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Replying To TheN2: "Big weekend ahead. There's not much positivity around at the moment which is understandable enough but I wouldn't go throwing the baby out with the bath water. Injuries, the few lads opting out (or possibly opting out) for the year made it impossible to generate any momentum so far this year and its been tough going since leaving Croke park with 2 points at the end of January. When things are going against you it can be very hard to turn the tide but the tide must go out at some stage and I'm hoping it will be this weekend. Bar Roscommon away and Kerry the last day Monaghan (even with no form) haven't been too far away in a lot of games and with a bit of luck (or less bad luck) could have had something out of Galway, Tyrone and Mayo games in the league. They were leading at close to 70 minutes v Cavan too and just didn't close it out. Kerry the last day was a hard watch but for my money it would have been madness going down to Killarney with all guns blazing as defeat was always likely. Kerry have only lost one championship game in 39 in Fitzgerald stadium and you would have to say that a Monaghan team after a long spin, low on personnel and confidence was never going to be number 2. So all told i think there's room for optimism. A bit of spark to restore some belief would do the team wonders so lets hope we get it this Sunday." Good post. Even defeat wouldn't be the end of the world if we got a good old Monaghan wholehearted effort.
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Fingers crossed for a performance today.
Get that right and let's see where it takes us.
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Something to build on after that second half performance, but once again slow to start. At least a good spirited second half.
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Better second half with a team low on confidence. Bannigan was very good. Could have won it and could have lost it. We should beat meath and could still get second if kerry rack up a big score v louth. But there is the feeling there that the season dosent hold much for us.
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Good 2nd half & will be a morale boost for players & fans alike. When we pushed up on their kick out we got our rewards. Need to cut out the silly fouls in defence. Let's do the biz on Meath !
Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 358 - 02/06/2024 20:41:53
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Thought it was a really gutsy performance by the team. They were low in confidence staring at a 9th defeat in a row 5 pts down 10 mins left and just dug deep to pull that game back against a v in form louth side. Most sides would have folded in those circumstances. Got a bit of luck with the goal but you make your own luck sometimes. Could sense the energy flooding back towards the end. Might be something to build on for rest of year. Bannigan was class but special mention to lavelle irwin and Wilson.
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Let's not get carried away here. We were gifted the 2nd goal, and without that, we were never getting a result. 2nd best pretty much everywhere until the goal kicked us into life.
How times have changed that we're grateful of a draw against a team who finished 3rd from bottom in Div 2.
We were again completely pedestrian, we seem to have lost the ability to run at pace at the opposition. At one point in the second half we broke up a Louth attack, our ball carrier started to sprint out of defense, at which point he got ahead of 6 or 7 of our players who were jogging, so he had to turn and pass back. So frustrating to watch.
Ok, the Meath game counts for something, could still finish 2nd in the group, but still feels like we're just going through the motions, waiting for it all to end.
On a side note, I cant remember the last time our support was outnumbered so badly at a home game, sad to see that. When you think of the crowd that made the trip to Waterford in 2018, it feels like a lifetime ago.
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Replying To moodoo: "Let's not get carried away here. We were gifted the 2nd goal, and without that, we were never getting a result. 2nd best pretty much everywhere until the goal kicked us into life.
How times have changed that we're grateful of a draw against a team who finished 3rd from bottom in Div 2.
We were again completely pedestrian, we seem to have lost the ability to run at pace at the opposition. At one point in the second half we broke up a Louth attack, our ball carrier started to sprint out of defense, at which point he got ahead of 6 or 7 of our players who were jogging, so he had to turn and pass back. So frustrating to watch.
Ok, the Meath game counts for something, could still finish 2nd in the group, but still feels like we're just going through the motions, waiting for it all to end.
On a side note, I cant remember the last time our support was outnumbered so badly at a home game, sad to see that. When you think of the crowd that made the trip to Waterford in 2018, it feels like a lifetime ago." You must remember that was a golden era under malachy. Times have changed.
