43    2499726

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Replying To Joxer:  "You may have seen him take more than one hop though Mick. :)"
Paul "Larry Bird" Geaney - I love it.... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 09/08/2023 14:35:08    2499744

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Dodgy goal? Eventhough it was explained by the top referees it was a legit goal. What about Smalls goal. Sure only for the "dodgy" deflection maybe Ryan might have saved it. Note I say "might" whereas you know Cluxton would have saved Geaney shot."
"Might" and "dodgy", bottom line both keepers were beaten once in the game, neither goal was down to keeper error. Both keepers were otherwise excellent as regards goal-line duties. Cluxton found blue with all his restarts, Ryan found blue with three of his. Cluxton scored two long range place-kicks. So take it from there.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 650 - 09/08/2023 15:09:54    2499755

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Replying To cavanman47:  "I've looked at it.
With a man back on the line, he should've been out quicker. He wasn't.
OTB made a very good point - Shane Ryan made a save that won Kerry a match (v Derry). Cluxton didn't have to do that this year. Not his fault, but for me Ryan was the better keeper this year."
It doesn't matter whether a save resulted in a game being won or lost, the keeper doesn't know that at the time. It's the ability, agility and positioning to make that save in the first place that counts. Cluxton made 2 or 3 top class reflex saves this year in the championship (don't know whether they made TSG for those who were not there in person), his distribution has been flawless and he scored 2 pressure points in the AI final in greasy conditions. If Ryan can top that then Ryan should get the nod but I don't know if he did because I only saw glimpses of him on TSG. That's the problem with these awards, probably not enough evidence to fully support them, just opinion.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4696 - 09/08/2023 15:10:59    2499756

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Replying To sligo joe:  ""Might" and "dodgy", bottom line both keepers were beaten once in the game, neither goal was down to keeper error. Both keepers were otherwise excellent as regards goal-line duties. Cluxton found blue with all his restarts, Ryan found blue with three of his. Cluxton scored two long range place-kicks. So take it from there."
My arguement has nothing to do with Cluxton. Cluxton is class. Always was. My point is Geaney s goal was legit and a very good goal.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3605 - 09/08/2023 16:32:57    2499779

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Replying To Joxer:  "You may have seen him take more than one hop though Mick. :)"
Yeah but once he did nt catch it before he flicked it up then it's perfect. All referees say so. Class goal. Oh I've seen foul double hops alright in AI finals lol but not by Geaney.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3605 - 09/08/2023 16:36:42    2499782

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Replying To Joxer:  "You may have seen him take more than one hop though Mick. :)"
You'd be used to players fouling the ball to be fair.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1360 - 09/08/2023 17:04:05    2499786

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Replying To Joxer:  "It doesn't matter whether a save resulted in a game being won or lost, the keeper doesn't know that at the time. It's the ability, agility and positioning to make that save in the first place that counts. Cluxton made 2 or 3 top class reflex saves this year in the championship (don't know whether they made TSG for those who were not there in person), his distribution has been flawless and he scored 2 pressure points in the AI final in greasy conditions. If Ryan can top that then Ryan should get the nod but I don't know if he did because I only saw glimpses of him on TSG. That's the problem with these awards, probably not enough evidence to fully support them, just opinion."
Ryan made some super saves this year but I have no prob whatsoever if Cluxton gets All star. I don't agree with all the stats though as from one restart Cluxton kicked it out to midfield in first half and the first person to touch the ball was Kerry s Diarmuid Ó Connor who punched the ball away hard and a Dublin player gathered it. Now that goes down as a kickout won for Dublin but in truth Cluxton did nt know a Dub would get it as he kicked it towards Diarmuid and Diarmuid was first to the ball. Likewise Shane Ryan kicked a ball and Fenton punched it away but again a Dub player got it so it went as Ryan losing kickout. Also in some games the pundits are talking about keepers finding me at back. In alot of games the kickouts are not contested at all and even I could kick it to my corner back. In the provincial championships I saw games where no one pushed up and contested ko s.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3605 - 09/08/2023 17:19:28    2499789

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah but once he did nt catch it before he flicked it up then it's perfect. All referees say so. Class goal. Oh I've seen foul double hops alright in AI finals lol but not by Geaney."
Can't believe no1 is giving him credit for the quick thinking after he nearly made a mistake, i thought it was brilliant myself

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 555 - 09/08/2023 17:35:39    2499793

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Larry Bird was a brilliant basketballer and I saw many of his scores on tv but Not once did I see him kick a ball into the net,"
great basketball player better tipper

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2790 - 09/08/2023 19:41:50    2499801

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah but once he did nt catch it before he flicked it up then it's perfect. All referees say so. Class goal. Oh I've seen foul double hops alright in AI finals lol but not by Geaney."
Yes indeed Mick.
Bounce is hand to ground to hand.
It stopped being a bounce when he put his foot to the ball.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1268 - 09/08/2023 19:44:03    2499802

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Replying To cavanman47:  "'Tact' isnt in the Dublin dictionary.

