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Replying To galwayford:  "FFg govt giving 500,000 to New York GAA at the Bronx Gaelic park redevelopment. GAA putting in 2 million. FFg govt gave IRFU 190 million for Aviva redevelopment in 2007."
The redevelopment of Croke Park was generously supported by the government of the time. It is great to see the development of any sporting infrastructure being supported by the government. Young people participating in sport can only benefit from it.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6145 - 17/03/2023 20:42:27    2464403

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Will he be unveiling a statue to his ancestor who was a supervisor for the English work houses during An Gorta Mór? At a time when you only got relief if you signed over your miserable plot of land, and when they shipped little girls off to Australia.

The fawning media seem to have decided that maybe he was not such a hero now have they?

The usual rent a crowd won't be out protesting Biden you may be sure."
What has his ancestor's actions in a life lived 180 years ago got to do with Joe Biden today? You come across as being extraordinarily bitter.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6145 - 17/03/2023 20:45:34    2464406

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Replying To Greengrass:  "What has his ancestor's actions in a life lived 180 years ago got to do with Joe Biden today? You come across as being extraordinarily bitter."
The man is just stating a fact that's worth knowing, the 'famine' may seem a long time ago to you but some people have longer memories.
You'd be surprised at the local knowledge of the time that has been passed down through the generations. The marks are still on the ground of the potato beds that were never dug
Here's a book for you read if you are fond of reading, it will give you a flavour of the time in Donegal at least and I'm sure the similar stories were repeated all over the country.
http://www.kennys.ie/shop/the-end-of-outrage-post-famine-adjustment-in-rural-ireland?virtuemart_currency_id=47

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3057 - 18/03/2023 11:37:56    2464437

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The man is just stating a fact that's worth knowing, the 'famine' may seem a long time ago to you but some people have longer memories.
You'd be surprised at the local knowledge of the time that has been passed down through the generations. The marks are still on the ground of the potato beds that were never dug
Here's a book for you read if you are fond of reading, it will give you a flavour of the time in Donegal at least and I'm sure the similar stories were repeated all over the country.
None" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kennys.ie/shop/the-end-of-outrage-post-famine-adjustment-in-rural-ireland?virtuemart_currency_id=47"
None of us can be held responsible for what our ancestors may or may not have done a hundred or 175 years ago

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2003 - 18/03/2023 12:17:02    2464448

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The man is just stating a fact that's worth knowing, the 'famine' may seem a long time ago to you but some people have longer memories.
You'd be surprised at the local knowledge of the time that has been passed down through the generations. The marks are still on the ground of the potato beds that were never dug
Here's a book for you read if you are fond of reading, it will give you a flavour of the time in Donegal at least and I'm sure the similar stories were repeated all over the country.
Nobody" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kennys.ie/shop/the-end-of-outrage-post-famine-adjustment-in-rural-ireland?virtuemart_currency_id=47"
Nobody can remember what happened 175 years ago because they weren't there. History is handed down. The people of today can't be held responsible for what their ancestors did 170-180 years ago. Joe Biden us descended from people from Mayo and from Cooley. Should he visit those areas when he comes to Ireland I have no doubt he will be made welcome and rightly so. I have read about the Famine at national and local level. Thanks very much for the link. I'll have a look at that. Atlas of The Great Irish Famine is a marvellous and hugely informative book.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6145 - 18/03/2023 12:37:49    2464453

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Replying To Greengrass:  "What has his ancestor's actions in a life lived 180 years ago got to do with Joe Biden today? You come across as being extraordinarily bitter."
I couldn't care less about the doddery oul get. But if he and others want to make an issue of his Mayo ancestry, well then it's fair to point out that his ancestor was NOT a victim of An Gorta Mór. Quite the opposite.

Which is why they have shut up about that and switched to Louth!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 18/03/2023 21:04:56    2464592

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Ireland. Grand Slam Champions 2023. On and upwards from here until we get knock out of the WC QFs.