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First up, it was great to see 11,000 people in Clones on a June Sunday for a qualifier game (11,000 more than would have been there without the current group format- HS editors take note). The number of split households in attendance was remarkable and a reminder that although meetings between Monaghan and Louth are rare, this was always going to be a big derby meeting, and not one to be losing for either side. RTE opted to televise the turkey shoot instead.
Anyway, the mood among both sets of supporters after the game was definitely that Louth threw it away. I thought the same initially, but when you look back a few things tilted my opinion the other way.
For example, Louth didn't score any point from play in the first half. They got a number of very very soft frees from the infuriating Fergal Kelly, and it took Monaghan longer than it should have to figure that pattern out. Mulroy was brilliant from the frees.
By contrast, a Monaghan team that looked so brittle in terms of confidence actually bossed the game, but hesitance and over-caution led to a string of wides- 12 in all by the end. O'Hanlon, Jack and Bannigan's first half misses after good play had the supporters on the edge. Jack slowed Monaghan's attack to a crawl, making things much easier for Louth. You have to wonder.
The second Louth goal was symptomatic of all that is wrong with Monaghan at the minute, A well-known hardcore Monaghan supporter beside us, just before half time was roaring 'no goals, no fkn goals, get to half time no more fkn goals'. I thought he'd land in Fermanagh Street when Grimes scored.
Vinny seemed extremely hesitant to make changes, but moving Lavelle to full back and O'Hanlon onto Craig Lennon both paid dividends. They saved Ryan O'Toole from further exposure for starters. When Monaghan got to within 2 early in the second half, I thought he should have been braver moving with Woods and Jones or Mooney, McManus for Jack seemed a very conservative option. When Woods did get on, his presence unsettled Louth and that had a direct effect on making Bannigan's goal chance. He added much-needed support to Mohan's good efforts around the middle.
With 10 to go Louth were in trouble but again shot selection and a handy free kept them in it. So while Louth were more composed, more organised and led from the front with excellent goals, they really should have been finishing off what look like a rabble Monaghan team.
As for Monaghan, Vinny needs to be brave from the start the next day out. I wouldn't write Meath off lightly
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "First up, it was great to see 11,000 people in Clones on a June Sunday for a qualifier game (11,000 more than would have been there without the current group format- HS editors take note). The number of split households in attendance was remarkable and a reminder that although meetings between Monaghan and Louth are rare, this was always going to be a big derby meeting, and not one to be losing for either side. RTE opted to televise the turkey shoot instead.
Anyway, the mood among both sets of supporters after the game was definitely that Louth threw it away. I thought the same initially, but when you look back a few things tilted my opinion the other way.
For example, Louth didn't score any point from play in the first half. They got a number of very very soft frees from the infuriating Fergal Kelly, and it took Monaghan longer than it should have to figure that pattern out. Mulroy was brilliant from the frees.
By contrast, a Monaghan team that looked so brittle in terms of confidence actually bossed the game, but hesitance and over-caution led to a string of wides- 12 in all by the end. O'Hanlon, Jack and Bannigan's first half misses after good play had the supporters on the edge. Jack slowed Monaghan's attack to a crawl, making things much easier for Louth. You have to wonder.
The second Louth goal was symptomatic of all that is wrong with Monaghan at the minute, A well-known hardcore Monaghan supporter beside us, just before half time was roaring 'no goals, no fkn goals, get to half time no more fkn goals'. I thought he'd land in Fermanagh Street when Grimes scored.
Vinny seemed extremely hesitant to make changes, but moving Lavelle to full back and O'Hanlon onto Craig Lennon both paid dividends. They saved Ryan O'Toole from further exposure for starters. When Monaghan got to within 2 early in the second half, I thought he should have been braver moving with Woods and Jones or Mooney, McManus for Jack seemed a very conservative option. When Woods did get on, his presence unsettled Louth and that had a direct effect on making Bannigan's goal chance. He added much-needed support to Mohan's good efforts around the middle.
