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Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney:  "We can't afford to have playerS walking out. Unlike Dublin we do not have a huge pool of players to choose from. Of course this decision belongs to the county board, but having player buy-in isn't exactly an alien concept in sport. I'm not sure why you think bending to player pressure is the reason we are in this current situation either. I would say it's down to whoever made the decision to re-appoint Banty last time around. We're currently experiencing the fallout from that."
Have to agree with you here, Monaghan is a tiny county with a small population of players to choose from. Blueblood seems to think the new manager would be taking over Manchester Utd or Liverpool where players can be drafted in from elsewhere..

The entire argument should center around how invaluable these players have been to Monaghan over the years - and how much they have sacrificed from their personal lives for Monaghan football. These lads deserve one last push for the ultimate success with a manager truly capable of doing so. The last thing Monaghan football can afford is to appoint some in house nobody with a track record of failures looking to go nuclear and trying to make a name for himself by retiring some of the greatest players our county has ever seen!

Mickod88 (Monaghan) - Posts: 24 - 07/09/2022 16:18:09    2439954

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "You argument has already been proven invalid by multiple posts. The need to have played, performed, won at a high level is a idiotic way to gauge managerial suitability.

As for your statement on players walking.. Let them. If they are so quick to turn there back on the jersey then they don't deserve it in the first place. Bending to player pressure is the reason we are in the current situation. A number of years ago the Dubs took a hard line with player power and egos, "your either rowing the boat in the same direction or your thrown overboard", this is what is needed with the current group.

Your obviously entitled to your opinion but if you were privy to what has went on with all the "big names" and why they walked away from this group you'd not be long about changing."
Indeed other managers have had great success coming from limited pedigree, but at least there was a generational gap between the players and managers.

A lot of these county legends have faced off against Counihan, some are the same age, so they are well aware of all his many limitations, and would likely walk, taking much of our future away with them. Dublin could afford to cull many of their players due to their population, Monaghan unfortunately are unable to do so.

Take a look around the county championship and you'll see every club is still relying on the older guys to do it for them. Finley, Darren Hughes, McManus, the Duffys, Gollogly - these guys are still the main men for their clubs, the youth isnt
coming through or ready yet! Im not privy to all the goings on as others seem to be, but im not in the mix for the job so I wouldnt know..

Mickod88 (Monaghan) - Posts: 24 - 07/09/2022 16:34:57    2439956

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On the club championship- Has anybody seen any players that have put their hand up to be given an opportunity on the county panel next year? Shane McGuinness (Ballybay), Christopher McKenna (Truagh) and Robbie McAllister (Emyvale) are three that have stood out, along with the Clontibret goalkeeper who is absolutely superb, albeit not a position we're stuck for on the county panel.

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 136 - 07/09/2022 19:56:26    2439975

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Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney:  "We can't afford to have playerS walking out. Unlike Dublin we do not have a huge pool of players to choose from. Of course this decision belongs to the county board, but having player buy-in isn't exactly an alien concept in sport. I'm not sure why you think bending to player pressure is the reason we are in this current situation either. I would say it's down to whoever made the decision to re-appoint Banty last time around. We're currently experiencing the fallout from that."
That's a good one.. You wanted rid of Banty and now that he is gone.. it's still his fault.. !!!! incredulous..

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 777 - 07/09/2022 20:03:40    2439976

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Replying To Mickod88:  "Indeed other managers have had great success coming from limited pedigree, but at least there was a generational gap between the players and managers.

A lot of these county legends have faced off against Counihan, some are the same age, so they are well aware of all his many limitations, and would likely walk, taking much of our future away with them. Dublin could afford to cull many of their players due to their population, Monaghan unfortunately are unable to do so.

Take a look around the county championship and you'll see every club is still relying on the older guys to do it for them. Finley, Darren Hughes, McManus, the Duffys, Gollogly - these guys are still the main men for their clubs, the youth isnt
coming through or ready yet! Im not privy to all the goings on as others seem to be, but im not in the mix for the job so I wouldnt know.."
I think you're living in the past to be honest. No question, these players have been great servants. They owe the county nothing. But time stands still for no man. You're talking as if we should be doing anything possible to keep men well past their best in the county jersey. And the county board seem to agree with you. Which is why we're fumbling around with not a clue who the next manager is. It's nonsense. Let the young lads in. That's the priority. Not keeping the oldest players happy. And there's one man who knows the young talent better than anyone. It should be remembered that Banty was a 'nobody' when he took over the county job first. He did a very good job though.

