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The One Change That Would Revitialise The Entire Football Championship

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why are we trying to reinvent the wheel when the simple and best answer is already there and working for the ladies and for every county own championship. Senior Intermediate and junoir with proper marketing holiday for all winners and all star selection for each grade with each getting a proper share of tv coverage and promotion. It aint rocket science.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 241 - 22/06/2022 14:34:02    2426855

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "why are we trying to reinvent the wheel when the simple and best answer is already there and working for the ladies and for every county own championship. Senior Intermediate and junoir with proper marketing holiday for all winners and all star selection for each grade with each getting a proper share of tv coverage and promotion. It aint rocket science."
Yeah that format is used in every county in the country for club so why can't it translate to county?
It would be interesting to know what the viewing figures were for last weekend's Tailteann Cup semi finals.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7970 - 22/06/2022 14:44:58    2426859

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Let's gets the 2 tiers up and running first. 3 Tiers will not work. Impossible to make the third tier glamereous and then you will have Dublin sticking in a B team which will probably win the 3rd tier and **** everything up. So let's just stick to 2 and do it right

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1079 - 22/06/2022 14:48:48    2426861

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "why are we trying to reinvent the wheel when the simple and best answer is already there and working for the ladies and for every county own championship. Senior Intermediate and junoir with proper marketing holiday for all winners and all star selection for each grade with each getting a proper share of tv coverage and promotion. It aint rocket science."
Can they not call it the Tailteann Championship instead of the Tailteann Cup?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 22/06/2022 14:57:55    2426867

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Replying To eoinog:  "Let's gets the 2 tiers up and running first. 3 Tiers will not work. Impossible to make the third tier glamereous and then you will have Dublin sticking in a B team which will probably win the 3rd tier and **** everything up. So let's just stick to 2 and do it right"
If there was a third tier, not that I want it, it could be as follows:
All-Ireland Championship: 4 groups of 5 teams each.
Tailteann Championship: 1 group of 8 teams. Top 4 into semi-finals.
Tailteann Conference: 1 group of 5 teams, possibly 6 if Kilkenny ever want to rejoin.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 22/06/2022 15:20:29    2426873

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Replying To eoinog:  "Let's gets the 2 tiers up and running first. 3 Tiers will not work. Impossible to make the third tier glamereous and then you will have Dublin sticking in a B team which will probably win the 3rd tier and **** everything up. So let's just stick to 2 and do it right"
Yeah two tiers is hard enough as it is I suppose to capture the wider public imagination. I liked Eamon McGee's festival of football idea that he spoke about on Darran O'Sullivan's podcast. On All Ireland Final weekend you'd have a fair few teams from all over the country taking part in the Kilmacud 7s. Why not play the Tailteann Cup final at 5 on the Saturday when there is a good GAA buzz around the city? Then have the Tailteann Cup winners as honoured guests the next day in Croke Park? The more we can do to incentivise the Tailteann Cup the better.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7970 - 22/06/2022 15:28:44    2426877

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Replying To legendzxix:  "If there was a third tier, not that I want it, it could be as follows:
All-Ireland Championship: 4 groups of 5 teams each.
Tailteann Championship: 1 group of 8 teams. Top 4 into semi-finals.
Tailteann Conference: 1 group of 5 teams, possibly 6 if Kilkenny ever want to rejoin."
20 for the AI us most unrealistic.
12, 12 and 8 maybe....

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 377 - 22/06/2022 15:48:50    2426882

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah two tiers is hard enough as it is I suppose to capture the wider public imagination. I liked Eamon McGee's festival of football idea that he spoke about on Darran O'Sullivan's podcast. On All Ireland Final weekend you'd have a fair few teams from all over the country taking part in the Kilmacud 7s. Why not play the Tailteann Cup final at 5 on the Saturday when there is a good GAA buzz around the city? Then have the Tailteann Cup winners as honoured guests the next day in Croke Park? The more we can do to incentivise the Tailteann Cup the better."
Incentivisation is great because the Tailteann Cup will succeed if there is buy in from the teams involved. The new format this season is working well. We have had plenty of good contests. We have just had a good weekend of entertaining football in the Tailteann Cup and the previous weekend of qualifier matches was excellent. We also have a blockbuster Sunday approaching. The structures this year were good and highlighted just how awful the structure rejected before Christmas really was. It is very disappointing to think that both the President and the Árd Stiúrthóir both publicly backed that abomination.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5806 - 22/06/2022 16:08:15    2426886

