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Replying To Barrowsider: "No fixtures yet for underage, provisional dates have been sent out, kildare leagues are seriously competitive, I was talking to a kildare coach last year he said division 1 of their 15s was very tight from 1 to 8 so every game is intense and players get to learn in a competitive environment where every game can go either way, the skills picked up there are not coachable really.
A coaches forum where coaches from all clubs are brought in and some kind of a framework for the future is considered, we need competitive division 1 football at all ages. This will create the players we need to get up and compete at adult inter County." It's not really comparing like for like though is it? Kildare has four times the population of Carlow, double the amount of clubs and greater resources. To give it perspective, Tullow and Bagenalstown are comparable to Kilcullen and Monasterevin in terms of size.
Expecting 7 clubs to be able to compete with Eire Og at juvenile level, most of which are small rural clubs, each year is unrealistic.
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Replying To TaosHum: "It's not really comparing like for like though is it? Kildare has four times the population of Carlow, double the amount of clubs and greater resources. To give it perspective, Tullow and Bagenalstown are comparable to Kilcullen and Monasterevin in terms of size.
Expecting 7 clubs to be able to compete with Eire Og at juvenile level, most of which are small rural clubs, each year is unrealistic." I'm not expecting them to compete that's my point, they need to join up, every club has players capable of playing division 1 football, by joining up in some form you are offering them that chance, you could still have your regular leagues, example could be tinryland, o hanrahans and asca, that would be a strong division 1 side capable of competing, likewise tullow and grange combined that's a strong division 1 side rathvilly and clonmore likewise, if any of them clubs feel they have a strong enough side to stand alone in division 1 then fine but this thing of clubs hiding in division 2 has to end, division 2 would become a reserve league with the second teams of these joined up entities. No stand alone clubs allowed in division 2.
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1592 - 28/02/2023 10:08:50
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Replying To Barrowsider: "I'm not expecting them to compete that's my point, they need to join up, every club has players capable of playing division 1 football, by joining up in some form you are offering them that chance, you could still have your regular leagues, example could be tinryland, o hanrahans and asca, that would be a strong division 1 side capable of competing, likewise tullow and grange combined that's a strong division 1 side rathvilly and clonmore likewise, if any of them clubs feel they have a strong enough side to stand alone in division 1 then fine but this thing of clubs hiding in division 2 has to end, division 2 would become a reserve league with the second teams of these joined up entities. No stand alone clubs allowed in division 2." I'll take your word on it that you're involved in the coaching end of things, you're in the know and what I see you're a decent poster, that said.
Your theory on linking up underage clubs from Carlow with clubs in Kildare for example to help them get up to div.1 standard is the way to go and makes great sense however, it's unlikely to happen in the near future because as you know yourself that is how the gaa work as in, it takes years to get any reasonable suggestion up and running.
As a county, Carlow is very much involved in soccer and rugby, then in gaelic games you have club involvement in both codes along with that you have the county scene in both codes again, the thing is in gaelic football at senior level young lads coming through have nothing to aspire to over the past number of years, however you can say the same about say, Leitrim, Wicklow, Wexford, Longford along with a few other counties.
Carlow senior footballers have a mountain to climb next Sunday against London in Ruislip, under the circumstance it's a big ask and I wish them the best of good luck including Niall Carew.
PS. When the Tailteann Cup competition really kicks in the demands on players will be more demanding, trying to fix the problem instead of fixing the cause, your suggestion would go a long way towards fixing both in Carlow.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 28/02/2023 12:21:43
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There is absolutely no doubt that Sunday's performance was poor by any measuring metric.
We stayed with Leitrim for long passages but the concession of 2 goals and the failure to take one or 2 chances proved decisive. And yes we had at least 1 real chance of a goal and one 1 other that could have been converted.
The sending off of 3 players for the second week in a row does show that discipline is an issue and the panel needs to address that if the team is to have any progress.
In today's Nationalist Carew has a real go at referees and feels that the status of Carlow is affecting referees in their decisions. That is his considered view. I don't think I would fully agree with that.
Leitrim were more battle hardened and that showed in the close encounters where they pulled and dragged and got away with much of it from the throw in. We stayed with them points wise until the sending offs.
So, for the future, what is to be made of it based on the last 3 weeks!
Any hopes of an exceptional year were dashed by Leitrim while the Laois game did offer some hope.
I think that a big issue is that players are not working hard enough when we are in possession 50m from the opponents goal. Not enough options are being presented by players and we are losing the ball too easily in the tackle, some are going it alone and losing possession and our confidence in shooting is poor.