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 303 - 18/03/2023 21:06:55    2464594

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The man is just stating a fact that's worth knowing, the 'famine' may seem a long time ago to you but some people have longer memories.
You'd be surprised at the local knowledge of the time that has been passed down through the generations. The marks are still on the ground of the potato beds that were never dug
Here's a book for you read if you are fond of reading, it will give you a flavour of the time in Donegal at least and I'm sure the similar stories were repeated all over the country.
One" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kennys.ie/shop/the-end-of-outrage-post-famine-adjustment-in-rural-ireland?virtuemart_currency_id=47"
One of the truly sad sights still is travelling through Corca Dhuibine, the west Kerry Gaeltacht, and seeing the dead beds you refer to still on the sides of hills and mountains in places you could walk for miles now during the Winter and not meet another person. No one has lived or farmed where the beds lie for 175 years.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 19/03/2023 11:39:34    2464661

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "Ireland. Grand Slam Champions 2023. On and upwards from here until we get knock out of the WC QFs."
Given we'll almost certainly be meeting one of NZ or France in the quarters if we make it that far, it's not that unlikely we'll be knocked out again at the same stage. At the same time, this current group has a better chance than we've ever had at beating either of them at a World Cup.
The top-5 teams in the rankings are all on the same side of the draw and at least one of them won't be making the quarters. It seems a bit farcical, but it's a consequence of doing the draw years in advance.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2210 - 19/03/2023 11:54:12    2464664

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "Ireland. Grand Slam Champions 2023. On and upwards from here until we get knock out of the WC QFs."
Worth noting that Hansen, Lowe, Aki & Gibson Park are all born and bred Australians or New Zealanders. The latter 3 there all New Zealanders, who qualified for Ireland based on international rugby's 3 year residency rule. Hansen played his rugby in Australia until 2020, but was fast tracked into the Irish setup having a mother from Cork.

The last time we had a good soccer team, we'd 'signed' Aldridge, Houghton, Townsend, Cascarino & more to fill in the blanks.

Seems to be a blueprint that works for Ireland.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3907 - 19/03/2023 12:42:02    2464678

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We were in pub in Navan after the match yesterday and someone was remarking on the odd patriotism that had the mostly Dubs there going about Brits getting beaten by a team with an English manger and half the team not Irish?

Wouldn't be a big rugby watcher but I thought that was ironic :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 19/03/2023 13:03:21    2464685

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Worth noting that Hansen, Lowe, Aki & Gibson Park are all born and bred Australians or New Zealanders. The latter 3 there all New Zealanders, who qualified for Ireland based on international rugby's 3 year residency rule. Hansen played his rugby in Australia until 2020, but was fast tracked into the Irish setup having a mother from Cork.

The last time we had a good soccer team, we'd 'signed' Aldridge, Houghton, Townsend, Cascarino & more to fill in the blanks.

Seems to be a blueprint that works for Ireland."
Mack Hansens mother is irish as you mention and cant be listed with the other 3 at all and all international sport has to have residency.
being eligible to play for a country in these modern times cant be limited to where you are born or your parents/grandparents alone
Nearly all countries in most sports use people born elsewhere. its natural in the world we live in and the amount of migration that occurs

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3680 - 19/03/2023 13:33:40    2464701

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "We were in pub in Navan after the match yesterday and someone was remarking on the odd patriotism that had the mostly Dubs there going about Brits getting beaten by a team with an English manger and half the team not Irish?

Wouldn't be a big rugby watcher but I thought that was ironic :-)"
Half the team not Irish?
11 of the starting 15 against England were Irish, and 7 of the 8 substitutes were Irish.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2662 - 19/03/2023 13:36:28    2464704

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Worth noting that Hansen, Lowe, Aki & Gibson Park are all born and bred Australians or New Zealanders. The latter 3 there all New Zealanders, who qualified for Ireland based on international rugby's 3 year residency rule. Hansen played his rugby in Australia until 2020, but was fast tracked into the Irish setup having a mother from Cork.

The last time we had a good soccer team, we'd 'signed' Aldridge, Houghton, Townsend, Cascarino & more to fill in the blanks.

Seems to be a blueprint that works for Ireland."
Definitely works. Rugby esidency rule is changed to 5 years now though so we'll probably see less imports in 7 or 8 years on the national team. Hopefully the bounce from imported players will encourage young players and bring more Irish players on to national team.

