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Replying To tiobraid:  "i was disappointed in 2019 he didnt try to introduce players. The All Ireland vindicated all his calls but its amazing that in 2021 he was still sticking to his tried and trusted. Equally as frustrating was that he made no real effort to address our issues of finding a regular number 3 & 4 and selecting so many from the North division in the panel. Also chopping and changing at centre back when Ronan Maher should be there since 2016.
Sheedy introduced young players in the past - albeit they were all players he managed at minor. Mark Kehoe for example should be a seasoned inter county player at this stage. The like of Ger Browne, Colin English, Craig Morgan and Cian Darcy should have been developed better and quicker. Robert Byrne got the most chances and he wasnt the underage player the others were but was lucky enough with the club he was from. He has got many chances which has stood to him it seems this year - the others are lagging.
Tipp were excellent in first half against Limerick but ran out of steam and fitness seems to be a major issue the last couple of years. Bonnar does need time but I think its critical we get out of Munster this year for the development of the team but the other counties are in the same boat."
Excellent points. I think sheedy right or wrong was a bit selfish in 20 and 21 and the excuse of shortened seasons can be put out there but it's deflection for me. He made no effort at all to develop potential inside the county. Tipp won 2 u21s in short succession and some of those very promising lads may never play senior inter County. The question I'd ask is was the AI in 19 worth losing cahill and the future senior team he would have built for the next 10 years if they went for him rather than sheedy?

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 06/04/2022 21:59:48    2410055

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Find it interesting that many are going for Clare to come out of Munster. They lack fire power. SOD and Peter Duggan are back after very long layoffs and will hardly be at the pitch of Championship hurling. Aidan McCarthy hasn't pucked a ball in the league. I believe he's recovering from a leg break. Midfield is also a concern with Colm Galvin forced to retire through injury.
I fancy Waterford, Limerick and Cork.
In Leinster, I'm going for Kilkenny, Galway and Wexford. The only reason I'm going for Wexford over Dublin is their match is in Wexford.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1462 - 07/04/2022 08:57:45    2410060

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Replying To daveboy:  "Excellent points. I think sheedy right or wrong was a bit selfish in 20 and 21 and the excuse of shortened seasons can be put out there but it's deflection for me. He made no effort at all to develop potential inside the county. Tipp won 2 u21s in short succession and some of those very promising lads may never play senior inter County. The question I'd ask is was the AI in 19 worth losing cahill and the future senior team he would have built for the next 10 years if they went for him rather than sheedy?"
Its hard to come out and state that we'd have been better taking the hit in 2019 given we won an All Ireland but I think had Cahill got the job then we would be realistic contenders this year and for years to come. Its hard to know how things would have materialised but I feel Cahill should have got the job. He encorages his teams to go for the jugular every time and if theres a sniff of a goal to go for it which is similair to Eamon O'Sheas style. I think we def missed a trick and I agree some of these players have already slipped through the net unfortunately. Its hard to say wed be matching the machine that is Limerick but we havent give ourselves the best chance to do so in my opinion.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 07/04/2022 09:48:20    2410066

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Replying To Ban:  "Find it interesting that many are going for Clare to come out of Munster. They lack fire power. SOD and Peter Duggan are back after very long layoffs and will hardly be at the pitch of Championship hurling. Aidan McCarthy hasn't pucked a ball in the league. I believe he's recovering from a leg break. Midfield is also a concern with Colm Galvin forced to retire through injury.
I fancy Waterford, Limerick and Cork.
In Leinster, I'm going for Kilkenny, Galway and Wexford. The only reason I'm going for Wexford over Dublin is their match is in Wexford."
I'd have to agree with you. I think its become popular for people to dismiss Cork and Tipp. Clare will be far from a walkover but on current form they're 5th in Munster but very little between the bottom 3.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 07/04/2022 09:49:48    2410069

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Replying To WEX98:  "Waterford could potentially play Limerick 3 times in this years championship, can Limerick beat them 3 times? Can Waterford beat Limerick once, the day it accounts?"
Its highly likely in my opinion. Limerick are likely to improve as the year goes on but I dont think they have the panel Waterford have either. When Waterford get a run on a team they wont be stopped but they havent really looked like doing that to Limerick yet. Limerick from 1-9 are so strong that its hard to see Waterford getting 3 goals against them which they might need. Although Limerick were one of the lowest scorers in the League and will really miss the 4-5 points Caseys gets day in day out. I expect Waterford to push them this year but Limerick to do it. No one else are realistic contenders in my opinion.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 07/04/2022 09:53:46    2410071

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "God bless your eyesight Wexico. It should of course read, CLARE 2-21 VS. TIPP 1-20…CLARE WIN!

