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How can we go from the tactics that saw us score 4 goals b4 half time against the same opposition last summer to what we saw Saturday night, where we played it back and sideways any time we got near their 45, no runners off the shoulder a junior team could defend against it, also Mohan made 6/7 good early run into space but the ball never let in to him, his marker stopped following him he knew he didn't need to waste his energy. Every man when he got the ball the first option was to turn back never forward, awful.

DEBOGMAN (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 22/02/2022 15:09:54    2401903

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Replying To Farney:  "Monaghan ripped apart the form team in the country in the first half of the game and should have been a mile ahead of them at half time.. Armagh scored nearly half their points total during the time Monaghan where down to 13 men. At the end of the game it was Monaghan who looked to want to win the game and Armagh retreated to defend the draw.. How can you say they were 3-6 points the better team!! Armagh got lucky with the sending off, it changed the game."
Watch the game back, Armagh had 3 goal scoring opportunities before the sending off, strolling through the defence with massive holes down the middle, only to waste their chances.

Monaghan had 6 wides at half time and a lot has been said about if we took our chances, Armagh had 4!!

Monaghan lost Manzy for 30mins, alot saying if he was on the pitch we'd have won, Armagh lost Rian O'Neill for 20mins, no mention of the impact this would have had on Armagh.. Who of the two are in form and more likely to win a game?

8 points, 2 from frees, is what's recognised as "ripped" apart these days??

Like I said, too many people forming their opinion from Bantys media spin rather than taking a actual clinical look at the poor state of affairs in the county.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 22/02/2022 16:37:28    2401942

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Replying To DEBOGMAN:  "How can we go from the tactics that saw us score 4 goals b4 half time against the same opposition last summer to what we saw Saturday night, where we played it back and sideways any time we got near their 45, no runners off the shoulder a junior team could defend against it, also Mohan made 6/7 good early run into space but the ball never let in to him, his marker stopped following him he knew he didn't need to waste his energy. Every man when he got the ball the first option was to turn back never forward, awful."
Listening to O McConville on podcast there saying monaghan were nearly too organised in there attacking and looked uncomfortable when hitting on the counter as it had to be off the cuff. The players look in a panic when they get into the scoring zone if all does not appear rehearsed.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 22/02/2022 16:59:34    2401946

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "Watch the game back, Armagh had 3 goal scoring opportunities before the sending off, strolling through the defence with massive holes down the middle, only to waste their chances.

Monaghan had 6 wides at half time and a lot has been said about if we took our chances, Armagh had 4!!

Monaghan lost Manzy for 30mins, alot saying if he was on the pitch we'd have won, Armagh lost Rian O'Neill for 20mins, no mention of the impact this would have had on Armagh.. Who of the two are in form and more likely to win a game?

8 points, 2 from frees, is what's recognised as "ripped" apart these days??

Like I said, too many people forming their opinion from Bantys media spin rather than taking a actual clinical look at the poor state of affairs in the county."
Banty can spin whatever garbage he likes after every game about character etc but bottom line is we are playing a dismal style of football.. it's shocking and stomach churning to watch so I can only imagine what it's like to play in…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 22/02/2022 17:46:50    2401966

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Replying To seanie08:  "Listening to O McConville on podcast there saying monaghan were nearly too organised in there attacking and looked uncomfortable when hitting on the counter as it had to be off the cuff. The players look in a panic when they get into the scoring zone if all does not appear rehearsed."
Is this the same Oisin mcconville who said Saturday nights game was a quality game of football.. the rest of us must have been watching a different game to what he was watching..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 22/02/2022 17:48:12    2401967

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Conor got his Red card rescinded last night.. Fair is fair, it was a push that was made a meal off..

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 801 - 25/02/2022 09:55:04    2402295

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He is very luckily to get off in my opinion he hit the lad wit a close fist but no video to show it so happy days

Lad79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 53 - 25/02/2022 11:36:37    2402321

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Replying To Farney:  "Conor got his Red card rescinded last night.. Fair is fair, it was a push that was made a meal off.."
Yeah I was there myself & if anyone should have sent off in that exchange it should have been Forker,

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 25/02/2022 17:04:56    2402382

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No McCarron tomorrow is what I'm hearing, doesn't help
Our cause. Thank god Manzy got the card overturned!
Tomorrow could make or break or Div 1 status, Bantys media spins aside a result is all that matters, he can take his "character" praises home with him at the end of the year if this team goes down.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 26/02/2022 20:18:58    2402572

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A good footballing lesson today.
2 points with three to play, it's not a done deal but monaghan will do well to beat the drop

222 (UK) - Posts: 692 - 27/02/2022 16:01:24    2402722

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Men against boys today.. I wouldn't be to critical of the players today as kerry are different class and will take most teams with ease.. we probably got away lucky without getting a 20 point beating with the Clifford's being taken off early and Kerry taking the foot of the pedal for the last 15 mins.. unfort wel have to listen the same garbage again about how the lads showed serious character to keep going to the end as opposed to kerry downing tools… I said it before and il say it again Banty is not the man to take us forward.. a change is required asap…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 27/02/2022 16:09:32    2402727