With 10 to go Louth were in trouble but again shot selection and a handy free kept them in it. So while Louth were more composed, more organised and led from the front with excellent goals, they really should have been finishing off what look like a rabble Monaghan team.
As for Monaghan, Vinny needs to be brave from the start the next day out. I wouldn't write Meath off lightly" I have to agree I be saying it along time that vinney has treated Andrew woods very unfairly...probably the best young player in monaghan club football the last 4 years but vinney never starts Woods yes the galway game were he got black card but Davie Garland & Hamil have been given a lot of chances this year and no where near as good as Woods with no Kearns or D Hughes it mad that Woods is not starting.
Woods the year under banty scored 3pts in his championship debut against down played very well 2nd half when he came on in armagh against derry
Even the covid league Woods was good every game...the year after played very well against donegal in donegal and the dublin regulation game in clones.
Vinney needs to grow up abit to be honest.
Just another thing that is very frustrating as a fan the fact the Aaron Mulligan who on his league and championship debut season was very good until the ulster final in croke park. Mulligan against Fermanagh in Clones and Armagh in Newry showed that he was good enough that year... how good would mulligan have been now for us...like we have 2 players with that talent we should be giving them the opportunity less be honest this year more than likely will be a write off year.
Impressed with the progress of Irwin and Wilson this year but its time to give mcphilips another chance before he ops out of the panel next year he very unlucky great til the Tyrone game last year and Vinney throw Mcphilips under bus we need the likes mcphilips Woods & Mulligan playing football for monaghan more so now that the likes of Jack,Conor and Ryan wylie that just the facts.
Looking at Oisin Conaty for Armagh he didn't really play last year until the Monaghan game in croke park he came on in extra time scored 2 pentalies. Mcgenney played him every game in division 2 this year and look how good of a player he looks...Prime example of what we need to do next year with Stephen Mooney in division 2.
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So the focus now is on Meath in two weeks.
The second half performance against Louth must give the Monaghan players some added confidence going into this game.
The question is which teams wants their season to continue further ? as before last weekend, both teams were playing like they just wanted the season to be over as soon as possible. I feel that Monaghan will want this one more now though but its very hard to gauge.
The chances of turning around a 20 point difference between us and Louth to claim second spot is low but it doesn't really matter if we claim 2nd or 3rd spot now, the calibre of teams in 2nd or 3rd spot is similar with the perceived superior teams in the groups showing a dip in form last weekend.
So assuming we win in two weeks and claim 3rd sport, we are most likely looking at one of:
Galway (Fancy Armagh to top the group now)
Mayo (Dublin to beat Mayo by 4-5 points to top group).
Tyrone (Group 3 hardest to call as I expect it to be determined by score difference. Tyrone to beat Cork and Donegal to beat Clare by 8+ points, so Donegal, Tryone aond Cork to finish in that order).
It would be nice to go to any of these three counties for a knockout game with Monaghan being a big underdog. We were not that far away from any of them in this year's League, should have beat Tyrone.
SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 128 - 04/06/2024 11:02:44
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Replying To AlanD: " Replying To Eddie the Exile: "First up, it was great to see 11,000 people in Clones on a June Sunday for a qualifier game (11,000 more than would have been there without the current group format- HS editors take note). The number of split households in attendance was remarkable and a reminder that although meetings between Monaghan and Louth are rare, this was always going to be a big derby meeting, and not one to be losing for either side. RTE opted to televise the turkey shoot instead.
Anyway, the mood among both sets of supporters after the game was definitely that Louth threw it away. I thought the same initially, but when you look back a few things tilted my opinion the other way.
For example, Louth didn't score any point from play in the first half. They got a number of very very soft frees from the infuriating Fergal Kelly, and it took Monaghan longer than it should have to figure that pattern out. Mulroy was brilliant from the frees.