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Incentivisation is great because the Tailteann Cup will succeed if there is buy in from the teams involved. The new format this season is working well. We have had plenty of good contests. We have just had a good weekend of entertaining football in the Tailteann Cup and the previous weekend of qualifier matches was excellent. We also have a blockbuster Sunday approaching. The structures this year were good and highlighted just how awful the structure rejected before Christmas really was. It is very disappointing to think that both the President and the Árd Stiúrthóir both publicly backed that abomination."
As it came from their Committee they had to.
It was an 11th hour backing and they didn't back it with much enthusiasm or conviction.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 377 - 22/06/2022 16:33:11    2426902

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Incentivisation is great because the Tailteann Cup will succeed if there is buy in from the teams involved. The new format this season is working well. We have had plenty of good contests. We have just had a good weekend of entertaining football in the Tailteann Cup and the previous weekend of qualifier matches was excellent. We also have a blockbuster Sunday approaching. The structures this year were good and highlighted just how awful the structure rejected before Christmas really was. It is very disappointing to think that both the President and the Árd Stiúrthóir both publicly backed that abomination."
Yeah taking this year as an example, we know we have Cavan and Westmeath in the TC final. Lets say for arguments sake Cavan won the evening before the All Ireland final. Then, in the All Ireland final it's Armagh vs Dublin. The Cavan lads enjoy a good night out on the Saturday - dinner dance and session. Off to Croke Park the next day as honoured guests and presented to the crowd before the main event where I'm sure their fellow Ulster Gaels from Armagh would give them a rousing reception!

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7970 - 22/06/2022 16:42:59    2426904

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "20 for the AI us most unrealistic.
12, 12 and 8 maybe...."
McStay is talking through his hat. He is throwing out tiered numbers with little consideration.
Counties will not be voting to reduce the Sam Maguire to be less than 16. There are at least 12 competitive counties in the Tailteann Cup.
There will be 7 league games, knockout provincial championships and 3 championship group games next year. The league is an established competition. There is an even balance across the 4 divisions. There is little wiggle room.
If there was some change:
Football could go with divisions containing 2 groups of 4 in the league. This would allow extra games in the football championship. Both the Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cup could go with 2 groups of 8. Top 4 into quarter-finals.
Only the top 5 in both Sam Maguire groups and the Tailteann winner could be guaranteed qualification for the next year. The remaining 5 places could be kept in reserve for provincial winners.
If 1 to 5 places are not filled, the 6th, 7th and 8th teams from the Sam Maguire group can be allocated these. Where there is only 1 place and 2 teams have finished 8th for example, they could play-off or use league ranking or use previous year championship ranking to determine who takes the vacant spot.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 22/06/2022 18:28:16    2426918

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah taking this year as an example, we know we have Cavan and Westmeath in the TC final. Lets say for arguments sake Cavan won the evening before the All Ireland final. Then, in the All Ireland final it's Armagh vs Dublin. The Cavan lads enjoy a good night out on the Saturday - dinner dance and session. Off to Croke Park the next day as honoured guests and presented to the crowd before the main event where I'm sure their fellow Ulster Gaels from Armagh would give them a rousing reception!"
good idea but the Cavan lads would all be still drunk as monkies the next day

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 241 - 22/06/2022 18:39:18    2426919

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "good idea but the Cavan lads would all be still drunk as monkies the next day"
A good fry and a couple of pint bottles to steady the ship and then off to Croker. Back to Cavan in the evening for the homecoming and another rip of pints!

