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Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 21/03/2022 20:36:01    2406335

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I know the topic is Shane Mcguigan but the conversation seems to have morphed into officials/referring etc and probably rightly so.

There are lots of issues in GAA with this topic and when you point one out the usual retort is what about.... and it is usually a fair enough point.

Bit of a chicken and egg situation. Refs get abuse because they make bad decisions or refs getting abuse mean we do not have good refs and that's why we get bad decisions??

To tackle this the GAA need to start with transparency
*acknowledge mistakes
*proper dialogue with team mgt (i.e. official channels after every game)
*sanctions consistently applied i.e. if the sanction is move the ball forward 13 meters then it should not be 30 meters!
*full transparency with disciplinary process i.e. charges and verdicts/suspensions etc published weekly
*zero tolerance with abusing officials
*Umpires .......need i say more
*I think suspensions could be more clear cut. I love the rugby model. Suspension range, is offence high medium or low in severity, reduction for accepting charges, reduction or increase for past history. Reduction for accepting the charges is important. It might reduce the appeals if they realise it will mean a longer suspension.

It's easy see why Shane Mcguigan was frustrated. I would nearly give a player a pass on anything said in the heat of the moment going off the pitch but if he carried it on he deserves a suspension

I see someone said you can't compare to rugby but of course u can. We should be open enough to take learnings from wherever we can get them. I saw Bundee having a go at a ref after a last minute try against Connacht. He came back and apologised and issued an apology publicly even though there probably was a mistake. It is culture

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 23/03/2022 10:56:14    2406630

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Replying To Mayonman:  "I know the topic is Shane Mcguigan but the conversation seems to have morphed into officials/referring etc and probably rightly so.

There are lots of issues in GAA with this topic and when you point one out the usual retort is what about.... and it is usually a fair enough point.

Bit of a chicken and egg situation. Refs get abuse because they make bad decisions or refs getting abuse mean we do not have good refs and that's why we get bad decisions??

To tackle this the GAA need to start with transparency
*acknowledge mistakes
*proper dialogue with team mgt (i.e. official channels after every game)
*sanctions consistently applied i.e. if the sanction is move the ball forward 13 meters then it should not be 30 meters!
*full transparency with disciplinary process i.e. charges and verdicts/suspensions etc published weekly
*zero tolerance with abusing officials
*Umpires .......need i say more
*I think suspensions could be more clear cut. I love the rugby model. Suspension range, is offence high medium or low in severity, reduction for accepting charges, reduction or increase for past history. Reduction for accepting the charges is important. It might reduce the appeals if they realise it will mean a longer suspension.

It's easy see why Shane Mcguigan was frustrated. I would nearly give a player a pass on anything said in the heat of the moment going off the pitch but if he carried it on he deserves a suspension

I see someone said you can't compare to rugby but of course u can. We should be open enough to take learnings from wherever we can get them. I saw Bundee having a go at a ref after a last minute try against Connacht. He came back and apologised and issued an apology publicly even though there probably was a mistake. It is culture"
*sanctions consistently applied i.e. if the sanction is move the ball forward 13 meters then it should not be 30 meters! A no brainer - also refs should allow teams to take quick frees even if it delays a booking, talk to players more like rugby. Often see teams having to slow down frees and lose an advantage just for a booking/black card.

*full transparency with disciplinary process i.e. charges and verdicts/suspensions etc published weekly
Agreed
*zero tolerance with abusing officials Agree again but competence and common sense will need to improve from officials
*Umpires .......need i say more Umpires and linesmen should help referees more with decisions other than scores/line balls, a bit of common sense would go a long way. the weekend decision from Fermanagh was farcical but thankfully rare enough.
*I think suspensions could be more clear cut. I love the rugby model. Suspension range, is offence high medium or low in severity, reduction for accepting charges, reduction or increase for past history. Reduction for accepting the charges is important. It might reduce the appeals if they realise it will mean a longer suspension. It's easy see why Shane Mcguigan was frustrated. I would nearly give a player a pass on anything said in the heat of the moment going off the pitch but if he carried it on he deserves a suspension I see someone said you can't compare to rugby but of course u can. We should be open enough to take learnings from wherever we can get them. I saw Bundee having a go at a ref after a last minute try against Connacht. He came back and apologised and issued an apology publicly even though there probably was a mistake. It is culture" Some fair points here, but I think Aki's public apology was more to do with rugbys PR obsession than anything else!!

