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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I'm even trying to figure out how they only finished 6 points in front..cork backs totally opened up when ran at..full back line destroyed as was pointed out in posts during the week..very impressive from Waterford..mark coleman completely absent..let's hope that continues for at least another 2 weeks..on another note o donohue can consider himself very lucky with his standing on the calf of a Waterford forward in first half..he loves handing it out but doesn't like when it's put up to him.."
There was another legit goal but the whistle had gone. I prefer to see players stay on the field but given up on what is and what are not red cards. You know I hate embellishment but now maybe understand. If Pendergast rolled around the field holding his leg and screaming the ref would talk to someone and guaranteed someone would have seen something. These are not misses or mistakes. He seen it himself and ignored it. Consistency is all we can ask for. Thankfully Pendergast was not hurt and we can move on.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 03/04/2022 16:05:32    2409252

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Replying To Rockies:  "Midfield looks like Millerick partnering Fitzgibbon, as Millerick is expected to fall back to mark Lynch. I would play Joyce at center back to handle Lynch,drop Millerick and use Coleman at midfield. Fitzgibbon center forward with Barrett in corner might add some power to attack.Probably too late to replace goalkeeper, but cut out some of that play acting around goal area. Wouldn't mind seeing Waterford win the All Ireland. They came close in the past, especially 2004 when they had a great team."
It's too late at this stage for all those changes, Coleman is Fitzgibbons centre back and he won't change that. If he plays centre back then he can't have any defensive responsibility because he struggles with that and every team will target that.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 03/04/2022 16:22:45    2409264

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Not sure if Limerick management will like what they saw yesterday. They'll be confident of handling Cork, but Waterford will present an almighty challenge. I would think Limerick will be facing a Cork team on the lines of… Collins, O Donoghue, Cahalane, Niall O' Leary, Tim O' Mahony, joyce, Downey, Coleman, Conor Cahalane, O' Flynn, Lehane, Fitzgibbon , Horgan, Kingston, Barrett.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 03/04/2022 16:38:58    2409272

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Replying To munsterchamps:  "i'm sick of saying it which you never mentioned cork will never win anything with damien cahalane or rob downey in the back 6 ....kieran kingston thinks that tippy tappy hurling ( which works in preseason because other teams are only half chasing it ) will cut it come championship......"
These guys have been found out time and time again. The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over.....

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 03/04/2022 16:45:14    2409274

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Replying To Bon:  "These guys have been found out time and time again. The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over....."
Cahalane full back, Downey half back? Not sure how we can avoid it! Millerick at full back and Coleman at left half back maybe. In any event, Cork are not at the races this year. We'll turn up in 2 weeks and fulfill the fixture! Few positives yesterday.. SOD did well on Dessie Hutchinson and Joyce again did fine!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 03/04/2022 17:01:36    2409281

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I read in many reports where Hutchison had an off day. I think he had great game. Took so much watching and his movement allowed others space. On top of that he still scored a goal. The supplied ball to him was great but you got to put yourself in the position to take it and then finish.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2868 - 03/04/2022 17:19:55    2409291

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Replying To Canuck:  "I read in many reports where Hutchison had an off day. I think he had great game. Took so much watching and his movement allowed others space. On top of that he still scored a goal. The supplied ball to him was great but you got to put yourself in the position to take it and then finish."
Limerick will be your test! That could be the rivalry this year.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 03/04/2022 18:04:06    2409309

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Replying To Rockies:  "Limerick will be your test! That could be the rivalry this year."
Ya Paddy Power cut Waterford's odds by half a point into 5/1 with Cork at 7/1. Must be very frustrating being a Cork fan - great going forward but loose as a scoury calf at the back

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 03/04/2022 18:28:20    2409316

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Ya Paddy Power cut Waterford's odds by half a point into 5/1 with Cork at 7/1. Must be very frustrating being a Cork fan - great going forward but loose as a scoury calf at the back"
Boyle sports Waterford 3/1. Limerick evens. Getting tighter every week. For whatever reason Cork losing doesn't bother me. I guess it's only a game, and I enjoy it anyway. Munster got hammered in rugby and Mayo hammered by kerry

