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The delusion on this forum is laughable
Waltermitty2 (Wexford) - Posts: 278 - 23/04/2023 12:55:14
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Replying To Waltermitty2: "The delusion on this forum is laughable" Some eternal optimists here. Many including myself hoped we'd finally see the real Wexford yesterday. Not to be. Granted the late withdrawals of chin and reck didn't help but I've seen nothing this year to suggest we're going to get out of Leinster.
Ah sure it'll all come good next Saturday now . Unless we up our game massively we'll be out of Leinster next weekend.
Someone posted earlier about Galway supporters being unhappy about how their team played despite winning comfortably. Contrast that with the thinking of some posters here…….
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 23/04/2023 13:47:16
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "What's that got to do with the matter at hand? Is not losing to Kilkenny the raison d'etre of Wexford hurling?
For the record, in the last 5 years Kilkenny have won 2 League titles, 3 Leinsters , appeared in 4 AI semi-finals and 2 finals. Not that anyone in Kilkenny would boast about it. Just like they wouldn't be losing much sleep over not beating Wexford in the last 4 years, or whatever it is." Ooh! Touched a nerve did I CC? Never mind the last 5 years look at our records since the 1890s. Beating your lads always means more to us than beating anyone else. It doesn't happen very often and never did!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 13:58:11
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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin: "Encouraging start but very poor after that. Outscored 23 points to 11 after that good start....and thank God we did. A combination of good start and galway being very poor. A game that will be forgotten very quickly by all involved. Poor stuff all round. Felt very similar to the league game in Wexford park...just with an even smaller crowd. Players didn't even look too up for it, be it lack of confidence from Wexford and complacency from Galway. I don't think either set of supporters were happy with that. Awful game to watch. We looked well off the pace. Not impressed by Galway either. Egans game plan leaves a lot to be desired. Were great lads to make excuses but we couldn't have got a better start even with the lads but it petered out as a contest once they went ahead.
On the positive side. We didn't get hammered. It reminded me a bit of the Limerick league game where we didn't get hammered and stayed close-ish. Galway are a top side and have sights on an all Ireland but can't seem to string a full game together so not fully convinced by them. Most of their supporters were very dissapointed by their showing. And obviously we've the two lads to come back. We've missed Lee so much the last few years it's nearly just a bonus having him as basing every game on that he'll be playing. Damien Reck a loss but tbf Conor Foley probably played as well as Reck could've. All round forgettable performance from all. We were going in hope anyways so don't think result as put a dent in our expectations for Leinster progression. Dublin and Antrim games going to be huge now. Westmeath not be taken lightly after our disaster class last year. I don't think we'll be winning an all Ireland or even Leinster but I definitely don't think we're as bad as some pundits are saying, seen one very big Podcaster saying were in danger of falling off the map as a serious hurling player, something about there could only be 7 top hurling counties in a few years (KK, Gal and 5 Munster teams) I do worry a small bit about 3/4 years down the line but to suggest we'll turn into something as low as that is extreme.
Anyways, all we can worry about is Antrim now and getting over that." Tbh I thought Conor Foley didn't have a great game. He was a big loss to our u20s Friday night.
As regards Antrim we will have to play alot better if we are going to beat them. I think we will.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 14:01:16
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I'm feeling somewhat more positive this morning.
We defended fairly well
Lawlor was OK for first championship start.
Backs were grand but would call out matt and Devitt. I think we missed Ian carty too.
Foley can be proud of his first big day. A little raw but wasn't roasted.
Niland was excellent but if Reck was on he wouldn't have had it that easy.
Chinner up front would have made a massive difference for us.
We were well in it but not clinical enough. Really should have had a lead at half time.
Galway were excellent for the first ten minutes of 2nd half which was ultimately the difference between the 2 teams.
Missing the penalty was crucial but mac had a reasonably good game for what ball he got. Was very surprised jacko didn't hit it, or even Rory.
Dee was excellent too and didn't seem to be injured.
Not sure what we're at with Rory, but he did fairly well.
Jippo looks very rusty but will improve I'm sure.
Right before dee came off and chin had been warming up and Galway were in the ascendcy, dee came off and Egan went over and said something to chin.
A bit of strategy at play? Perhaps he decided we'd gone too far and wasn't worth going hammer and tongs to lose anyway?
Antrim were unlucky not to win so we need to bring everything we have for the next two games.
Get the maximum from Antrim, Dublin and Westmeath. Then we'll see what we're made of at home to the old enemy.
We've bounced back before. Last year we had no form after the Waterford game but beat Kilkenny and were excellent against Clare.
We need to do the same again.
