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Replying To CARPS: "Because of Covid. Which, given what was known at the time, was fair enough." He left them in the lurch. Pure and simple. They had to go looking for a manager to complete league fixtures and championship. It was anything but "fair enough".
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 199 - 02/03/2023 09:28:24
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Lets be very clear here, those advocating a return to a defensive system that was played by Carlow a few years ago is now defunct and is not played by any counties now.
And let's be very honest, it was brutal to watch. Many supporters stopped going to those matches.
Of course I will be slated by many for such a statement, but when the chips were down and we had a realistic chance.of reaching a Leinster final... then we played absolutely brutal stuff against Laois in Croke Park. It was shocking. A chance to reach our first Leinster final for years was squandered. We were paralysed by the system. Yes,it kept the score down but we never rose a gallop or looked like we wanted to win that match.
That is the game that I judge that old system by, not the Kildare game or Tyrone or any other. That Laois semi final.
Everybody is disappointed with the Leitrim result. And especially the players after a very promising match against Laois.
But people need to be realistic about reforming the current underage structures.
Development squads have been in operation for quite a while. And not every club is happy with these squads and how they operate.
Attempts were made to have a Carlow schools football team... so, work is being done by people interested in developing and promoting football and hurling.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1819 - 02/03/2023 13:14:41
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Replying To CARPS: "Cork has more than *FIVE TIMES* the population of Kilkenny. Both counties are hurling mad.
Kilkenny have won ten All-Irelands since Cork last won one of their own.
It's only about population.
But you are onto something with the "expecting 7 clubs to be able to compete with Eire Og at juvenile level" point.
Perhaps Eire Og's size is part of the problem in Carlow?
They effectively have the pick of half the county. Because there is no limit to where they can pull players from inside the town (where half the county lives).
So, perhaps, limiting the power of Eire Og would make other teams less afraid of playing in the A grade, and also give more chaps from the town a chance to play?
Because there is a massive drop off rate in Carlow town, where lads can't get a game and just give up.
Kilkenny is in something like our situation, where the county town has a disproportionate percentage of the population. So they have a rule where O'Loughlin Gaels, Dicksboro and James Stephens are assigned their own areas.
What about trying this in Carlow? Let O'Hanrahan's have the "Cathedral Parish," where they are based. And split Asca (which has a much larger population), into Eire Og and Asca?
Exceptions would be made for players whose fathers played for a club outside the catchment area. So if you are from Highfield, but your dad played for Asca, you can play for them. Or vice versa, if Dereen Heights and your dad played for the Blues?
That would also apply if you lived in the town and your dad was from, say, Kildavin.
Because one of the most ludicrous things I see in underage Carlow football is chaps playing the Blues one year and then with Eire Og the next year. Making the latter stronger and the former weaker.
I saw it last year with a chap who was on the county under 14 development squad and whose dad had been a coach with O'Hanrahan's a couple of years ago.
My club is small and our pick is limited, but we have to face a club which has the entire of pick of half the county and is just hoovering up the town. It's totally unfair. And extremely detrimental to Carlow football." It's interesting you single out one chap out of many that have made similar moves. unless your familiar with a set of circumstances I wouldn't be posting something that would make them easily identifiable, very unfair.
A good nursery has to be the priority of any club , build from there and have the structures in place, pathways right up to senior, kids are spoilt for choice nowadays in terms of sports and that will only increase so its important that club has strong structures in place and are in the schools recruiting all the time
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1591 - 02/03/2023 20:43:04
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Replying To Overthebar53: "You forgot to mention that we also lost 3 times to a very average laois team playing a deplorable brand of football that was unwatchable" We lost, two weeks ago, to a very average Laois team, by even more than we did under Poacher/Turlough. And those were higher stakes games. So what's your point?
The same year we beat Louth (by 11) and Kildare (by 7) in Leinster.
What would either of them do to us now?
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 05/03/2023 12:43:10
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Replying To Carlowrising: "Having an opinion is one thing, but just making up false history that defies the facts makes you look very silly. In 2021 or the "write off year" as you refer to it, their was a change in structure to the league where divisions were split in to two groups North and south. Carlow beat Waterford & Wexford to finish top of the group where they progressed to play Louth in a promotional play-off game which Louth won. Carlow then played Longford in the 2021 Championship.
A lot of senior players then retired, many of which were well above the average retirement age for inter county players. I'm not sure exactly why you are looking for an older cohort of Carlow players to be involved when it's a young man's game but I'd say it might be another effort at bringing up how good things used to be in 2017-2019 .....zzzzzz.... The panel now has a great age profile with lots of youth and scope to kick on but will take time such is the nature of rebuilding a squad.
I'm not sure what older players in Carlow you'd like to see committing, Brendan Murphy hasn't played county football since before covid. The Tinryland elder statesmen seem to be at peace with their decision to retire and owe nothing to the cause. Sean Gannon retired altogether, no older players jump out at me." Brendan Murphy, Conor Lawler and Sean Murphy could all still be playing, if we had the right management. Remember, under Poacher, the last two switched to football from hurling. And Murphy committed in those years.