By contrast, a Monaghan team that looked so brittle in terms of confidence actually bossed the game, but hesitance and over-caution led to a string of wides- 12 in all by the end. O'Hanlon, Jack and Bannigan's first half misses after good play had the supporters on the edge. Jack slowed Monaghan's attack to a crawl, making things much easier for Louth. You have to wonder.
The second Louth goal was symptomatic of all that is wrong with Monaghan at the minute, A well-known hardcore Monaghan supporter beside us, just before half time was roaring 'no goals, no fkn goals, get to half time no more fkn goals'. I thought he'd land in Fermanagh Street when Grimes scored.
Vinny seemed extremely hesitant to make changes, but moving Lavelle to full back and O'Hanlon onto Craig Lennon both paid dividends. They saved Ryan O'Toole from further exposure for starters. When Monaghan got to within 2 early in the second half, I thought he should have been braver moving with Woods and Jones or Mooney, McManus for Jack seemed a very conservative option. When Woods did get on, his presence unsettled Louth and that had a direct effect on making Bannigan's goal chance. He added much-needed support to Mohan's good efforts around the middle.
With 10 to go Louth were in trouble but again shot selection and a handy free kept them in it. So while Louth were more composed, more organised and led from the front with excellent goals, they really should have been finishing off what look like a rabble Monaghan team.
As for Monaghan, Vinny needs to be brave from the start the next day out. I wouldn't write Meath off lightly" I have to agree I be saying it along time that vinney has treated Andrew woods very unfairly...probably the best young player in monaghan club football the last 4 years but vinney never starts Woods yes the galway game were he got black card but Davie Garland & Hamil have been given a lot of chances this year and no where near as good as Woods with no Kearns or D Hughes it mad that Woods is not starting. Woods the year under banty scored 3pts in his championship debut against down played very well 2nd half when he came on in armagh against derry Even the covid league Woods was good every game...the year after played very well against donegal in donegal and the dublin regulation game in clones. Vinney needs to grow up abit to be honest. Just another thing that is very frustrating as a fan the fact the Aaron Mulligan who on his league and championship debut season was very good until the ulster final in croke park. Mulligan against Fermanagh in Clones and Armagh in Newry showed that he was good enough that year... how good would mulligan have been now for us...like we have 2 players with that talent we should be giving them the opportunity less be honest this year more than likely will be a write off year. Impressed with the progress of Irwin and Wilson this year but its time to give mcphilips another chance before he ops out of the panel next year he very unlucky great til the Tyrone game last year and Vinney throw Mcphilips under bus we need the likes mcphilips Woods & Mulligan playing football for monaghan more so now that the likes of Jack,Conor and Ryan wylie that just the facts. Looking at Oisin Conaty for Armagh he didn't really play last year until the Monaghan game in croke park he came on in extra time scored 2 pentalies. Mcgenney played him every game in division 2 this year and look how good of a player he looks...Prime example of what we need to do next year with Stephen Mooney in division 2."
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1827 - 04/06/2024 11:10:26
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Replying To seanie08: " Replying To AlanD: "[quote=Eddie the Exile: "First up, it was great to see 11,000 people in Clones on a June Sunday for a qualifier game (11,000 more than would have been there without the current group format- HS editors take note). The number of split households in attendance was remarkable and a reminder that although meetings between Monaghan and Louth are rare, this was always going to be a big derby meeting, and not one to be losing for either side. RTE opted to televise the turkey shoot instead.
Anyway, the mood among both sets of supporters after the game was definitely that Louth threw it away. I thought the same initially, but when you look back a few things tilted my opinion the other way.
For example, Louth didn't score any point from play in the first half. They got a number of very very soft frees from the infuriating Fergal Kelly, and it took Monaghan longer than it should have to figure that pattern out. Mulroy was brilliant from the frees.