whoareya (Donegal) - Posts: 77 - 23/03/2022 12:34:12    2406659

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Roscommon won a league 2 today they should never have been in the final of..Derry were done out of promotion and league 2 final by a disgraceful decision...but no one seems too bothered...apparently these things are ok..it happens..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 03/04/2022 20:17:55    2409360

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Roscommon won a league 2 today they should never have been in the final of..Derry were done out of promotion and league 2 final by a disgraceful decision...but no one seems too bothered...apparently these things are ok..it happens.."
We're you in Hyde Park that day Offaly?
I suspect not.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1397 - 03/04/2022 20:57:08    2409384

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Roscommon won a league 2 today they should never have been in the final of..Derry were done out of promotion and league 2 final by a disgraceful decision...but no one seems too bothered...apparently these things are ok..it happens.."
Cry more ..

spion7 (Roscommon) - Posts: 55 - 03/04/2022 21:07:32    2409390

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "We're you in Hyde Park that day Offaly?
I suspect not."
Outside Roscommon we have these magic boxes and the pictures come to life!!!! witchcraft out your way im sure

Canuckgael (USA) - Posts: 31 - 03/04/2022 21:07:53    2409391

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Roscommon won a league 2 today they should never have been in the final of..Derry were done out of promotion and league 2 final by a disgraceful decision...but no one seems too bothered...apparently these things are ok..it happens.."
What disgraceful decision cost Derry a place in the league final?
Are you referring to McGuigan's suspension? He was definitely sent off incorrectly and his suspension which came from his response to that was unfair. But to say this cost Derry a place in the league final is an incredible stretch.
We absolutely hammered Derry. The game was over after 25 minutes. Unless McGuigan was going to be filling 6 positions on that day, he wouldn't have made a huge difference to the result.
Roscommon were deserving league finalists and very deserving winners in the end.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2033 - 03/04/2022 21:32:19    2409402

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "We're you in Hyde Park that day Offaly?
I suspect not."
with my own county playing that day why would I..the world doesnt centre around Roscommon which is lost on alot of Roscommon people (I work with them and I am asked that question (were ya at the Roscommon match as if I would be) regular....I seen the incident on the tv that night with McGuigan and between what I seen and what the analysts thought of it it was a wrong decision to send him off...Roscommon got very very lucky in Division 2 thats for sure...on a serious note I think Galway didnt go full hog somehow today..it was a strange game..Galway came back at end and the Roscommon goal won it...the championship game will be interesting..Derry wont be happy and rightly so but as usual the GAA dont do anything about these poor decisions.

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 03/04/2022 21:36:53    2409405

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Replying To spion7:  "Cry more .."
Derry are the ones who should be crying...they were done against Roscommon...Galway and Derry were the best 2 teams in Division 2 no doubt about that..Roscommon got lucky...very lucky..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 03/04/2022 21:38:43    2409407

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Derry are the ones who should be crying...they were done against Roscommon...Galway and Derry were the best 2 teams in Division 2 no doubt about that..Roscommon got lucky...very lucky.."
I'd rather be lucky or very lucky than relegated

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 04/04/2022 09:03:25    2409423

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Stop embarrassing yourself Offalyman.
You saw 3 minutes edited highlights, you heard pundits talking about 1 incident and you let loose posting statements as if you sat through the 70 minutes plus in person in Hyde Park.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1397 - 04/04/2022 09:11:00    2409425

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Derry are the ones who should be crying...they were done against Roscommon...Galway and Derry were the best 2 teams in Division 2 no doubt about that..Roscommon got lucky...very lucky.."
Derry got bet out the gate by a Galway team who have lost twice in a week to the best team in division 2 ..it's not rocket science ..let's see Derry try and get out of division 2 next year..I suspect they'll have to serve another year or two apprenticeship there before they may the step forward ,if that's possible under a coach like Gallagher who'll bring you so far then revert to type..

spion7 (Roscommon) - Posts: 55 - 04/04/2022 09:32:37    2409427

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Replying To spion7:  "Derry got bet out the gate by a Galway team who have lost twice in a week to the best team in division 2 ..it's not rocket science ..let's see Derry try and get out of division 2 next year..I suspect they'll have to serve another year or two apprenticeship there before they may the step forward ,if that's possible under a coach like Gallagher who'll bring you so far then revert to type.."
To be fair Galway were already promoted last week, and how much does a Div 2 league title mean to a county like Galway? I'd say Galway moved towards championship post Derry but in truth when focused Galway were a class above in Div 2. Derry were second best in my opinion, but luck plays a part and they were very unlucky against Roscommon. I think Derry could of stayed in Div 1 if promoted, but as history shows Roscommon won't, both teams will probably pass each other next season.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 04/04/2022 10:10:56    2409438