This feels a lot like the early 00s. Not fully at the races, but capable of a huge day against all odds." It's the story of Wexford hurling since I started following it in the early 90s. Except for the woeful period around the turn of the teens.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 14:03:15
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Replying To Fulgrim: "Conor Mac is so maligned on here. Does anyone realise how outnumbered he is most of the time and just how badly he's fouled? At one point in the second half he was out in front of McInerney so McInerney literally wrapped both his arms around Conor's free hand to drag him back. No free. How many times have we seen backs bear hug and wrestle him to the ground for their spare man or keeper to clean up? I honestly think he's one of the most fouled forwards in the country that gets nothing from refs." I agree Fulgrim. If he wasn't such a good player I wouldn't bother posting anything about him. Same as Jacko. Those big men on opposing teams would have a far harder job of marking and fouling both if they kept moving though. Jacko did when he came on. Hopefully the penny will drop with Mac too.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 14:05:47
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Not impressed by Galway. Galway are a top side . I'm confused." He's a Galway man Pope
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 14:06:18
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "Some eternal optimists here. Many including myself hoped we'd finally see the real Wexford yesterday. Not to be. Granted the late withdrawals of chin and reck didn't help but I've seen nothing this year to suggest we're going to get out of Leinster.
Ah sure it'll all come good next Saturday now . Unless we up our game massively we'll be out of Leinster next weekend.
Someone posted earlier about Galway supporters being unhappy about how their team played despite winning comfortably. Contrast that with the thinking of some posters here……." It's up to you how you view life. And hurling. If we exit early I'll be as disappointed as you. I just don't get why anyone would want the worst to happen as some posters on here seem to. And I do know from my own life experiences that by being negative you can actually contribute to what you fear will happen actually coming true.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 14:11:25
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Minors have Kilkenny next weekend in Leinster semi final who beat Offaly 2-15 0-14 in QF today.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 23/04/2023 14:46:23
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I'm as optimistic as anyone but you cannot look at that performance yesterday and say we are up with Galway? Delusional. Chin and Reck two massive losses yes but galway were well ahead of us yesterday. I really really hope I'm wrong but it's going to be a short year.
I'm not convinced by Egan at all. Rory o Connor playing in his own half is laughable.
ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 23/04/2023 14:59:02
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Replying To Fulgrim: "Conor Mac is so maligned on here. Does anyone realise how outnumbered he is most of the time and just how badly he's fouled? At one point in the second half he was out in front of McInerney so McInerney literally wrapped both his arms around Conor's free hand to drag him back. No free. How many times have we seen backs bear hug and wrestle him to the ground for their spare man or keeper to clean up? I honestly think he's one of the most fouled forwards in the country that gets nothing from refs." 100% agree
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3893 - 23/04/2023 15:05:51
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Replying To Waltermitty2: "The delusion on this forum is laughable" I hear boards have a great wexford forum? Perhaps that would be more to your taste
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3893 - 23/04/2023 15:11:16
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Minors have Kilkenny next weekend in Leinster semi final who beat Offaly 2-15 0-14 in QF today." Have you a time and place for it yet?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 15:21:45
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "I'm as optimistic as anyone but you cannot look at that performance yesterday and say we are up with Galway? Delusional. Chin and Reck two massive losses yes but galway were well ahead of us yesterday. I really really hope I'm wrong but it's going to be a short year.
I'm not convinced by Egan at all. Rory o Connor playing in his own half is laughable." I never said we are up with Galway. Though I do believe if we meet them again later this year, and we both have all our players fully fit, that we could beat them.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 15:25:08
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Yesterday was by and large poor fare but tbh, I think a lot of it is because you can afford to coast through Leinster in third gear and aim to peak for later in the Championship whereas in Munster, you have to be flat to the boards to even make it out of the group stages.
Even though we conceded 24 points, I think the defenders did a good job on the whole, thought Jippo and MOH were the two stand-outs. Conor Foley was ok, did well enough for a 20yo debutant up against Conor Cooney but still isn't the finished article just yet.
The MAJOR issue for me was how their half-back line completely dominated our half-forward line. It felt like every time the ball went up to our half-forwards, Mannion/Burke/Cooney ended up winning possession and the ball went back to where it came from. We created 26 scoring opportunities on the whole which is nowhere near enough; Galway's 40 is ok for us given how much our half-forward line got cleaned out of it in terms of winning primary possession.
The fact of the matter is that we don't have the depth to cope with the losses of either Damien Reck or Lee Chin, nevermind both.
Going forward, I'd probably start the following XV next week:
James Lawlor
Shane Reck-Jippo-Conor Devitt
Simon Donohoe-Dee-MOH
Cathal Dunbar-Kevin Foley
Richie Lawlor-Lee Chin-Jack O'Connor
Mikie Dwyer-Conor Mc-Rory O'Connor
Niland got 7 points from play yesterday but he mainly got them on the periphery and never really got any of them directly off Shane Reck. I don't know how the eligibility rules for U20 work exactly but I'd rather Conor Foley play in Mullingar next week. Dee has played #6 for the Anne's so think he should be grand there, not sure he has the legs anymore for midfield. Dunbar's best performances seem to come from out the field so think he should start there, think we should use Liam Óg off the bench and then start him against Dublin, not sure he'll be able to start three weekends in a row.
