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Donal O'Gs Comments On Football In General And The TC In Particular

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Replying To martyW:  "You could say the same about the Connaght and Ulster hurling finals if they still existed! They would be even more one sided and boring. There are more competitive and close games in top level football than there is in hurling every year"
Yeah hurling snobs are a rare breed alright. There has been some shocking games in the hurling championship and mismatches like Clare and Cork both hammered Waterford. Kilkenny hammered Westmeath and Antrim, yet no one says hurling is dead after these games. The reality is hurling has never been alive in most counties and hurling snobs like Donal Og doesn't help the growth of the sport.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 19/05/2023 09:50:37    2479573

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Calling the sport rubbish and puke for a start. A split in the GAA would be awful for hurling and I can't Ulster county including Antrim going for it. There are currently 10 clubs competing in hurling in Donegal and need backing not a new body which will likely be based in Munster and not give a toss about promoting hurling in Donegal."
Agree 100%. The game needs growing in counties like Donegal.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 19/05/2023 09:57:57    2479575

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Good interview with Martin Fogarty on OTB about trying to grow hurling last night

[url=]https://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/otb-gaa-on-off-the-ball/the-challenge-of-growing-hurling-in-the-wilderness-incentivising-clubs-martin-fogarty

martyW (Westmeath) - Posts: 319 - 19/05/2023 10:15:20    2479581

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Replying To CartaDubh:  "Yeah hurling snobs are a rare breed alright. There has been some shocking games in the hurling championship and mismatches like Clare and Cork both hammered Waterford. Kilkenny hammered Westmeath and Antrim, yet no one says hurling is dead after these games. The reality is hurling has never been alive in most counties and hurling snobs like Donal Og doesn't help the growth of the sport."
Posted earlier on this thread he has done the sport of hurling some disservice down the years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 19/05/2023 10:30:10    2479586

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Edward Carson played the precursor of modern field hockey in Trinity college. It was called the 'Hurley club.' Which some dimwits think means that he played hurling :-)

(I don't think hurling was played in Trinners at all until the 70s or even 80s, but stand to be corrected?)


There are lots of stick and ball games around the world, and hurling is our unique version. Just as caid and other local variants were the equivalents of various football games."
You should really do your research before calling others dimwits.

Trinity hurling club was formed in the 1920s.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2023 10:55:31    2479596

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Replying To Canuck:  "Let me give a bit of history. Hockey has its origins from hurling. There are pictures of the game being played with hurling sticks and it used be 25 aside like hurling. Of a comparison with to day's both are played with a stick and allow physical challenges. The square is the same as the crease in hockey. Goal tenders tend to have the same attributes. To me hurling is the best field sport and ice hockey the best non field sport. I appreciate others may think different but opinions are opinions."
Still fail to see what it has in common with ice hockey? Unless hurling has started to be played on ice?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2023 10:57:18    2479598

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Replying To CartaDubh:  "Yeah hurling snobs are a rare breed alright. There has been some shocking games in the hurling championship and mismatches like Clare and Cork both hammered Waterford. Kilkenny hammered Westmeath and Antrim, yet no one says hurling is dead after these games. The reality is hurling has never been alive in most counties and hurling snobs like Donal Og doesn't help the growth of the sport."
Donal Og is one of these people who thinks he's entitled to talk down to everyone about hurling.

He's latest, and quite bizarre, gripe is with Kerry for some reason. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he's applied for the Kerry job in the past and didn't get it. As along with a lot of other things with him in his head Kerry should bend over backwards to get him as manager and should just get the job.

A few years ago he was all about "Team Ulster" and Ulster hurling in general. Again it wouldn't surprise me if he had applied for the Antrim job and didn't get it. So he now also has a grip with Antrim.

I don't know what it is with him but for a man now in his mid 40s he's incredibly childish about everything.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2023 11:06:37    2479600

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Replying To oneoff:  "You should really do your research before calling others dimwits.

Trinity hurling club was formed in the 1920s."
People who claim that Edward Carson played hurling are dimwits.

You will of course have a reference for your claim about a hurling club in the 1920s, given that the gaelic football team was only founded in 1951 and was at first refused recognition because matches were on Sunday!

https://universitytimes.ie/2011/01/60-years-of-gaa-in-trinity-a-history/

So am looking forward to apologising to you if you have facts which indicate the contrary.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 19/05/2023 11:40:21    2479607

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Replying To CartaDubh:  "Yeah hurling snobs are a rare breed alright. There has been some shocking games in the hurling championship and mismatches like Clare and Cork both hammered Waterford. Kilkenny hammered Westmeath and Antrim, yet no one says hurling is dead after these games. The reality is hurling has never been alive in most counties and hurling snobs like Donal Og doesn't help the growth of the sport."
I can only speak personally.. I never played hurling, grew up with a ball in hand. Hurling like every sport has its mismatched and poor games but it's the highs that standout for me. A great hurling game beats all sports in the world. Do I expect a great hurling match every time? No..

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 19/05/2023 11:56:53    2479612

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "People who claim that Edward Carson played hurling are dimwits.

You will of course have a reference for your claim about a hurling club in the 1920s, given that the gaelic football team was only founded in 1951 and was at first refused recognition because matches were on Sunday!

https://universitytimes.ie/2011/01/60-years-of-gaa-in-trinity-a-history/

So am looking forward to apologising to you if you have facts which indicate the contrary."
Second paragraph.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hilliard

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2023 13:06:33    2479637

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Replying To oneoff:  "Second paragraph.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hilliard"
There's no reference in the article cited by Wikipedia - a not reliable source - to his having played hurling in Trinity.

https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll10/id/3430/rec/12

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 19/05/2023 16:54:58    2479684

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Replying To oneoff:  "Still fail to see what it has in common with ice hockey? Unless hurling has started to be played on ice?"
I think you need to go some help.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 19/05/2023 21:02:34    2479713

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "There's no reference in the article cited by Wikipedia - a not reliable source - to his having played hurling in Trinity.

https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll10/id/3430/rec/12"
"was a founding member of Trinity's hurling club" never said anything about him playing hurling did I?

