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Penalties kicks.

Leitrim v Mayo was the first competiitive games ever to go to penalties.
Leitrim v Sligo went to penalties yesterday.
Do amateur players who train in the dark winter and spring deserve to exit a competition in this manner.
Leitrim and Sligo have no matches this weekend.
Why wasn't this match after extra time replayed in Markievicz Park at the weekend.
Should it be penalties or 45s
Personally I think it should be 45s.
I am not crying about Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I'm writing this to every County to ask themselves do amateur players deserve this.
This is not sour grapes on Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I wish Sligo the best of luck for their next game against Cavan

leitrimforsam (Leitrim) - Posts: 85 - 06/06/2022 14:53:39    2422795

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Replying To leitrimforsam:  "Penalties kicks.

Leitrim v Mayo was the first competiitive games ever to go to penalties.
Leitrim v Sligo went to penalties yesterday.
Do amateur players who train in the dark winter and spring deserve to exit a competition in this manner.
Leitrim and Sligo have no matches this weekend.
Why wasn't this match after extra time replayed in Markievicz Park at the weekend.
Should it be penalties or 45s
Personally I think it should be 45s.
I am not crying about Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I'm writing this to every County to ask themselves do amateur players deserve this.
This is not sour grapes on Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I wish Sligo the best of luck for their next game against Cavan"
Really not sure what you want here. There is literally no right answer. But all wanted a calendar, and a split season to fot all in. So that they can know what is coming up so they can plan the other parts of their lives accordingly. And all the other stuff about refs playing for draws, so we could get replays, and sure the aul Grab All Association, huh? All they care about is money? We all knew what this meant this year. Finish on the day. Both teams had nearly 100 minutes to win it, and they needed separated somehow. Replays invariably suit the favourites, so the underdog still has a punchers chance in penalties. Not every game has a free gameweek the next week. So what, do we have replays for quarters, but not Round 1 the week before? And what of the players? They knew next weekend was free for them, no matter what. Maybe they have something planned, with their partner, family, maybe go out for a bite, visit a friend. Throw in a replay when not expected, and what does that make of their plans? We have what we have because of the bad mistakes we had in the past. Nothing is ever perfect, but if this is the layout we want to have time for club and county, then just make peace with it. Know it hurts, but need a sense of perspective.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 07/06/2022 07:38:13    2422808

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Replying To leitrimforsam:  "Penalties kicks.

Leitrim v Mayo was the first competiitive games ever to go to penalties.
Leitrim v Sligo went to penalties yesterday.
Do amateur players who train in the dark winter and spring deserve to exit a competition in this manner.
Leitrim and Sligo have no matches this weekend.
Why wasn't this match after extra time replayed in Markievicz Park at the weekend.
Should it be penalties or 45s
Personally I think it should be 45s.
I am not crying about Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I'm writing this to every County to ask themselves do amateur players deserve this.
This is not sour grapes on Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I wish Sligo the best of luck for their next game against Cavan"
I personally think that penalties are a harsh way to decide a tie, which seems to flow from the GAA's decision to cram as many games as possible into a three month season.

Always seems kinda "ungaelic" to me to settle things that way. Ideally the game would go to a replay but if not, perhaps a 45 taking or free taking competition would be better.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 07/06/2022 08:48:53    2422825

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Replying To leitrimforsam:  "Penalties kicks.

Leitrim v Mayo was the first competiitive games ever to go to penalties.
Leitrim v Sligo went to penalties yesterday.
Do amateur players who train in the dark winter and spring deserve to exit a competition in this manner.
Leitrim and Sligo have no matches this weekend.
Why wasn't this match after extra time replayed in Markievicz Park at the weekend.
Should it be penalties or 45s
Personally I think it should be 45s.
I am not crying about Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I'm writing this to every County to ask themselves do amateur players deserve this.
This is not sour grapes on Leitrim's fate yesterday.
I wish Sligo the best of luck for their next game against Cavan"
I agree! Don't know why the GAA felt the need to dispense with replays. A replay of Sunday's Munster final would have been a better solution, than the extra time played. There have been many excellent replays of All Ireland finals in the past. Sometimes, the GAA implements change to feel important, to the detriment of the game!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 07/06/2022 09:19:58    2422832