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Watching Monaghan over 40 years and today was the first time leaving a game early.
No resemblance of a tactical plan in place to combat a Kerry onslaught in second half with the wind, almost like it didn't exist, we have been watching games the past month being won/lost aided by conditions, players being put out to the slaughter.
Who with a ounce of tactical prowess can think leaving Clifford up front with space and a significant wind would result in what we seen? Felt really sorry for Kieran D, no back up at all.
Another major worry is our squad depth, we have a u20 team last year who previously won a minor ulster and was a kick of the ball in u20 ulster final last year, where's the players? Where's the forward thinking of what sort of Monaghan we will have 2-3 years down the line?
We have a significant amount of injuries, McCarron, McAnespie, McCarthy and after today's game it looks like Ward also, what is gods name is going on in preparing these players, a lot said about this "big name" backroom team, in my opinion you earn your name on merit not newspaper Columns like wat appears to be the way with this backroom team.
Monaghan Co Board have to take a serious look at where their money is being used, the figures being talked about in the stand today to get a "top" S&C coach & physios team were outrageous, if even 50% of the figure was actually true it's still a disgrace & all for what to have a diminished squad available for selection and have some of our best talent broke up on a medical table.
Relegation looks a certainty and unfortunately if that is what it takes to get Banty and his "big names" outta Monaghan I'd settle for it.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 27/02/2022 16:14:48    2402730

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Chickens came home to roost today. We got a lesson.

Zero penetration up front once Kerry got to grips with k Hughes. We struggled with even doing the simple things, passes going to ground or around players shins, or hospital passes around their ears. Case in point was how Rory got caught for the second goal, it was us giving away the ball that caused him to get caught.

No support runners, everything far too static.

Kerry kicked fast ball in, and then kicked points for fun...we passed the ball to death...same old same old...Worst performance in a long time - so much for us being hard to beat.

Be difficult getting out of div 2 next year with the Dubs for company...

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 441 - 27/02/2022 16:21:42    2402734

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Replying To mick2007:  "Men against boys today.. I wouldn't be to critical of the players today as kerry are different class and will take most teams with ease.. we probably got away lucky without getting a 20 point beating with the Clifford's being taken off early and Kerry taking the foot of the pedal for the last 15 mins.. unfort wel have to listen the same garbage again about how the lads showed serious character to keep going to the end as opposed to kerry downing tools… I said it before and il say it again Banty is not the man to take us forward.. a change is required asap…"
We can't be critical but a goalie is a goalie and let's hope a lesson is leaned here. A roaming goalie means an empty net and a lone defender left under serious pressure.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 27/02/2022 16:30:54    2402743

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V hard to see us staying up after today. We usually get points in bag early on and have good home form. Have not had either this time and two tough away matches now where a win in one is necessary to give us a chance in last game at home to dublin. Not impossible but form gone out the window and players look off form.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 27/02/2022 16:46:07    2402748

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Monaghan finished the game with 15 players on the field. That's a step in the right direction.

Not much more positive to say.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 193 - 27/02/2022 18:53:32    2402789

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "Watching Monaghan over 40 years and today was the first time leaving a game early.
No resemblance of a tactical plan in place to combat a Kerry onslaught in second half with the wind, almost like it didn't exist, we have been watching games the past month being won/lost aided by conditions, players being put out to the slaughter.
Who with a ounce of tactical prowess can think leaving Clifford up front with space and a significant wind would result in what we seen? Felt really sorry for Kieran D, no back up at all.
Another major worry is our squad depth, we have a u20 team last year who previously won a minor ulster and was a kick of the ball in u20 ulster final last year, where's the players? Where's the forward thinking of what sort of Monaghan we will have 2-3 years down the line?
We have a significant amount of injuries, McCarron, McAnespie, McCarthy and after today's game it looks like Ward also, what is gods name is going on in preparing these players, a lot said about this "big name" backroom team, in my opinion you earn your name on merit not newspaper Columns like wat appears to be the way with this backroom team.
Monaghan Co Board have to take a serious look at where their money is being used, the figures being talked about in the stand today to get a "top" S&C coach & physios team were outrageous, if even 50% of the figure was actually true it's still a disgrace & all for what to have a diminished squad available for selection and have some of our best talent broke up on a medical table.
Relegation looks a certainty and unfortunately if that is what it takes to get Banty and his "big names" outta Monaghan I'd settle for it."
You make a good point on players coming through, same happened with 2013 and 2016 winning teams at minor and u21, enough not probably not blooded, a problem now again from last few ulster wins at u17 and u19, you'd be better blooding these lads and take the hit it of relegation, Derry went down a similar road and reeping rewards. Banty relying on an older core, unreal servants but time waits on nobody.

222 (UK) - Posts: 692 - 27/02/2022 19:07:35    2402792

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Seamus lost the support of the county today. Never seen so many die hards leaving early. The place was emptying with 15 to go.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 27/02/2022 19:17:27    2402799

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Replying To 222:  "You make a good point on players coming through, same happened with 2013 and 2016 winning teams at minor and u21, enough not probably not blooded, a problem now again from last few ulster wins at u17 and u19, you'd be better blooding these lads and take the hit it of relegation, Derry went down a similar road and reeping rewards. Banty relying on an older core, unreal servants but time waits on nobody."
10 of the starting 15 from the 2016 u21 final have represented the Monaghan Senior team.

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 206 - 27/02/2022 20:00:55    2402812

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Seamus lost the support of the county today. Never seen so many die hards leaving early. The place was emptying with 15 to go."
When did he ever have the support of the county in the last 2 years esp given how he got back into the hot seat……..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 27/02/2022 20:19:02    2402820

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