Here's another one for you then. Is this reliable enough for you?

https://www.ontheditch.com/no-pasaran/

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 19/05/2023 22:02:36    2479719

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Replying To Meath10:  "Soccer requires an incredible amount of skill to play at the highest level. Far far more than Gaelic football if we are being honest."
To play soccer at the highest level, given the sheer numbers involved playing it and the skill level involved, you are either a genius, an extraordinary athlete or both.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 19/05/2023 23:23:56    2479723

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Replying To oneoff:  ""was a founding member of Trinity's hurling club" never said anything about him playing hurling did I?

Here's another one for you then. Is this reliable enough for you?

https://www.ontheditch.com/no-pasaran/"
Leftie myths are not historical sources old chap. These are all people repeating the same thing with no evidence.

There is no evidence of there having been a hurling club - or barely anyone who would have known how to play hurling or wished to play hurling - in TCD in the 1920s.

The source above is from the Trinity GAA club which traces its origins to 1951. It also addresses the Carson myth:

"References to the game of "hurley" being played in Trinity College date back to 1871, thirteen years before the GAA was founded but there remains some debate as to whether the game played was a precursor to modern day hockey as opposed to hurling. After this Gaelic games in Trinity remained very much under the radar until a special group of players put it on the map in 1951 and put the foundations in place for the GAA club as we know it today."

The Protestant College powers also refused to recognise it at the start:

"At this time DUCAC refused to acknowledge their existence due to the fact games were played on a Sunday so the Trinity College footballers entered their first competition under the name the Collegians. "

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 20/05/2023 08:54:53    2479738

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Leftie myths are not historical sources old chap. These are all people repeating the same thing with no evidence.

There is no evidence of there having been a hurling club - or barely anyone who would have known how to play hurling or wished to play hurling - in TCD in the 1920s.

The source above is from the Trinity GAA club which traces its origins to 1951. It also addresses the Carson myth:

"References to the game of "hurley" being played in Trinity College date back to 1871, thirteen years before the GAA was founded but there remains some debate as to whether the game played was a precursor to modern day hockey as opposed to hurling. After this Gaelic games in Trinity remained very much under the radar until a special group of players put it on the map in 1951 and put the foundations in place for the GAA club as we know it today."

The Protestant College powers also refused to recognise it at the start:

"At this time DUCAC refused to acknowledge their existence due to the fact games were played on a Sunday so the Trinity College footballers entered their first competition under the name the Collegians. ""
If it makes you happy It's all just a myth then....

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/05/2023 10:14:53    2479744

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Replying To oneoff:  "
Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Leftie myths are not historical sources old chap. These are all people repeating the same thing with no evidence.

There is no evidence of there having been a hurling club - or barely anyone who would have known how to play hurling or wished to play hurling - in TCD in the 1920s.

The source above is from the Trinity GAA club which traces its origins to 1951. It also addresses the Carson myth:

"References to the game of "hurley" being played in Trinity College date back to 1871, thirteen years before the GAA was founded but there remains some debate as to whether the game played was a precursor to modern day hockey as opposed to hurling. After this Gaelic games in Trinity remained very much under the radar until a special group of players put it on the map in 1951 and put the foundations in place for the GAA club as we know it today."

The Protestant College powers also refused to recognise it at the start:

"At this time DUCAC refused to acknowledge their existence due to the fact games were played on a Sunday so the Trinity College footballers entered their first competition under the name the Collegians. ""
If it makes you happy It's all just a myth then...."
It is a myth. Someone puts on Wikipedia that some oddball communist founded a hurling club in Trinity with absolutely no evidence to back that up, and in complete contradiction to the actual history of GAA in Trinity.

Describing that as a "myth" is the kindest description of what they pass off as history.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2557 - 20/05/2023 11:06:58    2479755

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Generally I couldn't care less about what Donal O'G says about football or anything else, but I thought his response to J Cantwell yesterday to a valid question was just plain rude. He made the comments about the TC - that's not in doubt but refused to explain himself or back it up.

Reminds me of Brolly - trying to make a name for himself by making controversial comments.

Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 308 - 22/05/2023 09:19:27    2480306

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Replying To Cbar:  "Generally I couldn't care less about what Donal O'G says about football or anything else, but I thought his response to J Cantwell yesterday to a valid question was just plain rude. He made the comments about the TC - that's not in doubt but refused to explain himself or back it up.

Reminds me of Brolly - trying to make a name for himself by making controversial comments."
I'd agree.

I thought Cusack came across really badly with his refusal to answer a very simple question.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 22/05/2023 11:38:03    2480417

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Replying To Cbar:  "Generally I couldn't care less about what Donal O'G says about football or anything else, but I thought his response to J Cantwell yesterday to a valid question was just plain rude. He made the comments about the TC - that's not in doubt but refused to explain himself or back it up.

Reminds me of Brolly - trying to make a name for himself by making controversial comments."
I also thought he was very rude. I'd say she was asked to raise this matter by RTE head honchos. He deflected, distracted and refused to stand over his comments. Asking her to listen to him live is just arrogant.

Would Daly or Canning have gotten away with talking to her like that?

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 22/05/2023 11:39:52    2480419

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