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Donal O'Gs Comments On Football In General And The TC In Particular

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "It's more than that and this just ignores history. Clubs should decide which sport they play. Hurling has never been played in many clubs in Donegal since they were founded. It's not part of the culture."
Why do i get the feeling that if a hurling man from kilkenny or tipp used the exact same logic to justify ignoring football you'd lose the plot?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 18/05/2023 15:04:26    2479444

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Replying To Past hurler:  "I knew football was dead when I witnessed Galway v Sligo in the Connaght final and Kerry v Clare.

Had to turn both games off at half time, most boring one sides games you'd ever see for finals.

Don't even get me started on Dublin v Louth, was like watching an under 14 team trying to defend against a senior team, how people pay €35 in to watch these football finals is beyond me!

Give me a Clare v Limerick Munster hurling final or Wexford v Kilkenny Leinster hurling final anyday ahead of this one sided affairs!"
You could say the same about the Connaght and Ulster hurling finals if they still existed! They would be even more one sided and boring. There are more competitive and close games in top level football than there is in hurling every year

martyW (Westmeath) - Posts: 333 - 18/05/2023 15:25:25    2479452

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Why do i get the feeling that if a hurling man from kilkenny or tipp used the exact same logic to justify ignoring football you'd lose the plot?"
I wouldn't but carry on with the assumptions hurling man. KK don't field a team in the NFL or Tailteann and it doesn't bother me at all.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 18/05/2023 16:04:25    2479457

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "TG4 coverage is great, I watched Munster U20 final on Monday on it and many minor matches. I see no reason why not give them championship matches."
Here here, they are brilliant at GAA coverage and should be given an opportunity to cover all aspects/levels/tiers of the football and hurling championships

keepitlit (Longford) - Posts: 45 - 18/05/2023 16:41:37    2479467

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Replying To ecad123:  "Like in fairness there is not that much to football, the only thing it has is that almost any one can play it as the skill set is not very high, if you are athletic and fast then you are set, like I myself can't stand the way football has gone, like where is the skill in handpassing? And in fairness that's what 95% of the game is now, even points and goals are hand passes it's nearly a cure for insomnia!"
Well. I can box. and cycle. and swim. and play squash. and play Gaelic football. and play soccer. And tennis. I even played cricket a few times (admittedly when drunk). I also ski. And run. I also do a bit of car rallying.

I great crack out of all of them, but am poor at most of them and, at best, average at a couple of them. No big deal, it's all good fun.

But I'd never be either arrogant enough or dumb enough go about saying that "boxing is easy because sure anyone can throw a few punches outside the pub on a Friday night"; or that "car rallying is easy because sure everyone can drive" etc etc.

If for example you put me in with e.g., a proper boxer, I'd be flattened inside 3 minutes, and I wouldn't have laid a glove on him, unless I cheated. There's a world of difference between being able to play a sport at a functional basic level, and being top flight at it. The step up from even competent to top class is almost like playing a different sport altogether.

Anyone fit can play most sports to a basic level. But even rugby guys struggled with high fielding. Remember the Mickey Ned O'Sullivan toured a number of South African Super 14 clubs giving advice on high-fielding three years ago.

If you reckon football is that easy, let us know what county football team you regularly starred for then, eh? Or was it all beneath you lol

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 292 - 18/05/2023 17:21:17    2479477

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I'm fine with that. At least we wouldn't have to deal with your type anymore. We get to keep Croke Park and the hurling final can be played in Semple."
See you are making this personnel about me expressing an opinion. What are my type ? I grew up in a parish where football was the only game. My dad by all accounts would match the best in Kerry, Cavan, Galway, Down, Donegal etc. I have his Waterford senior football county medal. St. John college played in the Waterford championship and it was supposedly harder to win than An All-Ireland with the best of Ireland playing with them. So no bias here towards football. Neither am I saying that everything is perfect with hurling but again in my opinion gaelic football is puke and the worst field sport played in Ireland now. Destroyed by rules that were just incorrect. All alternative opinions are welcome in my world.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 18/05/2023 17:26:15    2479478

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Replying To martyW:  "You could say the same about the Connaght and Ulster hurling finals if they still existed! They would be even more one sided and boring. There are more competitive and close games in top level football than there is in hurling every year"
Yes put there is more entertainment in a junior c hurling match if it is one sided.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 18/05/2023 17:27:52    2479479

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I'm fine with that. At least we wouldn't have to deal with your type anymore. We get to keep Croke Park and the hurling final can be played in Semple."
See you are making this personnel about me expressing an opinion. What are my type ? I grew up in a parish where football was the only game. My dad by all accounts would match the best in Kerry, Cavan, Galway, Down, Donegal etc. I have his Waterford senior football county medal. St. John college played in the Waterford championship and it was supposedly harder to win than An All-Ireland with the best of Ireland playing with them. So no bias here towards football. Neither am I saying that everything is perfect with hurling but again in my opinion gaelic football is puke and the worst field sport played in Ireland now. Destroyed by rules that were just incorrect. All alternative opinions are welcome in my world.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 18/05/2023 17:30:05    2479481

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "It's more than that and this just ignores history. Clubs should decide which sport they play. Hurling has never been played in many clubs in Donegal since they were founded. It's not part of the culture."
If we are going to talk Donegal culture/ history then so the traditional game of north Donegal & Inishowen Is Camananachd/Commons or Shiny which Michael Collins etc basically ignored when codifying the modern version of Hurling.