Please check the rest of the results for me as well, like a good fella."
Shame you are so bad on predictions Mr Young I couldve made a fortune from Paddy Power off a 1 euro bet predicting that many scores !

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 07/04/2022 10:25:25    2410078

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Replying To Canuck:  "Nothing against Tipp or Cork and admire their hurling but they have enough until the next century. Cork has 259 clubs and Waterford has 50 We will only come around about every 30 years and often someone else is peaking also at that time. Take out that great Kilkenny team and we would have a few probably. if we are lucky enough to get to a final again and had to face them they would give me fits. Clare and Limerick some what the same but they have had more success than us."
Imagine what it was like being in the same provenance as them before the back door.

The 90s were torture but eventually got there

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3046 - 07/04/2022 10:37:14    2410082

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its hard to come out and state that we'd have been better taking the hit in 2019 given we won an All Ireland but I think had Cahill got the job then we would be realistic contenders this year and for years to come. Its hard to know how things would have materialised but I feel Cahill should have got the job. He encorages his teams to go for the jugular every time and if theres a sniff of a goal to go for it which is similair to Eamon O'Sheas style. I think we def missed a trick and I agree some of these players have already slipped through the net unfortunately. Its hard to say wed be matching the machine that is Limerick but we havent give ourselves the best chance to do so in my opinion."
im not so sure eamon o shea is the great manager/coach that lots of people give him credit for.....he has came up against paul kinnerk for the last 4 years and has just been blown away tactically....he had been involved with tipp for 10 years at least as coach and manager and in my opinion hasnt had the success he should have had with that brilliant tipp team .

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1130 - 07/04/2022 11:36:52    2410100

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My prediction is for Cork and Wexford to be visiting the McDonagh Cup's finest in the Preliminary Quarter-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8162 - 07/04/2022 12:35:30    2410116

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I'd have to agree with you. I think its become popular for people to dismiss Cork and Tipp. Clare will be far from a walkover but on current form they're 5th in Munster but very little between the bottom 3."
I don't really know about that, the form you are referring to is league form and if there is one thing we all know is that league form can be very deceptive. Take 2021 for example. Everyone was talking up Galway as being Limericks biggest challengers at the end of the league and what happened..... Galway lost the first round championship game to Dublin and lost their qualifier to Waterford.

Waterford were hugely tipped against Clare in the first round of the championship last year mainly due to the good form in the league and annihilation of Tipp in the last round but Clare beat them by 4 points.

I pay no heed to league form as every year it is proven an inaccurate barometer.

Cork, Limerick and Waterford are hugely tipped to come out of Munster but I bet that one of them wont and I would except Clare to take that third spot. Tipperary I think are going to struggle this year because of an enforced rebuilding job that should have been started a couple of years ago. Tipperary are down a lot of quality and experience this year due to retirements and with Callinan possibly missing the first two rounds I think they will find it tough.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2676 - 07/04/2022 14:36:43    2410155

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its highly likely in my opinion. Limerick are likely to improve as the year goes on but I dont think they have the panel Waterford have either. When Waterford get a run on a team they wont be stopped but they havent really looked like doing that to Limerick yet. Limerick from 1-9 are so strong that its hard to see Waterford getting 3 goals against them which they might need. Although Limerick were one of the lowest scorers in the League and will really miss the 4-5 points Caseys gets day in day out. I expect Waterford to push them this year but Limerick to do it. No one else are realistic contenders in my opinion."
It is good to have strong panel. The way I see the Waterford panel is their system is not weakened by changes of personnel. However collectively you still need to be better than the sum parts of the opposition. If you you are on top those substitutes will drive the nails in the coffin. We have seen the subs come on for Waterford and add scores. Backs come on and hold the fort. Rarely do subs turn a game that is going away from you around. Stats if examined will show that. When the ball drops in Walsh Park and Limerick we better have improved from last year or only the bridesmaids again. I think it has with DeBurca, the Dalys, Kiley, Monty and a more experienced Hutchison. The return to form of Curran, Dunford and the engines of Pendergast and D. Lyons. Time will tell.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2853 - 07/04/2022 14:57:25    2410159

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "I don't really know about that, the form you are referring to is league form and if there is one thing we all know is that league form can be very deceptive. Take 2021 for example. Everyone was talking up Galway as being Limericks biggest challengers at the end of the league and what happened..... Galway lost the first round championship game to Dublin and lost their qualifier to Waterford.

Waterford were hugely tipped against Clare in the first round of the championship last year mainly due to the good form in the league and annihilation of Tipp in the last round but Clare beat them by 4 points.

I pay no heed to league form as every year it is proven an inaccurate barometer.