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7970 - 23/06/2022 10:07:11    2426979

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Cavan and Westmeath have a 3pm Saturday final. They'll be able to enjoy their Saturday evening and Sunday. They might catch a bit of the semi-finals as well.
Pairing with the semi-finals has been a sensible decision. The Tailteann final will get more coverage as a result.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 23/06/2022 11:37:03    2427019

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Cavan and Westmeath have a 3pm Saturday final. They'll be able to enjoy their Saturday evening and Sunday. They might catch a bit of the semi-finals as well.
Pairing with the semi-finals has been a sensible decision. The Tailteann final will get more coverage as a result."
Would get more coverage as curtain raiser to the All-Ireland final. That change will come, eventually. There is no curtain raiser at all to this years All-Ireland SFC final (and none for hurling final either), so it's not as if TC would have been stepping on anyone's toes! Could have been curtain raiser to the biggest game of the year, with the TC game ending and presentation happening in front of a full stadium, and supporters and players able to chill and watch the All-Ireland final after. An opportunity lost in my opinion.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 198 - 23/06/2022 14:18:08    2427062

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Would get more coverage as curtain raiser to the All-Ireland final. That change will come, eventually. There is no curtain raiser at all to this years All-Ireland SFC final (and none for hurling final either), so it's not as if TC would have been stepping on anyone's toes! Could have been curtain raiser to the biggest game of the year, with the TC game ending and presentation happening in front of a full stadium, and supporters and players able to chill and watch the All-Ireland final after. An opportunity lost in my opinion."
And each TC finalist only gets 1,500 tickets.....

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 377 - 23/06/2022 15:51:55    2427097

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah two tiers is hard enough as it is I suppose to capture the wider public imagination. I liked Eamon McGee's festival of football idea that he spoke about on Darran O'Sullivan's podcast. On All Ireland Final weekend you'd have a fair few teams from all over the country taking part in the Kilmacud 7s. Why not play the Tailteann Cup final at 5 on the Saturday when there is a good GAA buzz around the city? Then have the Tailteann Cup winners as honoured guests the next day in Croke Park? The more we can do to incentivise the Tailteann Cup the better."
The problem with two tiers is that there are only and will probably always only be 4 teams with a realistic chance of winning the sam maguire so at most there should only be 8 teams competiting for this cup, You then end up with two many teams in the lower grade competition and the aim should be that every county has a realistic chance of winning silverware in croke park in the summer months to reward the super committment their players put in.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 241 - 23/06/2022 20:01:28    2427143

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Would get more coverage as curtain raiser to the All-Ireland final. That change will come, eventually. There is no curtain raiser at all to this years All-Ireland SFC final (and none for hurling final either), so it's not as if TC would have been stepping on anyone's toes! Could have been curtain raiser to the biggest game of the year, with the TC game ending and presentation happening in front of a full stadium, and supporters and players able to chill and watch the All-Ireland final after. An opportunity lost in my opinion."
Any curtain raiser will get drowned out by coverage of the All-Ireland finals. If only All-Ireland finals are being hosted and Croke Park is sold out, the GAA most definitely are not missing out on anything. Only All-Ireland finals means that as many of the 2 counties involved supporters can get tickets.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6834 - 24/06/2022 10:40:46    2427196

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "And each TC finalist only gets 1,500 tickets....."
Why not 10,000 each for TC finalists. Leaves 62,000 tickets for the All Ireland finalists, so 31,000 each. More than fair. Can't see any reason why it couldn't be tried if the primary focus is giving the TC the highest platform possible to ensure the competition becomes a roaring success. If on the other hand the primary focus is maximising ticket sales over different days, then that is a different story (which of course is the real aim).

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 198 - 24/06/2022 12:39:47    2427249

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Playing it before the All Ireland is a non runner.It will never happen nor should it happens. The Longford lad simplistic approach of 20,00 for theT.C competition and the rest for the competing counties in the All Ireland final simply won't work. Every club in the country gets tickets for that day, plus England, USA and Australia. Then you have sponsors. Also every player on the county panel of teams that didn't reach the final are normally looked after also. The competition is strong enough to have it's own day in the sun.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1079 - 24/06/2022 13:01:58    2427255

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