Moran scored our best point early in the game from a distance and apart from that our shooting in matches has not been good.
Goals win games and again we have had our goal chances but have not taken our fair share.
I still believe in the panel. I believe that this league has been a hard learning curve but that the team is dedicated enough to turn the next few results in their favour.
Talk of joining the Kildare leagues at underage is a fair point, and should be explored.
Fixtures will be out there when the evenings get a bit brighter which will be soon enough.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 28/02/2023 14:12:51
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Replying To supersub15: "I'll take your word on it that you're involved in the coaching end of things, you're in the know and what I see you're a decent poster, that said.
Your theory on linking up underage clubs from Carlow with clubs in Kildare for example to help them get up to div.1 standard is the way to go and makes great sense however, it's unlikely to happen in the near future because as you know yourself that is how the gaa work as in, it takes years to get any reasonable suggestion up and running.
As a county, Carlow is very much involved in soccer and rugby, then in gaelic games you have club involvement in both codes along with that you have the county scene in both codes again, the thing is in gaelic football at senior level young lads coming through have nothing to aspire to over the past number of years, however you can say the same about say, Leitrim, Wicklow, Wexford, Longford along with a few other counties.
Carlow senior footballers have a mountain to climb next Sunday against London in Ruislip, under the circumstance it's a big ask and I wish them the best of good luck including Niall Carew.
PS. When the Tailteann Cup competition really kicks in the demands on players will be more demanding, trying to fix the problem instead of fixing the cause, your suggestion would go a long way towards fixing both in Carlow." There's actually little or no reason why Carlow clubs couldn't play in the Kildare underage leagues. Clubs from Offaly and Wicklow already do so. It involves asking kildare who seem to be very accommodating but crucially it means being ready to play in early February when most of our clubs are still hibernating it seems to me.
I also suggested previously that our county development squads should enter the Dublin league. Dubs accommodate club teams from Wicklow so again I'd say we'd be pushing an open door. But clubs and county board and GPOs have to want to open it first …. it always seems to me it's too much bother and we'll be grand.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 28/02/2023 14:36:07
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Replying To carlowman: "There is absolutely no doubt that Sunday's performance was poor by any measuring metric.
We stayed with Leitrim for long passages but the concession of 2 goals and the failure to take one or 2 chances proved decisive. And yes we had at least 1 real chance of a goal and one 1 other that could have been converted.
The sending off of 3 players for the second week in a row does show that discipline is an issue and the panel needs to address that if the team is to have any progress.
In today's Nationalist Carew has a real go at referees and feels that the status of Carlow is affecting referees in their decisions. That is his considered view. I don't think I would fully agree with that.
Leitrim were more battle hardened and that showed in the close encounters where they pulled and dragged and got away with much of it from the throw in. We stayed with them points wise until the sending offs.
So, for the future, what is to be made of it based on the last 3 weeks!
Any hopes of an exceptional year were dashed by Leitrim while the Laois game did offer some hope.
I think that a big issue is that players are not working hard enough when we are in possession 50m from the opponents goal. Not enough options are being presented by players and we are losing the ball too easily in the tackle, some are going it alone and losing possession and our confidence in shooting is poor.
Moran scored our best point early in the game from a distance and apart from that our shooting in matches has not been good.
Goals win games and again we have had our goal chances but have not taken our fair share.
I still believe in the panel. I believe that this league has been a hard learning curve but that the team is dedicated enough to turn the next few results in their favour.
Talk of joining the Kildare leagues at underage is a fair point, and should be explored.
Fixtures will be out there when the evenings get a bit brighter which will be soon enough." "when the evenings get a bit brighter which will be soon enough."
Seriously. !!!
You think it's time enough to start a full two months behind neighbouring counties? The evenings aren't bright until first week in April. No problems with daylight on Saturdays and Sundays.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 28/02/2023 14:44:42
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Replying To supersub15: "I'll take your word on it that you're involved in the coaching end of things, you're in the know and what I see you're a decent poster, that said.
Your theory on linking up underage clubs from Carlow with clubs in Kildare for example to help them get up to div.1 standard is the way to go and makes great sense however, it's unlikely to happen in the near future because as you know yourself that is how the gaa work as in, it takes years to get any reasonable suggestion up and running.
As a county, Carlow is very much involved in soccer and rugby, then in gaelic games you have club involvement in both codes along with that you have the county scene in both codes again, the thing is in gaelic football at senior level young lads coming through have nothing to aspire to over the past number of years, however you can say the same about say, Leitrim, Wicklow, Wexford, Longford along with a few other counties.