By contrast, a Monaghan team that looked so brittle in terms of confidence actually bossed the game, but hesitance and over-caution led to a string of wides- 12 in all by the end. O'Hanlon, Jack and Bannigan's first half misses after good play had the supporters on the edge. Jack slowed Monaghan's attack to a crawl, making things much easier for Louth. You have to wonder.
The second Louth goal was symptomatic of all that is wrong with Monaghan at the minute, A well-known hardcore Monaghan supporter beside us, just before half time was roaring 'no goals, no fkn goals, get to half time no more fkn goals'. I thought he'd land in Fermanagh Street when Grimes scored.
Vinny seemed extremely hesitant to make changes, but moving Lavelle to full back and O'Hanlon onto Craig Lennon both paid dividends. They saved Ryan O'Toole from further exposure for starters. When Monaghan got to within 2 early in the second half, I thought he should have been braver moving with Woods and Jones or Mooney, McManus for Jack seemed a very conservative option. When Woods did get on, his presence unsettled Louth and that had a direct effect on making Bannigan's goal chance. He added much-needed support to Mohan's good efforts around the middle.
With 10 to go Louth were in trouble but again shot selection and a handy free kept them in it. So while Louth were more composed, more organised and led from the front with excellent goals, they really should have been finishing off what look like a rabble Monaghan team.
As for Monaghan, Vinny needs to be brave from the start the next day out. I wouldn't write Meath off lightly" I have to agree I be saying it along time that vinney has treated Andrew woods very unfairly...probably the best young player in monaghan club football the last 4 years but vinney never starts Woods yes the galway game were he got black card but Davie Garland & Hamil have been given a lot of chances this year and no where near as good as Woods with no Kearns or D Hughes it mad that Woods is not starting. Woods the year under banty scored 3pts in his championship debut against down played very well 2nd half when he came on in armagh against derry Even the covid league Woods was good every game...the year after played very well against donegal in donegal and the dublin regulation game in clones. Vinney needs to grow up abit to be honest. Just another thing that is very frustrating as a fan the fact the Aaron Mulligan who on his league and championship debut season was very good until the ulster final in croke park. Mulligan against Fermanagh in Clones and Armagh in Newry showed that he was good enough that year... how good would mulligan have been now for us...like we have 2 players with that talent we should be giving them the opportunity less be honest this year more than likely will be a write off year. Impressed with the progress of Irwin and Wilson this year but its time to give mcphilips another chance before he ops out of the panel next year he very unlucky great til the Tyrone game last year and Vinney throw Mcphilips under bus we need the likes mcphilips Woods & Mulligan playing football for monaghan more so now that the likes of Jack,Conor and Ryan wylie that just the facts. Looking at Oisin Conaty for Armagh he didn't really play last year until the Monaghan game in croke park he came on in extra time scored 2 pentalies. Mcgenney played him every game in division 2 this year and look how good of a player he looks...Prime example of what we need to do next year with Stephen Mooney in division 2."
Meath will fancy there chances
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Can someone correct me if I'm wrong about Aaron Mulligan - wasn't he injured tail end of 2022/start of 2023 , a shoulder injury? He was late coming back from it for the 2023 NFL and only got a few minutes against Tyrone in NFL last year. Over the last 20 years, Mulligan has been one of the most prolific scoring players to emerge for Monaghan. But Mulligan didn't set the club SFC alight last year. He previously was top scorer two years in a row but I'd be hard pressed to find a supporter who said he was anywhere near his best last year for Latton. After hardly getting a look last year who can see why he opted out for 2024. You'd have to say an inform Mulligan would be a huge boost but lets wait and see how he does in the SFC this year.