If we had them, we'd likely have beaten Laois. Full back and midfield were weak points.
We are a small county, we need everyone in.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 05/03/2023 12:45:54
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Replying To Carlowtothecore1: "Lads Eire Og may be part of the problem. But, there seems to be an unwritten policy to cut this small county in half, deciding the faith of players who want to play football for carlow by not giving them the opportunity at underage. Refer back to the early posts about selection of this years County u20 football panel. This very same panel got hammered out the gate by laois at minor level and manager when asked in the press why no MLR players were invited stated they weren't interested. A statement which was a lie and was forced to correct later!
This is going on for years with underage panels and now it's coming home to roost at senior level! To be fair to this years senior management they've scoured the county for lads, asked several players into panel that are committed to hurling, who by the way were never asked at underage level, Hense the problem…" That bias works both ways. The son of a friend of mine is good at both football and hurling, probably a bit better at the small ball, and lives in the town. Guess which development panel he was picked for, and which one didn't select him?
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 05/03/2023 12:47:25
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Replying To Overthebar53: "He left them in the lurch. Pure and simple. They had to go looking for a manager to complete league fixtures and championship. It was anything but "fair enough"." Ask yourself why he might not have wanted to be surrounded by people in the spring and summer of the year 2000?
Those were not normal times.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 05/03/2023 12:48:31
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Replying To carlowman: "Lets be very clear here, those advocating a return to a defensive system that was played by Carlow a few years ago is now defunct and is not played by any counties now.
And let's be very honest, it was brutal to watch. Many supporters stopped going to those matches.
Of course I will be slated by many for such a statement, but when the chips were down and we had a realistic chance.of reaching a Leinster final... then we played absolutely brutal stuff against Laois in Croke Park. It was shocking. A chance to reach our first Leinster final for years was squandered. We were paralysed by the system. Yes,it kept the score down but we never rose a gallop or looked like we wanted to win that match.
That is the game that I judge that old system by, not the Kildare game or Tyrone or any other. That Laois semi final.
Everybody is disappointed with the Leitrim result. And especially the players after a very promising match against Laois.
But people need to be realistic about reforming the current underage structures.
Development squads have been in operation for quite a while. And not every club is happy with these squads and how they operate.
Attempts were made to have a Carlow schools football team... so, work is being done by people interested in developing and promoting football and hurling." "Many supporters stopped going to those matches?"
Really, do you not remember the crowds for the Division Three games in 2019? And the scenes around Carlow town in the summer of 2019.
If "many supporters stopped going to those matches," well then many more must have gone instead of them. Because crowds then were bigger than they are now.
"when the chips were down and we had a realistic chance.of reaching a Leinster final"
How did we get to the Leinster semi in the first place? By using a system that helped us beat Louth and Kildare. Would we get to a Leinster semi now?
"That is the game that I judge that old system by, not the Kildare game or Tyrone or any other. "
Right so, losing to Laois (who we always lose to) was a bigger deal than beating Kildare (who we never beat). Sound logic, there.
"Everybody is disappointed with the Leitrim result. And especially the players after a very promising match against Laois."
Right so, losing to Laois by six (at home) is "promising," but losing to Laois by four (in Croke Park) is a disaster? Again, sound logic.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 05/03/2023 12:53:29
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Replying To Barrowsider: "It's interesting you single out one chap out of many that have made similar moves. unless your familiar with a set of circumstances I wouldn't be posting something that would make them easily identifiable, very unfair.
A good nursery has to be the priority of any club , build from there and have the structures in place, pathways right up to senior, kids are spoilt for choice nowadays in terms of sports and that will only increase so its important that club has strong structures in place and are in the schools recruiting all the time" Not deliberately singling out anyone. Just giving an example, because it's recent. There are many more. Going back years.
As for the circumstances, when townies switch clubs there is always some excuse: "Poor Johnny didn't like the mean coach" or "training clashed with soccer" or whatever. But these transfers keep happening, and one club is like a giant hoover sucking up the whole town (with the pick of half the county), but you expect country clubs to play A grade and take them on?
Also, how come you don't see these townie transfers in other parts of the county? How often do you see a Tullow chap go to Rathvilly? Or Myshall to Fenagh, etc?
Something needs to be done about football in the town. And in Tullow. This is where the county is falling down.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 05/03/2023 12:58:10
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Got the job done today which was important after last week's disaster. Silgo at home & Wexford away the last 2 games. Will be tough next day out against Silgo but we have nothing to lose. I see its fixed for 18th March at 5pm the same time as Ireland v England 6 nations game so that will have a negative effect on the crowd. Surely our game could be played couple of hours earlier or later??
carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 05/03/2023 16:29:28
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A lot of soul searching done over the past few days, job well done from a big ask.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 05/03/2023 17:51:07
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Replying To CARPS: ""Many supporters stopped going to those matches?"
Really, do you not remember the crowds for the Division Three games in 2019? And the scenes around Carlow town in the summer of 2019.
If "many supporters stopped going to those matches," well then many more must have gone instead of them. Because crowds then were bigger than they are now.