Carlow senior footballers have a mountain to climb next Sunday against London in Ruislip, under the circumstance it's a big ask and I wish them the best of good luck including Niall Carew.
PS. When the Tailteann Cup competition really kicks in the demands on players will be more demanding, trying to fix the problem instead of fixing the cause, your suggestion would go a long way towards fixing both in Carlow." I'm not proposing joining kildare, I mean join up to have a stronger internal league, my issue with sending our stronger clubs to a better league is that it only helps our stronger clubs rather than trying to raise the standard across the board, I appreciate where onion is coming from with it though and it would be of great value to our 3 strong clubs, I'd firstly just try to solve it internally though, failing that I'd go with his idea.
I don't think this season can be saved now, the body language on Sunday was very poor from the start, we just have to get through this season now and have a look at it, that's a young panel and the last thing we want is those lads walking away so there will have to be some consideration given to how we are playing the game, a more defensive looking game is needed, all the top teams are defensive in structure we have something in the middle and it's not working.
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1592 - 28/02/2023 16:29:54
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Replying To Onion Breath: ""when the evenings get a bit brighter which will be soon enough."
Seriously. !!!
You think it's time enough to start a full two months behind neighbouring counties? The evenings aren't bright until first week in April. No problems with daylight on Saturdays and Sundays." I actually believe that young players have time enough in April in playing our games.
Go and try to have a town team playing in a Kildare league and see how you get on... a lot iof young lads are playing soccer and rugby.
It's all well and good to believe that players will be itching to get stuck into it but the reality is that in many homes GAA is not number 1.
We are not living in an Ireland of the 50's.
If yiu want to help develop younger players, then look at winter league games on Sat nights. Plenty of clubs have lights.
See how you get on.
Rangers and St Mullins are the backbone of the county hurling team and involvement in the Kilkenny leagues has helped hugely.
There are some issues with Carlow teams at underage playing oin the Kilkenny leagues.
It's not always straight forward
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 28/02/2023 19:02:04
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Replying To Onion Breath: ""when the evenings get a bit brighter which will be soon enough."
Seriously. !!!
You think it's time enough to start a full two months behind neighbouring counties? The evenings aren't bright until first week in April. No problems with daylight on Saturdays and Sundays." We started back training with the u12s 3 weeks ago. All our clubs teams from u10s up did. And I had to go to North Cork for work yesterday evening and the young lads were back training there too.
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I also suggested previously that our county development squads should enter the Dublin league. Dubs accommodate club teams from Wicklow so again I'd say we'd be pushing an open door. But clubs and county board and GPOs have to want to open it first …. it always seems to me it's too much bother and we'll be grand.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1347 - 28/02/2023 14:36:07
In today's Nationalist Carew has a real go at referees and feels that the status of Carlow is affecting referees in their decisions. That is his considered view.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1750 1750 - 28/02/2023 14:12:51
I agree with pretty much everything you say about structural changes I've been beating that drum for a long time, many of our clubs are barely keeping their heads above water our juvenile leagues are atrocious, eire og won the minor last year they had 7 games! if your county can't provide you with a full calender of games there is something seriously wrong, of those games one was competitive the rest hammerings, st martins and palatine had a similar experience at 15s and martins dominated the 13s grade, we have 3 competitive juvenile clubs at football, nobody else can compete as they don't have the numbers or are badly organised, regional teams would be a solution so that everyone good enough could play division 1, the clubs are the problem, they don't want to change. Forward thinking people are sidelined.
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1387 - 26/02/2023 20:58:13
It's a big ask to expect the lads to regroup and refocus on the London game under the circumstances, if we couldn't beat Leitrim with a full team then it's a bit much to expect them to beat a London side at full strength in their own back yard with a shadow of put out against Leitrim,
The league is as good as over, so Carlow should enjoy the trip to Ruislip, the pressure is off so win or lose enjoy the game with or without two belated points.
Team building should begin with the London game, restructure, reorganize, and reinvent your game to suit.
It may take a long time, - in Carlow's case forever, to put a structure in place to develop the underage clubs.