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 03/04/2022 18:31:50    2409318

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Ya Paddy Power cut Waterford's odds by half a point into 5/1 with Cork at 7/1. Must be very frustrating being a Cork fan - great going forward but loose as a scoury calf at the back"
They will never win with that full back line, ever.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 04/04/2022 11:26:52    2409468

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yes indeed, I have long considered SOD a liability- look at all the yellow cards he gets."
Not a mention of this last night on League Sunday, pity Donal Og wasn't on as he wants to rid the game of dirty play. Cork people should have a look at their own discipline instead of worrying about Limericks.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 04/04/2022 12:35:29    2409492

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "They will never win with that full back line, ever."
Waterford are the form team, and will take some beating. As for Cork a selector I talked to is pushing the following team. Collins, Niall O' Leary, Sean O' Donoghue, Mellerick, Coleman, Joyce, Downey, Fitzgibbon, O' Mahony, O' Flynn, Barrett, Lehane, Jack O' Connor, Horgan, Kingston

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 04/04/2022 14:04:39    2409529

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I think Waterford are the real deal at the moment. Ballygunner's win will boost the others but the absence of the BG contingent until now has given other lads a serious amount of game time. In 2018 Limericks Na Piarsaigh went to a replay with An Cula. This allowed Kiley blood lads like Gillane, Flanagan and gave other lads the opportunity to prove themselves. I honestly didn't think that Dan & Tom Morrissey and Graeme Mulcahy were good enough to make a top county team. These lads were playing so well that no NaPa player started in the first round of the championship V Tipp in 2018. Just goes to show what a top management team & game time can do! So on the bench we had Shane Dowling, Mike Casey, Will O 'D. I stand corrected but I think David Dempsy & Kevin Downes were subs and Peter Casey was injured? Mike Casey became the only regular starter. But Kiley had built the strongest panel in the county.
Likewise Cahill has now built a very strong panel and he could very well finish with his strongest team on any given day. Obviously I'm Limerick all they way but should they fall along the way I'll be 100% behind the Deise.

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 04/04/2022 14:08:46    2409534

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Next game Cork vs Limerick will not be the supercharged contest people hoped for. Pity, as I was looking forward to a traditional competitive Munster game.Last Saturday's game was by enlarge, sporting and competitive with no red cards,but Waterford proved their performance against Wexford was no flash in pan.Cork are now mere hopefuls for any silverware. Waterford, Limerick and Clare to come out of Munster, and at this point Waterford to win whole thing. Sit back and enjoy it!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 04/04/2022 14:20:37    2409539

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Replying To Rockies:  "Next game Cork vs Limerick will not be the supercharged contest people hoped for. Pity, as I was looking forward to a traditional competitive Munster game.Last Saturday's game was by enlarge, sporting and competitive with no red cards,but Waterford proved their performance against Wexford was no flash in pan.Cork are now mere hopefuls for any silverware. Waterford, Limerick and Clare to come out of Munster, and at this point Waterford to win whole thing. Sit back and enjoy it!"
Just as a few Cork wins early in the League didnt make them world beaters so too one Cork loss in the final doesnt make them championship no hopers.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 04/04/2022 14:56:32    2409549

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Rockies are you seriously expecting us to believe you and a few others are willing to wave a white flag..im still very nervous of the visit to cork on Easter Sunday..our fellas can do all the training they want but matches really are worth more..even if cork were well beaten last Saturday night I feel they will be more up to speed than limerick,I hope I'm wrong..can I ask you please why jack o Connor and Alan cadogan havnt been used more during the league??also has dec dalton been dropped off the panel?this match will make or break the year for both counties,if we lose we have Waterford the following Saturday..I think cork are off the 2nd week..if cork lose then I think they'll find it next to impossible to lift themselves..I won't be surprised if Clare are one of the teams coming out of munster..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2380 - 04/04/2022 15:02:14    2409553