I believe they held a vote to replace it 'yizzer', 'bleedin' and 'aah-heeeor' back in the early 70s."
Ha ha, only saw that now, shurrup and get the fork out of the sugar bowl :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8553 - 09/08/2023 20:28:46    2499805

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https://twitter.com/PwCIreland/status/1689592431875153920?s=20

Brendan Rogers gets player of the month for July, which contained the quarter finals, semi's and the final.
Surely has to be on the short list for POTY so?

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 10/08/2023 12:14:57    2499870

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Ryan made some super saves this year but I have no prob whatsoever if Cluxton gets All star. I don't agree with all the stats though as from one restart Cluxton kicked it out to midfield in first half and the first person to touch the ball was Kerry s Diarmuid Ó Connor who punched the ball away hard and a Dublin player gathered it. Now that goes down as a kickout won for Dublin but in truth Cluxton did nt know a Dub would get it as he kicked it towards Diarmuid and Diarmuid was first to the ball. Likewise Shane Ryan kicked a ball and Fenton punched it away but again a Dub player got it so it went as Ryan losing kickout. Also in some games the pundits are talking about keepers finding me at back. In alot of games the kickouts are not contested at all and even I could kick it to my corner back. In the provincial championships I saw games where no one pushed up and contested ko s."
As you say kick-out stats are based on possession and not on first touch, and rightly so. The kick-out strategy involves more than the keeper and the intended receiver. Because an opposition player gets a first touch or punch to the ball doesn't mean the strategy has failed. If the opposition come away with possession then the kick-out strategy has failed and of course there may be some luck involved, it is a ball game. But the stat is correct, three of Shane Ryan's kick-outs failed in retaining possession for Kerry.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 650 - 10/08/2023 13:08:08    2499883

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Replying To sligo joe:  "As you say kick-out stats are based on possession and not on first touch, and rightly so. The kick-out strategy involves more than the keeper and the intended receiver. Because an opposition player gets a first touch or punch to the ball doesn't mean the strategy has failed. If the opposition come away with possession then the kick-out strategy has failed and of course there may be some luck involved, it is a ball game. But the stat is correct, three of Shane Ryan's kick-outs failed in retaining possession for Kerry."
Spot on.
Stevo with 100% kick out success rate and 2pts scored in the biggest day of the year.
Enough said imo.

We wont even go into the self-preservation/assault by the other fella v Derry - if it was a rugby game it was, a red card all day long...
Knew exactly what he was doing.
Could have a target on his head for next season v Derry ;o) Joking of course.

Cherry picking aspects or stats of a losing final and re-watching it over and over again - wouldnt be my way of dealing with that defeat tbh.

We can all start going through the good aspects of certain of our players in the final, but from a losers pov, does it actually make the loss feel any easier.?

I am not sure Stevo's performance in the final and the lack of goals conceded by him before the final, will be enough to get him the All Star. I actually think an outfield Dublin player might get one instead of him. Similarly the POTY award going to Jamesie - not so sure he will actually get it.
But really, does it matter - who have the All Ireland medals this year - that is the main thing.

Many players has received All Stars when other were perhaps more deserving of them.
Very rarely everyone will agree on them. Similarly for the team of the year and even POTY.

It can be good for debate etc but I wouldnt be losing sleep over it and continually trying to prove a point - be it positive or negative, depending on your team of preference.

What will be, will be.... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 10/08/2023 14:18:27    2499895

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Come on Joxer are you going to address why you were answering questions no one actually asked you?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1360 - 11/08/2023 11:55:10    2500037

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Replying To oneoff:  "Come on Joxer are you going to address why you were answering questions no one actually asked you?"
Is that you Sparky/Up4it? LOL. Worst WUM ever. Bring back TheMaster. At least he knew something about the sport.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4696 - 11/08/2023 12:32:14    2500052

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