We really lacked ball-winners yesterday so if Lee is fit, he should start in the half-forward line. Think Jacko improved things yesterday when he came on, as did Mikie Dwyer. Richie Lawlor caught one ball in the air late on yesterday, think he has something to offer as a ball-winner in the half-forward line. Don't know why we had Rory so deep yesterday, we lack scoring forwards in the first place so we're were sabotaging ourselves by playing him as a sweeper. Putting Mikie and Rory in the corners and leaving in there will mean that Antrim will have to respect their speed, should help to isolate Mac on their full-back as well. We struggle to score points so may as well make more sense to double-down on scoring goals and winning frees by driving at the goal.
Nearly every single time we've faced Antrim in Antrim, we've had a woefully difficult match. But whenever we've played them at Wexford Park, we've usually nearly always won pretty comfortably (Bar the 2015 League). If they don't quite bring their Corrigan Park form and we start the above XV, I'd be quite hopeful that we'll get the two points next Saturday. They will be coming down thinking they can take our scalp (Which they very much can), we need to be at it from the very start.
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 626 - 23/04/2023 15:28:06
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Hope Kk beat Galway next week - if they can be already in the Leinster final before our game in Wexford park Kilkenny could throw a second string team on so they lose and avoid Galway in the final.
Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 589 - 23/04/2023 15:55:59
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Replying To Yellow: "Hope Kk beat Galway next week - if they can be already in the Leinster final before our game in Wexford park Kilkenny could throw a second string team on so they lose and avoid Galway in the final." Wouldn't get bogged down in hypotheticals, we just need to get our own house in order and improve vastly on yesterday.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 23/04/2023 16:40:55
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Replying To Viking66: "He hasn't been used in his best position by Egan, who seems to prefer Dee there." I think he hasn't played there due to his poor form, Kilkenny game last May was the 1st time we reverted to a sweeper under Egan.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 23/04/2023 16:42:06
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Replying To Yellow: "Hope Kk beat Galway next week - if they can be already in the Leinster final before our game in Wexford park Kilkenny could throw a second string team on so they lose and avoid Galway in the final." There's going to be lots of twists and turns before that game against Kilkenny
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 16:54:28
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Yesterday was by and large poor fare but tbh, I think a lot of it is because you can afford to coast through Leinster in third gear and aim to peak for later in the Championship whereas in Munster, you have to be flat to the boards to even make it out of the group stages.
Even though we conceded 24 points, I think the defenders did a good job on the whole, thought Jippo and MOH were the two stand-outs. Conor Foley was ok, did well enough for a 20yo debutant up against Conor Cooney but still isn't the finished article just yet.
The MAJOR issue for me was how their half-back line completely dominated our half-forward line. It felt like every time the ball went up to our half-forwards, Mannion/Burke/Cooney ended up winning possession and the ball went back to where it came from. We created 26 scoring opportunities on the whole which is nowhere near enough; Galway's 40 is ok for us given how much our half-forward line got cleaned out of it in terms of winning primary possession.
The fact of the matter is that we don't have the depth to cope with the losses of either Damien Reck or Lee Chin, nevermind both.
Going forward, I'd probably start the following XV next week:
James Lawlor
Shane Reck-Jippo-Conor Devitt
Simon Donohoe-Dee-MOH
Cathal Dunbar-Kevin Foley
Richie Lawlor-Lee Chin-Jack O'Connor
Mikie Dwyer-Conor Mc-Rory O'Connor
Niland got 7 points from play yesterday but he mainly got them on the periphery and never really got any of them directly off Shane Reck. I don't know how the eligibility rules for U20 work exactly but I'd rather Conor Foley play in Mullingar next week. Dee has played #6 for the Anne's so think he should be grand there, not sure he has the legs anymore for midfield. Dunbar's best performances seem to come from out the field so think he should start there, think we should use Liam Óg off the bench and then start him against Dublin, not sure he'll be able to start three weekends in a row.
We really lacked ball-winners yesterday so if Lee is fit, he should start in the half-forward line. Think Jacko improved things yesterday when he came on, as did Mikie Dwyer. Richie Lawlor caught one ball in the air late on yesterday, think he has something to offer as a ball-winner in the half-forward line. Don't know why we had Rory so deep yesterday, we lack scoring forwards in the first place so we're were sabotaging ourselves by playing him as a sweeper. Putting Mikie and Rory in the corners and leaving in there will mean that Antrim will have to respect their speed, should help to isolate Mac on their full-back as well. We struggle to score points so may as well make more sense to double-down on scoring goals and winning frees by driving at the goal.
Nearly every single time we've faced Antrim in Antrim, we've had a woefully difficult match. But whenever we've played them at Wexford Park, we've usually nearly always won pretty comfortably (Bar the 2015 League). If they don't quite bring their Corrigan Park form and we start the above XV, I'd be quite hopeful that we'll get the two points next Saturday. They will be coming down thinking they can take our scalp (Which they very much can), we need to be at it from the very start." Hopefully Carty and Reck might be back
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16905 - 23/04/2023 18:16:52
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