"when the chips were down and we had a realistic chance.of reaching a Leinster final"
How did we get to the Leinster semi in the first place? By using a system that helped us beat Louth and Kildare. Would we get to a Leinster semi now?
"That is the game that I judge that old system by, not the Kildare game or Tyrone or any other. "
Right so, losing to Laois (who we always lose to) was a bigger deal than beating Kildare (who we never beat). Sound logic, there.
"Everybody is disappointed with the Leitrim result. And especially the players after a very promising match against Laois."
Right so, losing to Laois by six (at home) is "promising," but losing to Laois by four (in Croke Park) is a disaster? Again, sound logic." Sorry, I meant "the scenes around Carlow town in the summer of 2018." Not 2019.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 05/03/2023 17:55:52
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Replying To carlo: "Got the job done today which was important after last week's disaster. Silgo at home & Wexford away the last 2 games. Will be tough next day out against Silgo but we have nothing to lose. I see its fixed for 18th March at 5pm the same time as Ireland v England 6 nations game so that will have a negative effect on the crowd. Surely our game could be played couple of hours earlier or later??" Or we could get the IRFU to move their match.
It's hardly as big an event as Carlow Sligo.
carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 05/03/2023 19:08:51
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Replying To carlo: "Got the job done today which was important after last week's disaster. Silgo at home & Wexford away the last 2 games. Will be tough next day out against Silgo but we have nothing to lose. I see its fixed for 18th March at 5pm the same time as Ireland v England 6 nations game so that will have a negative effect on the crowd. Surely our game could be played couple of hours earlier or later??" I'll never understand why the GAA consistently goes up against major events in other sports. All it does is impact the attendances and cost them money, and for what, pride?
TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 235 - 06/03/2023 07:25:50
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Carlow gaa fans will be in netwatch Cullen Park regardless of what other sports might be on. So I hope they wouldn't even consider changing the time as 'Carlo' said in previous post even if it suits him.
I can't be at the Carlow game but I'll be tuned in to kclr.
I just hope I don't have to listen to Rugby updates every 2 mins during our game.
fullbach (Carlow) - Posts: 264 - 06/03/2023 10:36:58
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Replying To fullbach: "Carlow gaa fans will be in netwatch Cullen Park regardless of what other sports might be on. So I hope they wouldn't even consider changing the time as 'Carlo' said in previous post even if it suits him.
I can't be at the Carlow game but I'll be tuned in to kclr.
I just hope I don't have to listen to Rugby updates every 2 mins during our game." I think Andy Farrell was mentioned more times than Niall Carew during yesterday's game.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 581 - 06/03/2023 12:06:05
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Replying To fullbach: "Carlow gaa fans will be in netwatch Cullen Park regardless of what other sports might be on. So I hope they wouldn't even consider changing the time as 'Carlo' said in previous post even if it suits him.
I can't be at the Carlow game but I'll be tuned in to kclr.
I just hope I don't have to listen to Rugby updates every 2 mins during our game." There will be supporters at the game(including myself) but not the crowd they would have got if the rugby wasn't on. It will be Paddys weekend & many Gaa people will go to the pub to watch the rugby unfortunately especially as Ireland will probably be going for the grand slam. The fact that we are more or less out of the running for promotion won't help either. I would love to see as many as possible there to support the lads so yes I do hope they change the start time. No point burying the head in the sand saying "the true supporters will be there"
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Replying To fullbach: "Carlow gaa fans will be in netwatch Cullen Park regardless of what other sports might be on. So I hope they wouldn't even consider changing the time as 'Carlo' said in previous post even if it suits him.
I can't be at the Carlow game but I'll be tuned in to kclr.
I just hope I don't have to listen to Rugby updates every 2 mins during our game." So your not a real Carlow fan if you decide to watch your country playing England for a potential chance of winning the Grand Slam, rather than watching Carlow in what will be at that point a meaningless game for Carlow? Majority of people would be fans of both.
Why ask people to chose? why hurt your own pockets because of stubbornness/poor scheduling? Why not just move the game to 3?
TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 235 - 06/03/2023 12:43:40
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Replying To carlo: "There will be supporters at the game(including myself) but not the crowd they would have got if the rugby wasn't on. It will be Paddys weekend & many Gaa people will go to the pub to watch the rugby unfortunately especially as Ireland will probably be going for the grand slam. The fact that we are more or less out of the running for promotion won't help either. I would love to see as many as possible there to support the lads so yes I do hope they change the start time. No point burying the head in the sand saying "the true supporters will be there"" Surely the game could easily be moved to 3pm or 2.30 even. Surely it'll Sligo to get home earlier as well. If not at 7pm why play it on Saturday at all and just play it at 2 on the Sunday.
Clashing with the rugby is just plain daft. Head in sand stuff.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 06/03/2023 14:30:10
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Hope the GAA 5pm throw-in is changed to earlier/later for our game vs Sligo on 18th March. A lot of counties complaining about it.
20 counties are affected with 5pm and 6pm starts:
Carlow/Sligo, Westmeath/Fermanagh, Tipp/Offaly, Galway/Armagh, Waterford/London.
novalis (Carlow) - Posts: 312 - 08/03/2023 13:15:04
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