Cork, Limerick and Waterford are hugely tipped to come out of Munster but I bet that one of them wont and I would except Clare to take that third spot. Tipperary I think are going to struggle this year because of an enforced rebuilding job that should have been started a couple of years ago. Tipperary are down a lot of quality and experience this year due to retirements and with Callinan possibly missing the first two rounds I think they will find it tough."
Not just league form but also last years championship. I think its debatable that Clare are stronger this year given their issues. I'd fully agree that Clare will be a different animal come champiosnhip but I'd expect Clare, Tipp and Cork all to take points off each other. Absolutely no argument that Tipp are down a lot of quality and experience and I do think we will find it tough. My hope is that we can do something similiar to 2009 when new blood was introduced and they play with freedom and see where it takes us.

Nothing against Clare but it does surprise me that so many have them above Cork in particular. Should be a great cship.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/04/2022 09:04:08    2410207

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A look forward to the Limerick v Cork clash:

http://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/04/limerick-versus-cork.html?m=1

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 08/04/2022 09:26:37    2410208

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A look forward to the Limerick v Cork clash:

http://limerickhurling.blogspot.com/2022/04/limerick-versus-cork.html?m=1

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 08/04/2022 09:27:36    2410210

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If Wexford beat Galway at home and Galway beat Kilkenny at home, Wexford could go into the final round on 8 points, with Galway and Kilkenny on 6 points.
Dublin will need to beat Wexford away or Kilkenny at home if they are to travel to Galway on final day, being in the hunt for a Leinster final.
Laois v Westmeath on the final day is sensible scheduling. It'll essentially be a relegation final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8162 - 08/04/2022 09:43:24    2410213

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Replying To legendzxix:  "If Wexford beat Galway at home and Galway beat Kilkenny at home, Wexford could go into the final round on 8 points, with Galway and Kilkenny on 6 points.
Dublin will need to beat Wexford away or Kilkenny at home if they are to travel to Galway on final day, being in the hunt for a Leinster final.
Laois v Westmeath on the final day is sensible scheduling. It'll essentially be a relegation final."
Maybe Kerry will be in Leinster next year too.........mad.......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 08/04/2022 10:30:19    2410221

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Replying To Viking66:  "Maybe Kerry will be in Leinster next year too.........mad......."
We can't enter Leinster! If we win the McDonagh, a relegation promotion playoff is pencilled in against the 5th team from the Munster Championship.

25.06.2022 (Sat)
Relegation Play-Off (If required*)
Joe McDonagh Cup Winner v 5th Placed Team Munster group
*If Ciarraí win the Joe McDonagh Cup, they shall playoff against the bottom team in the
Munster Championship 'round-robin' at a neutral Munster venue determined by the CCCC.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8162 - 08/04/2022 11:47:38    2410229

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Replying To legendzxix:  "We can't enter Leinster! If we win the McDonagh, a relegation promotion playoff is pencilled in against the 5th team from the Munster Championship.

25.06.2022 (Sat)
Relegation Play-Off (If required*)
Joe McDonagh Cup Winner v 5th Placed Team Munster group
*If Ciarraí win the Joe McDonagh Cup, they shall playoff against the bottom team in the
Munster Championship 'round-robin' at a neutral Munster venue determined by the CCCC."
Oh so they have changed it. Not really fair that you have to play off though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13346 - 08/04/2022 12:48:34    2410241

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Replying To legendzxix:  "We can't enter Leinster! If we win the McDonagh, a relegation promotion playoff is pencilled in against the 5th team from the Munster Championship.

25.06.2022 (Sat)
Relegation Play-Off (If required*)
Joe McDonagh Cup Winner v 5th Placed Team Munster group
*If Ciarraí win the Joe McDonagh Cup, they shall playoff against the bottom team in the
Munster Championship 'round-robin' at a neutral Munster venue determined by the CCCC."
Legendzxix, I'd say you'd love if it were Cork that were 5th in Munster, and ye boys winning the Joe!

An analysis of your many posts seems to indicate that you wouldn't ever have too much of an endearment towards anything Leeside!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2069 - 08/04/2022 13:39:04    2410250

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Replying To Viking66:  "Oh so they have changed it. Not really fair that you have to play off though."
Agreed. My humble opinion is that Munster or Leinster should have a 6th team depending on the McDonagh winner. The 6th placed team in the 6 championship is always relegated. The McDonagh winner is always promoted.
If Kerry were to some how win the McDonagh this year, my humble suggestion would mean a 6 team Munster championship next year and a 5 team Leinster championship. The GAA might get there eventually. They make it up as they go along. If there's a media backlash against the unfairness on Kerry, something along the lines of my suggestion might be the compromise agreement.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8162 - 08/04/2022 14:06:04    2410252

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