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Rockies are you seriously expecting us to believe you and a few others are willing to wave a white flag..im still very nervous of the visit to cork on Easter Sunday..our fellas can do all the training they want but matches really are worth more..even if cork were well beaten last Saturday night I feel they will be more up to speed than limerick,I hope I'm wrong..can I ask you please why jack o Connor and Alan cadogan havnt been used more during the league??also has dec dalton been dropped off the panel?this match will make or break the year for both counties,if we lose we have Waterford the following Saturday..I think cork are off the 2nd week..if cork lose then I think they'll find it next to impossible to lift themselves..I won't be surprised if Clare are one of the teams coming out of munster.."
Dec dalton is off panel! Am not a selector do don't know why JOC or cadogan not used!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 04/04/2022 15:23:19    2409561

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Rockies are you seriously expecting us to believe you and a few others are willing to wave a white flag..im still very nervous of the visit to cork on Easter Sunday..our fellas can do all the training they want but matches really are worth more..even if cork were well beaten last Saturday night I feel they will be more up to speed than limerick,I hope I'm wrong..can I ask you please why jack o Connor and Alan cadogan havnt been used more during the league??also has dec dalton been dropped off the panel?this match will make or break the year for both counties,if we lose we have Waterford the following Saturday..I think cork are off the 2nd week..if cork lose then I think they'll find it next to impossible to lift themselves..I won't be surprised if Clare are one of the teams coming out of munster.."
I completely agree with this assessment. I have for a while. Everyone is naming cork, limerick and waterford to come out of munster but one if these 3 will immediately be in a battle to regain form quickly and build momentum which is extremely hard to do mid round robin. Weeks ago I said it will be vital for us to gain 2 point from the first 2 matches. With respect to a young in progress Tipp team, waterford who while of course will do everything to win have enough of a settled team and panel that they don't have to go all guns blazing like limerick or cork do the first day out.

If we don't pick up the 2 points in cork I think it will be extremely difficult to sort ourselves out after just 6 days to beat waterford regardless of the game being in the Gaelic grounds.

It's vital for us to start well in cork to put doubts in their minds. All of a sudden after the league final, cork will have a cause like in they had in '19 when people doubted if they'd make it out of the round robin after Tipp dished out a beating in the first round. I prefer it when they are over confident.
If they learn lessons from the league final ( sort out the CHB position in particular) and play their best team from the start (shane kingston) then it will be a tall order.
Probably the biggest challenge of the season will be the game in 2 weeks time. No doubt the boys will improve during the round robin but unfortunately there's no option but to hit the ground running immediately. That's the biggest question mark from the league

Mads (Limerick) - Posts: 367 - 04/04/2022 16:13:52    2409583

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Rockies are you seriously expecting us to believe you and a few others are willing to wave a white flag..im still very nervous of the visit to cork on Easter Sunday..our fellas can do all the training they want but matches really are worth more..even if cork were well beaten last Saturday night I feel they will be more up to speed than limerick,I hope I'm wrong..can I ask you please why jack o Connor and Alan cadogan havnt been used more during the league??also has dec dalton been dropped off the panel?this match will make or break the year for both counties,if we lose we have Waterford the following Saturday..I think cork are off the 2nd week..if cork lose then I think they'll find it next to impossible to lift themselves..I won't be surprised if Clare are one of the teams coming out of munster.."
Limerick supporter I was talking to during week ,thinks that Limerick will sweep all before them this year, including Waterford. Confidence is sky high with the Treaty.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 04/04/2022 16:20:54    2409585

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Replying To Rockies:  "Dec dalton is off panel! Am not a selector do don't know why JOC or cadogan not used!"
Don't think Dalton has the work-rate for inter-county fare. He's gifted, and big and strong, but I couldn't see him getting around the place in the way that's necessary.

JOC and Cadogan probably weren't used because other lads were going better throughout the league. Cork was flying it until the final, so Kingston, rightly or wrongly, stuck with the men who were delivering the goods.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2096 - 04/04/2022 16:39:27    2409594

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