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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Legendzxix, I'd say you'd love if it were Cork that were 5th in Munster, and ye boys winning the Joe!

An analysis of your many posts seems to indicate that you wouldn't ever have too much of an endearment towards anything Leeside!"
It would be entertaining to host Cork in the All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-final or to challenge them in a relegation-promotion playoff in Limerick! A Kerryman can dream! ;-)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8162 - 08/04/2022 14:08:29    2410253

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Legendzxix, I'd say you'd love if it were Cork that were 5th in Munster, and ye boys winning the Joe!

An analysis of your many posts seems to indicate that you wouldn't ever have too much of an endearment towards anything Leeside!"
Good morning Mr Young. Did you go to a game yesterday? I was lucky- the team I follow had their opening game live on telly over here. And we got a win too! As games go it was still miles behind an under 11 game of hurling for excitement though!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 08/04/2022 14:12:15    2410255

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Replying To Viking66:  "Oh so they have changed it. Not really fair that you have to play off though."
It is extremely fair that there is a play-off. And a double-off/round robin of whatever way you call it, is a good way to go. It allows a better chance for balance, so that we don't get pigeon-shoots in the league above.

If a lower county (Westmeath) can beat a higher county (slightly lightly), let's say Wexford, two times on the trot, then it's not just a once off; that county proves that it can compete with the worst of the best anyway.

Hammerings could ensue, but they do anyway!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2069 - 08/04/2022 14:34:36    2410262

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Replying To legendzxix:  "It would be entertaining to host Cork in the All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-final or to challenge them in a relegation-promotion playoff in Limerick! A Kerryman can dream! ;-)"
I love your pure 'true' Kerry answer, where it's better than the question I asked, but still doesn't really tell me what you think. Kudos! Keep dreaming. Hope it comes true.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2069 - 08/04/2022 14:40:44    2410263

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "It is extremely fair that there is a play-off. And a double-off/round robin of whatever way you call it, is a good way to go. It allows a better chance for balance, so that we don't get pigeon-shoots in the league above.

If a lower county (Westmeath) can beat a higher county (slightly lightly), let's say Wexford, two times on the trot, then it's not just a once off; that county proves that it can compete with the worst of the best anyway.

Hammerings could ensue, but they do anyway!"
That would probably make the Liam McCarthy a closed shop in time tho. Is there a playoff between the bottom county in Leinster and the Joe Mac winners?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 08/04/2022 14:43:19    2410265

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Replying To Viking66:  "Good morning Mr Young. Did you go to a game yesterday? I was lucky- the team I follow had their opening game live on telly over here. And we got a win too! As games go it was still miles behind an under 11 game of hurling for excitement though!!!"
No, I didn't go to a game yesterday. I went surfing, actually. But thank you for asking.

I don't really get the rest of your comment! Did I watch baseball live? Did you see it on TV?

I dunno really what you're on about. Please explain. But I did have a thoroughly enjoyable part few days, without even the thought of hurling entering my head.

If you thought about me. Well then, all I can say is 'Thank you'!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2069 - 08/04/2022 14:55:26    2410269

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Replying To Viking66:  "That would probably make the Liam McCarthy a closed shop in time tho. Is there a playoff between the bottom county in Leinster and the Joe Mac winners?"
It's a closed shop irrespective of whether the play-off is versus Munster or Leinster losers. I'm a bit surprised that posters mention Munster. Traditionally, it was a play-off in Leinster!

Play-offs usually just reveal the results, not the investment.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2069 - 08/04/2022 15:24:25    2410275

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "No, I didn't go to a game yesterday. I went surfing, actually. But thank you for asking.

I don't really get the rest of your comment! Did I watch baseball live? Did you see it on TV?

I dunno really what you're on about. Please explain. But I did have a thoroughly enjoyable part few days, without even the thought of hurling entering my head.

If you thought about me. Well then, all I can say is 'Thank you'!"
Did think about you for a second while Nico homered for the 1st time in 2 years off the NL Cy Young winner. Was a little surprised tbh. The rest of the post was just a statement of fact. Tried surfing once. Didnt go well. Was a bit like the line out of Christy Moores song only it was half a case of Budweiser rather than 40 pints of stout. And I didnt stay up on the surfboard for more than a split second in about 20 attempts!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 08/04/2022 15:55:03    2410280

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Replying To Viking66:  "Oh so they have changed it. Not really fair that you have to play off though."
The format for the promotion of the winner of the Joe McDonagh Cup is odd.
Basically, the winner is good enough to play in the Leinster Championship, but not the Munster.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2643 - 08/04/2022 16:00:14    2410282

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Just read your blog..
Super stuff, well done.
A lot of bad memories you've written about there which have been subsequently wiped away big time in the last few years..
There were times when I never thought I'd see Limerick win one let alone 3 all Irelands in 4 years.

When I think back to the horrible beatings and heart breaking losses along the way, makes these days all the better. Luimneach Abu!!

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1103 - 08/04/2022 16:38:13    2410290

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If Kerry win the McDonagh Cup, there is a playoff as previously mentioned.
If any other county wins the McDonagh Cup, the 6th placed team in Leinster is automatically relegated and the McDonagh winner takes their place.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8162 - 08/04/2022 16:57:33    2410293

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The format for the promotion of the winner of the Joe McDonagh Cup is odd.
Basically, the winner is good enough to play in the Leinster Championship, but not the Munster."
Munster is seriously strong.

What Joe McDonagh team is going to beat a Munster team?

Let's say Kerry win the Joe McDonagh this year, they would have a chance of beating maybe Laois or say Westmeath in the Leinster championship.