RightFull (Monaghan) - Posts: 74 - 07/09/2022 21:31:59    2439982

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Replying To Mickod88:  "Indeed other managers have had great success coming from limited pedigree, but at least there was a generational gap between the players and managers.

A lot of these county legends have faced off against Counihan, some are the same age, so they are well aware of all his many limitations, and would likely walk, taking much of our future away with them. Dublin could afford to cull many of their players due to their population, Monaghan unfortunately are unable to do so.

Take a look around the county championship and you'll see every club is still relying on the older guys to do it for them. Finley, Darren Hughes, McManus, the Duffys, Gollogly - these guys are still the main men for their clubs, the youth isnt
coming through or ready yet! Im not privy to all the goings on as others seem to be, but im not in the mix for the job so I wouldnt know.."
It's small, short term thinking like yours that will never allow a Monaghan team win an All Ireland.

The facts are the facts, the handful of senior players we have been so reliant on are on a downward trajectory, and have been for some time, we have talent coming that needs exposure.

Aaron Mulligan has undoubtedly the most talent we have seen since Manzy and he walked away last year because he wasn't getting the chance. How long will the others wait?

We need a manager who is willing to make big calls with these big "personalities" so as to think for the future. What I fear will happen is the players will get their own man in who takes a short term focus and just delays the inevitable.

We will go down this year, I've no doubts about that, how and in what manner is what matters. Flogging a dead horse or blooding new players/talent.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 177 - 08/09/2022 10:13:28    2440001

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Replying To Mickod88:  "Have to agree with you here, Monaghan is a tiny county with a small population of players to choose from. Blueblood seems to think the new manager would be taking over Manchester Utd or Liverpool where players can be drafted in from elsewhere..

The entire argument should center around how invaluable these players have been to Monaghan over the years - and how much they have sacrificed from their personal lives for Monaghan football. These lads deserve one last push for the ultimate success with a manager truly capable of doing so. The last thing Monaghan football can afford is to appoint some in house nobody with a track record of failures looking to go nuclear and trying to make a name for himself by retiring some of the greatest players our county has ever seen!"
What is the "ultimate success" you are referring to? This group has been great servants and had decent success but haven't won anything since 2015, realistically are we going to be winning Ulster with Derry, Armagh, Donegal and probably Tyrone around challenging. Flogging the same group for another year with our main achievement of staying in division 1, maybe win a couple of games in Ulster and then exit the all ireland series before the business end, where are we then next year?

sporto (Monaghan) - Posts: 146 - 08/09/2022 10:17:21    2440004

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Elephant in the room - there's obviously a financial problem too. Banty brought funding with him and that was part of his selling point. so is that funding gone now? presumably so.

So we have an aging team and a possible lack of funding. Is this what the county board is telling managers?
Its all speculation but no matter what way its looked at - its embarrassing for monaghan gaa...


A quick one on people talking about the older lads at club scene - this isn't unique to monaghan. Colm Parkinson regularly tweets about older lads still doing it for their clubs. if a club has a former county player, its extremely likely they will play beyond 35 - its what they do..
nobody talking about kearns tearing it up for the Seans or what Mohan, bannigan, jones, mcanespie etc are doing for their clubs.

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 143 - 08/09/2022 11:55:00    2440009

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "Elephant in the room - there's obviously a financial problem too. Banty brought funding with him and that was part of his selling point. so is that funding gone now? presumably so.

So we have an aging team and a possible lack of funding. Is this what the county board is telling managers?
Its all speculation but no matter what way its looked at - its embarrassing for monaghan gaa...