Aldridge, Houghton and Townsend had Irish connections to qualify. Cascarino had no blood connection but thankfully we claimed him anyway. The IRFU provincial system setup is so good now that it's easy to attract quality players here. The FAI have allowed the League of Ireland to crumble so far that no decent players, even with Irish connections, would play in the League of Ireland if they had better options.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7702 - 19/03/2023 13:38:36    2464707

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Definitely works. Rugby esidency rule is changed to 5 years now though so we'll probably see less imports in 7 or 8 years on the national team. Hopefully the bounce from imported players will encourage young players and bring more Irish players on to national team.

Aldridge, Houghton and Townsend had Irish connections to qualify. Cascarino had no blood connection but thankfully we claimed him anyway. The IRFU provincial system setup is so good now that it's easy to attract quality players here. The FAI have allowed the League of Ireland to crumble so far that no decent players, even with Irish connections, would play in the League of Ireland if they had better options."
I just wish the penny would drop for Stephen Kenny, so that he'd go out internationally 'like killing fields says there!!', and sign a new squad of players, rather than talking s**** all the time, and playing out from the back ad nauseum, with a bunch of players that seem to be able to trap it farther than they can kick it, to borrow the old Georgie Best gag.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3907 - 19/03/2023 14:23:54    2464715

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "I just wish the penny would drop for Stephen Kenny, so that he'd go out internationally 'like killing fields says there!!', and sign a new squad of players, rather than talking s**** all the time, and playing out from the back ad nauseum, with a bunch of players that seem to be able to trap it farther than they can kick it, to borrow the old Georgie Best gag."
We're long past the time of playing ball to try not to get beaten. Need to start taking on opponents, playing football in their half. Good coaching. We've fairly limited ability in a lot of players but some of them at Premier League clubs now. It'll take time and lots of it for us to improve. We're Ireland, not a Premier League team who some 'fans' think sacking the manager and buying in new players is the answer. Kenny took a League of Ireland team to Europa League group stages well befire the Ireland job. I'd be fairly sure that he's forgotten more about football and coaching it than anyone posting online, here or anywhere else, that he's talking rubbish.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7702 - 19/03/2023 14:40:00    2464719

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Mack Hansens mother is irish as you mention and cant be listed with the other 3 at all and all international sport has to have residency.
being eligible to play for a country in these modern times cant be limited to where you are born or your parents/grandparents alone
Nearly all countries in most sports use people born elsewhere. its natural in the world we live in and the amount of migration that occurs"
Fair play to the IRFU. When they went looking for 4 backs to boost a potential Slam squad, they signed 4 good ones, or certainly 3 good ones & James Lowe.

Just wish Stephen Kenny and FAI would hire a few IRFU scouts, and pull in some decent players, that we might actually have a chance with. And amalgamate the 'two ireland sides' for a start. Fielding one rubbish outfit would be plenty, rather than two squads of also-rans as is currently the case.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3907 - 19/03/2023 14:40:30    2464720

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Surely the entire point of international sport is that the team ought to be made up of people born in the country or of immediate parentage? Difficult to get excited about people who are here for monetary reasons wearing a green jersey.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3226 - 19/03/2023 15:37:40    2464751

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "We're long past the time of playing ball to try not to get beaten. Need to start taking on opponents, playing football in their half. Good coaching. We've fairly limited ability in a lot of players but some of them at Premier League clubs now. It'll take time and lots of it for us to improve. We're Ireland, not a Premier League team who some 'fans' think sacking the manager and buying in new players is the answer. Kenny took a League of Ireland team to Europa League group stages well befire the Ireland job. I'd be fairly sure that he's forgotten more about football and coaching it than anyone posting online, here or anywhere else, that he's talking rubbish."
Our record is surely a very mediocre one, for a team with the arguably fanciful mission statement that you claim they have, in your first line there.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3907 - 19/03/2023 15:39:34    2464753

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Surely the entire point of international sport is that the team ought to be made up of people born in the country or of immediate parentage? Difficult to get excited about people who are here for monetary reasons wearing a green jersey."
Not according to KillingFields no......

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3907 - 19/03/2023 15:43:36    2464755

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