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Replying To spion7:  "Derry got bet out the gate by a Galway team who have lost twice in a week to the best team in division 2 ..it's not rocket science ..let's see Derry try and get out of division 2 next year..I suspect they'll have to serve another year or two apprenticeship there before they may the step forward ,if that's possible under a coach like Gallagher who'll bring you so far then revert to type.."
Roscommon would have bet Derry by a similar score to Galway had it not been for the ref. The narrative Derry were hard done by is hilarious.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1143 - 04/04/2022 10:26:52    2409442

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Derry are the ones who should be crying...they were done against Roscommon...Galway and Derry were the best 2 teams in Division 2 no doubt about that..Roscommon got lucky...very lucky.."
Galway the best team in Division 2 games this year. Roscommon the second best team in the division and the better team yesterday. Both teams deserved to be promoted. Derry looked good until they were tested by Roscommon and Galway. They'll improve next year in a very competitive Division 2. Will probably play a Tyrone team, who are starting to peak nicely, on May 1st. Whereas Derry levels had to be higher for the battle for Division 2 promotion. They'll be competitive on the day but I think Tyrone will have too much for them. Doing great under Gallagher. Their season is far from over.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 04/04/2022 11:05:23    2409451

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Replying To sam1884:  "To be fair Galway were already promoted last week, and how much does a Div 2 league title mean to a county like Galway? I'd say Galway moved towards championship post Derry but in truth when focused Galway were a class above in Div 2. Derry were second best in my opinion, but luck plays a part and they were very unlucky against Roscommon. I think Derry could of stayed in Div 1 if promoted, but as history shows Roscommon won't, both teams will probably pass each other next season."
Cry More. Derry second best my hole. As i said above We would have beaten them by double digits only for the ref. Galway went all out yesterday and we beaten by the better team.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1143 - 04/04/2022 11:07:07    2409453

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "Derry are the ones who should be crying...they were done against Roscommon...Galway and Derry were the best 2 teams in Division 2 no doubt about that..Roscommon got lucky...very lucky.."
I've never heard such skuther. Derry got their cumuppance for their second half antics. The fact is they weren't good enough to get promoted from Div 2. They got hammered by Galway, a result that Shane McGuigan would not have stopped had he been playing. If you are that reliant on one player to get you promotion well then you definitely aren't fit to be promoted to Div 1. Galway cruised to promotion without Comer and Walsh for some games and without Peter Cooke even on the panel. I'd spend a little more time worrying about your own county's performance and a little less about Derry's.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 771 - 04/04/2022 11:22:41    2409465

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Cry More. Derry second best my hole. As i said above We would have beaten them by double digits only for the ref. Galway went all out yesterday and we beaten by the better team."
Neutral so not too concerned, just giving my observations. Galway and Roscommon are promoted and congrats to them, whilst Derry can rightly feel unlucky but can use that next season to kick on. Over the next couple of years I do think in time Derry will play in a higher league, on a consistent basis than Roscommon, but that is for another day.

I wouldn't judge beating Galway twice in a week as too significant, when they were already promoted. This is a serious Galway team who are improving and if you get them fully focused in the Connacht final which is possible I think we'll see the difference in quality.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 04/04/2022 11:22:47    2409466

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Replying To sam1884:  "To be fair Galway were already promoted last week, and how much does a Div 2 league title mean to a county like Galway? I'd say Galway moved towards championship post Derry but in truth when focused Galway were a class above in Div 2. Derry were second best in my opinion, but luck plays a part and they were very unlucky against Roscommon. I think Derry could of stayed in Div 1 if promoted, but as history shows Roscommon won't, both teams will probably pass each other next season."
Derry weren't good enough. No one mentions Cathal Heneghan was through on goal which would have finished the game, only for no advanatge to be given from the ref. So Derry were very lucky to be even in that game. Derry then had the advantage on an extra man and were not good enough to make that count and be well clear of Roscommon at the end. Roscommon scored 1-6 against Galway when in the same position last week. The table doesn't lie. Derry are up and coming but far too reliant on one man for scores and he would have been man marked out of it in Div 1 resulting in Derry's inevitable relegation. Derry will now have a very tough task on their hands to get out of Div 2 next year, against the Dubs, Kildare and a Meath team that were unlucky not to beat them despite having nothing to play for in the last game.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 771 - 04/04/2022 11:49:14    2409477

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