A quick one on people talking about the older lads at club scene - this isn't unique to monaghan. Colm Parkinson regularly tweets about older lads still doing it for their clubs. if a club has a former county player, its extremely likely they will play beyond 35 - its what they do..
nobody talking about kearns tearing it up for the Seans or what Mohan, bannigan, jones, mcanespie etc are doing for their clubs."
If Kearns is heading to Australia, what he is doing for his club not really relevant from a county perspective.

Kimberlite (Monaghan) - Posts: 35 - 08/09/2022 13:11:44    2440023

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Replying To Mickod88:  "Indeed other managers have had great success coming from limited pedigree, but at least there was a generational gap between the players and managers.

A lot of these county legends have faced off against Counihan, some are the same age, so they are well aware of all his many limitations, and would likely walk, taking much of our future away with them. Dublin could afford to cull many of their players due to their population, Monaghan unfortunately are unable to do so.

Take a look around the county championship and you'll see every club is still relying on the older guys to do it for them. Finley, Darren Hughes, McManus, the Duffys, Gollogly - these guys are still the main men for their clubs, the youth isnt
coming through or ready yet! Im not privy to all the goings on as others seem to be, but im not in the mix for the job so I wouldnt know.."
You haven't been around much of the county then.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 293 - 08/09/2022 14:34:27    2440039

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Replying To Kimberlite:  "If Kearns is heading to Australia, what he is doing for his club not really relevant from a county perspective."
I would say it's very relevant, especially for any new manager to try and convince him to stay. Not many players of his size and athletic ability around Monaghan.

Also I think the closeness and competitiveness of the intermediate games this year is very good to see.

Emyvale look v. strong.
Doohamlet look to be in relegation playoff's, Toome in Semi's and all star backroom to Corduff yet to guarantee they'll win anything...

MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 32 - 08/09/2022 15:29:35    2440050

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Replying To Kimberlite:  "If Kearns is heading to Australia, what he is doing for his club not really relevant from a county perspective."
heard that alright. my point still stands

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 143 - 08/09/2022 15:34:58    2440052

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Everyone is talking about the current situation of the senior team management, under the current county board committee we have no 20s management team no 17s management either to go with no senior one,what does that say about what is supposed to come first ie football,and it seems to be well down there list.

Fit15 (Monaghan) - Posts: 13 - 08/09/2022 18:50:23    2440072

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Replying To Fit15:  "Everyone is talking about the current situation of the senior team management, under the current county board committee we have no 20s management team no 17s management either to go with no senior one,what does that say about what is supposed to come first ie football,and it seems to be well down there list."
Great point.
Although as far as I know McCaugue is staying on with U20s.
No word on a minor manager though.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 177 - 08/09/2022 21:26:16    2440081

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "Great point.
Although as far as I know McCaugue is staying on with U20s.
No word on a minor manager though."
That would make sense. He did a great job last year.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 293 - 09/09/2022 11:04:31    2440107

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All this uncertainty just leads to rumour after rumour,someone should come out and make a statement on what's going on, show some leadership mister chairman, and just quit the blame game,there are load's of good knowledgeable young managers and trainers within our county for the 20s & 17s, or has it got to a stage where local people don't want to work for the current regime,don't sacrifice them to they are the future,the way this whole thing is being handled will knock us back years

Fit15 (Monaghan) - Posts: 13 - 09/09/2022 11:14:43    2440110

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Replying To Blueblood4life:  "Great point.
Although as far as I know McCaugue is staying on with U20s.
No word on a minor manager though."
Heard Mc Cague had quit after he got the principals job in the sem ???

Fit15 (Monaghan) - Posts: 13 - 09/09/2022 11:52:46    2440121

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At this stage its going to be a shotgun appointment dont expect much in the way of development of younger players etc in fact dont expect anything and it will save the dissapointment

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 808 - 09/09/2022 13:15:04    2440135

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Replying To prideof85:  "At this stage its going to be a shotgun appointment dont expect much in the way of development of younger players etc in fact dont expect anything and it will save the dissapointment"
Maybe some players could go in as player managers

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 09/09/2022 14:10:31    2440137

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "Maybe some players could go in as player managers"
Hope this is sarcasm?

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 177 - 09/09/2022 14:40:29    2440144

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