But they wouldn't win a game in Munster.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 792 - 08/04/2022 20:54:39    2410311

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Munster is seriously strong.

What Joe McDonagh team is going to beat a Munster team?

Let's say Kerry win the Joe McDonagh this year, they would have a chance of beating maybe Laois or say Westmeath in the Leinster championship.

But they wouldn't win a game in Munster."
No but they are a Munster county. That's like saying Waterford shouldn't play in the Munster football championship any more.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 08/04/2022 22:01:10    2410323

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The format for the promotion of the winner of the Joe McDonagh Cup is odd.
Basically, the winner is good enough to play in the Leinster Championship, but not the Munster."
Correct. You got that right. The winner is good enough to hurl in Leinster, but not in Munster.

Leinster hurling is a go-to-round-up for any stray cats; Galway and Antrim spring to mind. You might even be sending over London or Warwickshire in the future. On the other hand, Munster hurling has a thoroughbred pedigree to it.

So, fire Kerry hurlers into Leinster. Bar Kilkenny and Dublin, they'll be with teams of about their own level; actually, quite a few that Kerry would fancy beating. That would never happen in Munster. Kerry would be walloped.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2069 - 09/04/2022 09:37:29    2410330

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Correct. You got that right. The winner is good enough to hurl in Leinster, but not in Munster.

Leinster hurling is a go-to-round-up for any stray cats; Galway and Antrim spring to mind. You might even be sending over London or Warwickshire in the future. On the other hand, Munster hurling has a thoroughbred pedigree to it.

So, fire Kerry hurlers into Leinster. Bar Kilkenny and Dublin, they'll be with teams of about their own level; actually, quite a few that Kerry would fancy beating. That would never happen in Munster. Kerry would be walloped."
Mate. Just give up.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3048 - 09/04/2022 10:39:22    2410337

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Correct. You got that right. The winner is good enough to hurl in Leinster, but not in Munster.

Leinster hurling is a go-to-round-up for any stray cats; Galway and Antrim spring to mind. You might even be sending over London or Warwickshire in the future. On the other hand, Munster hurling has a thoroughbred pedigree to it.

So, fire Kerry hurlers into Leinster. Bar Kilkenny and Dublin, they'll be with teams of about their own level; actually, quite a few that Kerry would fancy beating. That would never happen in Munster. Kerry would be walloped."
I'd fancy Galway and Wexford against Kerry too tbh. Maybe only on heavy ground though........

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 09/04/2022 10:55:33    2410339

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Correct. You got that right. The winner is good enough to hurl in Leinster, but not in Munster.

Leinster hurling is a go-to-round-up for any stray cats; Galway and Antrim spring to mind. You might even be sending over London or Warwickshire in the future. On the other hand, Munster hurling has a thoroughbred pedigree to it.

So, fire Kerry hurlers into Leinster. Bar Kilkenny and Dublin, they'll be with teams of about their own level; actually, quite a few that Kerry would fancy beating. That would never happen in Munster. Kerry would be walloped."
Seriously though our championship aggregate points for and against teams outside the top 9 would be better than most of the rest of the top 9s over the last few years. Using Laois as an example last year we beat them by 20 odd points. Waterford only scraped by them a couple of weeks later. And Dublin lost to them in 2019 and Tipp didnt hammer them that year either. That year we beat Carlow by more in the Round Robin than Kilkenny, Galway or Dublin did also. In the League we have played mainly in div 1a the last 5 years so havent played many of the counties outside of the top 9. In fact we only played Offaly this year and that was with a mainly 2nd team. Last year we drew in Antrim but Clare lost in Antrim the same year. And we beat Laois by 19 points. Which was more than Dublin, Kilkenny or Clare beat them by. So overall we probably have a better record against the teams we have played outside the top 9 over the last 5 years than most of the other top 9 counties if not all of them.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 09/04/2022 11:15:15    2410344

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Replying To Viking66:  "Seriously though our championship aggregate points for and against teams outside the top 9 would be better than most of the rest of the top 9s over the last few years. Using Laois as an example last year we beat them by 20 odd points. Waterford only scraped by them a couple of weeks later. And Dublin lost to them in 2019 and Tipp didnt hammer them that year either. That year we beat Carlow by more in the Round Robin than Kilkenny, Galway or Dublin did also. In the League we have played mainly in div 1a the last 5 years so havent played many of the counties outside of the top 9. In fact we only played Offaly this year and that was with a mainly 2nd team. Last year we drew in Antrim but Clare lost in Antrim the same year. And we beat Laois by 19 points. Which was more than Dublin, Kilkenny or Clare beat them by. So overall we probably have a better record against the teams we have played outside the top 9 over the last 5 years than most of the other top 9 counties if not all of them."
Well researched and quite insightful! Personally, when the gap goes beyond 7 points, definitely 10, I kind of switch out. That game is no longer relevant.

I'd say the bigger counties think likewise; no point in a total massacre, nor total humiliation.

But that's just a bunch! I could be wrong.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2069 - 09/04/2022 11:55:13    2410350

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Replying To Viking66:  "No but they are a Munster county. That's like saying Waterford shouldn't play in the Munster football championship any more."
Uh ! Uh! Viking66 be careful now. There are already a few strays from other provinces in the Leinster hurling championship. Actually the whole championship is badly set up in hurling and football but that is a complete other subject.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2853 - 09/04/2022 14:06:40    2410366

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Well researched and quite insightful! Personally, when the gap goes beyond 7 points, definitely 10, I kind of switch out. That game is no longer relevant.

I'd say the bigger counties think likewise; no point in a total massacre, nor total humiliation.

But that's just a bunch! I could be wrong."
*hunch

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 09/04/2022 15:09:42    2410372

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