HurlingObserver (Down) - Posts: 66 - 18/05/2023 18:50:01    2479493

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I wouldn't but carry on with the assumptions hurling man. KK don't field a team in the NFL or Tailteann and it doesn't bother me at all."
Hurling man? I prefer hurling but follow both sports.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 18/05/2023 18:59:19    2479497

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Replying To martyW:  "You could say the same about the Connaght and Ulster hurling finals if they still existed! They would be even more one sided and boring. There are more competitive and close games in top level football than there is in hurling every year"
Games and be entertaining and close if teams of the same level compete.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11561 - 18/05/2023 20:27:08    2479505

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Replying To Canuck:  "It is time for these two sports to parts ways a they have nothing in common other than the players. Hurling is close to ice hockey and football of late closer to soccer. It used be closer to rugby and Australian football or American football. It is not about snobbery. Having had a group of North Americans watching ours games. A football game first and then the hurling game. No interest in the football match and on the edge of their seats without a sound for the hurling game. Personally for me football was my first love and never missed an All-Ireland. I would not go across the road to watch the garbage played today."
The only people who ever try to claim they have something in common are in fact hurling.

How is hurling anywhere close to ice hockey?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1620 - 18/05/2023 20:33:57    2479507

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Replying To HurlingObserver:  "If we are going to talk Donegal culture/ history then so the traditional game of north Donegal & Inishowen Is Camananachd/Commons or Shiny which Michael Collins etc basically ignored when codifying the modern version of Hurling."
Which I mentioned in another comment. Inishowen and East Donegal would still have the bulk of the activity.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 18/05/2023 21:49:39    2479524

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Replying To Canuck:  "See you are making this personnel about me expressing an opinion. What are my type ? I grew up in a parish where football was the only game. My dad by all accounts would match the best in Kerry, Cavan, Galway, Down, Donegal etc. I have his Waterford senior football county medal. St. John college played in the Waterford championship and it was supposedly harder to win than An All-Ireland with the best of Ireland playing with them. So no bias here towards football. Neither am I saying that everything is perfect with hurling but again in my opinion gaelic football is puke and the worst field sport played in Ireland now. Destroyed by rules that were just incorrect. All alternative opinions are welcome in my world."
Calling the sport rubbish and puke for a start. A split in the GAA would be awful for hurling and I can't Ulster county including Antrim going for it. There are currently 10 clubs competing in hurling in Donegal and need backing not a new body which will likely be based in Munster and not give a toss about promoting hurling in Donegal.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 18/05/2023 21:55:51    2479527

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Replying To oneoff:  "The only people who ever try to claim they have something in common are in fact hurling.

How is hurling anywhere close to ice hockey?"
Let me give a bit of history. Hockey has its origins from hurling. There are pictures of the game being played with hurling sticks and it used be 25 aside like hurling. Of a comparison with to day's both are played with a stick and allow physical challenges. The square is the same as the crease in hockey. Goal tenders tend to have the same attributes. To me hurling is the best field sport and ice hockey the best non field sport. I appreciate others may think different but opinions are opinions.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 19/05/2023 02:17:22    2479547

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Replying To HurlingObserver:  "If we are going to talk Donegal culture/ history then so the traditional game of north Donegal & Inishowen Is Camananachd/Commons or Shiny which Michael Collins etc basically ignored when codifying the modern version of Hurling."
Great post! Bravo, true Gael! I suppose it as Michael Cusack who was shot at Beal Na Blath then?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2204 - 19/05/2023 02:53:04    2479548

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "Nonsense. Go to any Munster final (can't speak for Leinster) and there are people from all over the country in attendance."
Same with Leinster finals. There are even players from all over the country playing in the Leinster championship!!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 19/05/2023 09:10:15    2479564

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "It's more than that and this just ignores history. Clubs should decide which sport they play. Hurling has never been played in many clubs in Donegal since they were founded. It's not part of the culture."
So they are GFCs then?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 19/05/2023 09:10:50    2479565

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I wouldn't but carry on with the assumptions hurling man. KK don't field a team in the NFL or Tailteann and it doesn't bother me at all."
Many in Kilkenny would like to though. Some great Kilkenny underage footballers have won Hogan Cups with Good Counsel

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15681 - 19/05/2023 09:28:54    2479569

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Replying To Canuck:  "Let me give a bit of history. Hockey has its origins from hurling. There are pictures of the game being played with hurling sticks and it used be 25 aside like hurling. Of a comparison with to day's both are played with a stick and allow physical challenges. The square is the same as the crease in hockey. Goal tenders tend to have the same attributes. To me hurling is the best field sport and ice hockey the best non field sport. I appreciate others may think different but opinions are opinions."
Edward Carson played the precursor of modern field hockey in Trinity college. It was called the 'Hurley club.' Which some dimwits think means that he played hurling :-)

(I don't think hurling was played in Trinners at all until the 70s or even 80s, but stand to be corrected?)


There are lots of stick and ball games around the world, and hurling is our unique version. Just as caid and other local variants were the equivalents of various football games.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3512 - 19/05/2023 09:41:27    2479570

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