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Replying To Rockies:  "I agree! Don't know why the GAA felt the need to dispense with replays. A replay of Sunday's Munster final would have been a better solution, than the extra time played. There have been many excellent replays of All Ireland finals in the past. Sometimes, the GAA implements change to feel important, to the detriment of the game!"
Can't stand draws tbh. However exciting the game might be, I've always felt a little bit of a flat atmosphere leaving a game after a draw from the crowd, a general sense of frustration.
Should be decided on the day imo.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 07/06/2022 09:46:54    2422843

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Who would want to finish a game by kicking 45 ... The art of kicking the ball off the ground is dead. Goalies nearly take all 45 metre kicks now. I would love to see the kick off the ground return because it's a beautiful art in itself. Mikey Sheehy, Matt Connor, Brian Stafford, Colin Corkery the list is endless of exceptional place kickers. You can't now ask a player to take a 45 in front of thousands of people with massive pressure on his shoulders, and the poor lad may not have kicked a ball off the ground since he was under 14. Would Tadgh Furlong kick a conversion ?

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2100 - 07/06/2022 09:55:57    2422851

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Penalties are harsh but a form of tie break is required. With winner on the day, the fixture schedule is very clear and can be performed within a clearly defined timescale.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8788 - 07/06/2022 10:05:34    2422861

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Penalties are harsh - in Soccer they kind of make sense because scores are so hard to come by.

In GAA - we have a much higher scoring game. Why not take a leaf out of NFL and play a version of next score wins? Throw the ball in and next score wins the game. We'd probably have a winner quicker than a penalty shootout. For added drama if a team scores a point the other team could get a final kickout from which they need to score a goal.

Or if we want a different type of drama - how about an old fashioned game of backs v forwards. Get a midfielder to play that ball inside the 45 with 6 backs and 6 forwards; use a 30 second shot clock with the defending team winning if the ball goes dead or back outside the 45. Play it out 3 times each before sudden death.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 439 - 07/06/2022 10:30:03    2422880

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Leitrim v Sligo was NOT the 1st competitive match to go to penalties.
It wasn't the first Inter County SFC game to go to penalties either, Clare v Limerick was.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2296 - 07/06/2022 11:25:22    2422917

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Replying To brianb:  "Penalties are harsh - in Soccer they kind of make sense because scores are so hard to come by.

In GAA - we have a much higher scoring game. Why not take a leaf out of NFL and play a version of next score wins? Throw the ball in and next score wins the game. We'd probably have a winner quicker than a penalty shootout. For added drama if a team scores a point the other team could get a final kickout from which they need to score a goal.

Or if we want a different type of drama - how about an old fashioned game of backs v forwards. Get a midfielder to play that ball inside the 45 with 6 backs and 6 forwards; use a 30 second shot clock with the defending team winning if the ball goes dead or back outside the 45. Play it out 3 times each before sudden death."
You'd rather those options than penalties, where at least you have 5 goes between kicking and saving to make a difference? No harm, they're madcap solutions...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 07/06/2022 11:26:59    2422918

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Replying To brianb:  "Penalties are harsh - in Soccer they kind of make sense because scores are so hard to come by.

In GAA - we have a much higher scoring game. Why not take a leaf out of NFL and play a version of next score wins? Throw the ball in and next score wins the game. We'd probably have a winner quicker than a penalty shootout. For added drama if a team scores a point the other team could get a final kickout from which they need to score a goal.