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Replying To sleater: "Can someone correct me if I'm wrong about Aaron Mulligan - wasn't he injured tail end of 2022/start of 2023 , a shoulder injury? He was late coming back from it for the 2023 NFL and only got a few minutes against Tyrone in NFL last year. Over the last 20 years, Mulligan has been one of the most prolific scoring players to emerge for Monaghan. But Mulligan didn't set the club SFC alight last year. He previously was top scorer two years in a row but I'd be hard pressed to find a supporter who said he was anywhere near his best last year for Latton. After hardly getting a look last year who can see why he opted out for 2024. You'd have to say an inform Mulligan would be a huge boost but lets wait and see how he does in the SFC this year." Vinney dropped mulligan Dec 2022 before Xmas over a strenght and conditioning programme before that he wasn't geting game time the year mayo beat us and was dropped for playing soccer game around of the derry game.
Mulligan never played for monaghan in over 2 years he never played against tyrone last year in NFL think you mite be confusing him with dessie ward.
Like mulligan is playing well atm... less not be short sight here.. it's not about if he was playing well this year or not playing well last year ...he very talented and he still young we need all them type of players like at this stage we need the mulligans & mooneys more than we need mccarron mcmanus sad but true... vinney has been hard on Mulligan Woods & Mcphilips and rumours has it he was hard on 2 other senior players who walk away this year.
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By any chance does anyone have the odds for handicap betting on monaghan v louth the last day? Preferably whatever boyle sports were offering.
Thanks in advance
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Replying To AlanD: "Vinney dropped mulligan Dec 2022 before Xmas over a strenght and conditioning programme before that he wasn't geting game time the year mayo beat us and was dropped for playing soccer game around of the derry game.
Mulligan never played for monaghan in over 2 years he never played against tyrone last year in NFL think you mite be confusing him with dessie ward.
Like mulligan is playing well atm... less not be short sight here.. it's not about if he was playing well this year or not playing well last year ...he very talented and he still young we need all them type of players like at this stage we need the mulligans & mooneys more than we need mccarron mcmanus sad but true... vinney has been hard on Mulligan Woods & Mcphilips and rumours has it he was hard on 2 other senior players who walk away this year." Thanks for clarifying some points there. For your information Mulligan did come on as a sub against Tyrone last year in the NFL. I was at the game and remember it. Ward went off injured in the first half of that game.
Following link has the match line up etc - https://www.finalwhistle.ie/gaelic/event/national-football-league/nfl-division-1/8095/2023-03-19/
anyway ,totally agree that on form he's a player that would be a certain starter for Monaghan. Lets hope he commits for 2025.
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Replying To sleater: "Thanks for clarifying some points there. For your information Mulligan did come on as a sub against Tyrone last year in the NFL. I was at the game and remember it. Ward went off injured in the first half of that game.
Following link has the match line up etc - https://www.finalwhistle.ie/gaelic/event/national-football-league/nfl-division-1/8095/2023-03-19/
anyway ,totally agree that on form he's a player that would be a certain starter for Monaghan. Lets hope he commits for 2025." Yes I stand corrected with mulligan in that tyrone game but in my blindness the point i was making that vinney and his management team have been unfair with some of our youngest & most talented players.... but with some players he given them chance after chance enough said on that hopefully we see mulligan few other lads like hanratty conor boyle &ronan boyle back in monaghsn jersey come 25.. breffani the venue for the meath game
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Would agree that vinnie has shown loyalty to the older guard but I suppose in his defence it was alot of the older guard who dragged us to a SF last year. I presume he'll be in this job for at least 2 more years and hell need start blooding alot of the younger cohort and trusting them. As I said the older guys own nothing to monahan football but they would be better impact subs. Not sure what his beef with woods is, maybe it's fitness maybe is discpline but yes I would start him. Sean Jones was classy against scotstown last year and more is needed from a guy like him. Look Sunday was OK but we were poor for alot of it, it was good to show some spirit but the team is well of the pace from where it was. Meath game is 50-50 but I'd expect monaghan to win. I still don't see us winning a PQF.
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Pick a team for Meath.
Anyone now what's the story with Dessie Ward? He'd make a massive difference.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1089 - 05/06/2024 12:25:34
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