Or if we want a different type of drama - how about an old fashioned game of backs v forwards. Get a midfielder to play that ball inside the 45 with 6 backs and 6 forwards; use a 30 second shot clock with the defending team winning if the ball goes dead or back outside the 45. Play it out 3 times each before sudden death."
And what do you suggest if there's a gale blowing. The team who plays with it, surely wins. Your idea of backs v Forwards is so off the wall that I can't think of a reply

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 2100 - 07/06/2022 11:39:53    2422927

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Leitrim v Sligo was NOT the 1st competitive match to go to penalties.
It wasn't the first Inter County SFC game to go to penalties either, Clare v Limerick was."
Leitrim v Mayo they said. It happened back in the FBD league in 2019

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 07/06/2022 12:10:42    2422953

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Saw a suggestion before that the team with more goals wins. So if the score is 1-15 to 18 points, the team with the goal wins.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 07/06/2022 12:29:44    2422966

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Replying To Rockies:  "I agree! Don't know why the GAA felt the need to dispense with replays. A replay of Sunday's Munster final would have been a better solution, than the extra time played. There have been many excellent replays of All Ireland finals in the past. Sometimes, the GAA implements change to feel important, to the detriment of the game!"
The sensible solution is penalties after a replay and extra time. That way the penalty shootout might occur once in every 10 games.

Maggiepie (Sligo) - Posts: 233 - 07/06/2022 13:10:36    2422997

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Saw a suggestion before that the team with more goals wins. So if the score is 1-15 to 18 points, the team with the goal wins."
There won't be much talk about penalties or changing the format until the Dubs or Kerry get knocked out by them in a big match on TV.Until then we can forget about it.

masseyferguson (Leitrim) - Posts: 112 - 07/06/2022 13:15:49    2423002

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Replying To Rockies:  "I agree! Don't know why the GAA felt the need to dispense with replays. A replay of Sunday's Munster final would have been a better solution, than the extra time played. There have been many excellent replays of All Ireland finals in the past. Sometimes, the GAA implements change to feel important, to the detriment of the game!"
No more time. Do you people bother to read the articles detailing the changes and why they were made. Replays are out due to split season which is what the clubs wanted.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 07/06/2022 13:27:03    2423012

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Really not sure what you want here. There is literally no right answer. But all wanted a calendar, and a split season to fot all in. So that they can know what is coming up so they can plan the other parts of their lives accordingly. And all the other stuff about refs playing for draws, so we could get replays, and sure the aul Grab All Association, huh? All they care about is money? We all knew what this meant this year. Finish on the day. Both teams had nearly 100 minutes to win it, and they needed separated somehow. Replays invariably suit the favourites, so the underdog still has a punchers chance in penalties. Not every game has a free gameweek the next week. So what, do we have replays for quarters, but not Round 1 the week before? And what of the players? They knew next weekend was free for them, no matter what. Maybe they have something planned, with their partner, family, maybe go out for a bite, visit a friend. Throw in a replay when not expected, and what does that make of their plans? We have what we have because of the bad mistakes we had in the past. Nothing is ever perfect, but if this is the layout we want to have time for club and county, then just make peace with it. Know it hurts, but need a sense of perspective."
Simple question.
WHICH would be better.
Penalties or 45s

I think 45s would take the pot luck away

leitrimforsam (Leitrim) - Posts: 85 - 07/06/2022 13:28:55    2423014

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I reckon if the teams are level AET a next score wins is the best solution. Coin toss to decide which goals to attack into (might be a strong wind advantage).

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9762 - 07/06/2022 13:37:16    2423023

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Replying To leitrimforsam:  "Simple question.
WHICH would be better.
Penalties or 45s

I think 45s would take the pot luck away"
Penalties. They already tried frees from outside the D and players didn't like it. 45s is a very rare skill, and you're essentially handing the game to a team with a good placed ball kicker. Most of the kicks would be missed. At least most players can take a decent penalty, and with that and the keeper, you have you chances to either score or save in each. It's not perfect, but it's the best of the lot since we've ruled out replays.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 07/06/2022 13:52:50    2423032

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Some posters must have short memories. They tried free kicks/45s for a while and it was terrible. Shootouts regularly finished 1-0 or 2-1 after multiple kicks.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1677 - 07/06/2022 14:13:25    2423042

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