In the meantime, I think it is a must to get a senior team trainer/coach on board with the team manager, if Pat Flanagan doesn't suit get someone else, the more high profile and proven the better.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 01/03/2023 12:17:45
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Replying To Barrowsider: "I agree with pretty much everything you say about structural changes I've been beating that drum for a long time, many of our clubs are barely keeping their heads above water our juvenile leagues are atrocious, eire og won the minor last year they had 7 games! if your county can't provide you with a full calender of games there is something seriously wrong, of those games one was competitive the rest hammerings, st martins and palatine had a similar experience at 15s and martins dominated the 13s grade, we have 3 competitive juvenile clubs at football, nobody else can compete as they don't have the numbers or are badly organised, regional teams would be a solution so that everyone good enough could play division 1, the clubs are the problem, they don't want to change. Forward thinking people are sidelined." How many games would a Youths soccer team play in a year (season)? Seven is a shocking number. When I was that age, there was an eight team league, and then you had the championship on top. So, it seems it's going backwards.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 586 - 01/03/2023 12:21:02
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Replying To Carlowrising: "Conviently forgotten details to help shape your agenda:
2020 (Turlough): 1 win, 2 draws (Antrim & Waterford), 2 losses.
2020 (Carew): 1 win, 1 walk over v London.
'Covid' year 2021 (Carew): 2 wins, 1 loss.
2022 (Carew): Complete overhaul of panel. 3 pts
2023 (Carew): Signs of improvement, 3 pts so far" There are no details missing. 2021 was a write off year.
As for why Carew had to do a total rebuild in 2022: Ask yourself why? Why did so many senior players stop playing?
Laois had a 36 year old, who ironically is from Carlow, playing against us two weeks ago.
How old is Leitrim's Emlyn Mulligan? He can't be very young. I remember him scoring against us back in 2007 or 2008.
Why can't Carew get the older players to commit?
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 586 - 01/03/2023 12:27:39
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Replying To Overthebar53: "He also "forgot" to mention that turlough jumped ship in 2020 leaving everyone high and dry." Because of Covid. Which, given what was known at the time, was fair enough.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 586 - 01/03/2023 12:28:10
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Replying To carlo: "Don't know what to say about yesterday. 15 point loss to Leitrim?? No disrespect to Leitrim but I'd have them at about the same level as us so to lose by 15 points is a disaster. I was quietly confident after the laois game that we could win up there especially when I saw the team. One step forward & 10 steps back. As regards the discipline side of things getting 3 men sent off is a disgrace. I have been beating the discipline drum for a long time & it's actually getting worse. How do you expect to win when you can't keep 15 on the field? Man sent off against Wicklow, Laois & 3 yesterday. I wasn't at the game yesterday but from reading the posts it sounds like the game was already lost when we were reduced numbers so that makes it even worse. Use your heads as if the game is gone we will need everyone for the games going forward. Were they straight reds? If so we down more numbers for next week. Can't see things getting any better in short term." It was a total disgrace. We have serious structural issues, as a county. But so do Leitrim.
Getting 3 guys sent off and losing by 15 points is crazy. Only 5 years ago, we were beating Kildare in the championship and getting to a Leinster semi.
Hence my point, we need to play with what we have. And what we did between 2017 and 2019 worked.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 586 - 01/03/2023 12:30:09
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Replying To TaosHum: "It's not really comparing like for like though is it? Kildare has four times the population of Carlow, double the amount of clubs and greater resources. To give it perspective, Tullow and Bagenalstown are comparable to Kilcullen and Monasterevin in terms of size.
Expecting 7 clubs to be able to compete with Eire Og at juvenile level, most of which are small rural clubs, each year is unrealistic." Cork has more than *FIVE TIMES* the population of Kilkenny. Both counties are hurling mad.
Kilkenny have won ten All-Irelands since Cork last won one of their own.
It's only about population.
But you are onto something with the "expecting 7 clubs to be able to compete with Eire Og at juvenile level" point.
Perhaps Eire Og's size is part of the problem in Carlow?
They effectively have the pick of half the county. Because there is no limit to where they can pull players from inside the town (where half the county lives).
So, perhaps, limiting the power of Eire Og would make other teams less afraid of playing in the A grade, and also give more chaps from the town a chance to play?
Because there is a massive drop off rate in Carlow town, where lads can't get a game and just give up.
Kilkenny is in something like our situation, where the county town has a disproportionate percentage of the population. So they have a rule where O'Loughlin Gaels, Dicksboro and James Stephens are assigned their own areas.
What about trying this in Carlow? Let O'Hanrahan's have the "Cathedral Parish," where they are based. And split Asca (which has a much larger population), into Eire Og and Asca?
Exceptions would be made for players whose fathers played for a club outside the catchment area. So if you are from Highfield, but your dad played for Asca, you can play for them. Or vice versa, if Dereen Heights and your dad played for the Blues?
That would also apply if you lived in the town and your dad was from, say, Kildavin.
Because one of the most ludicrous things I see in underage Carlow football is chaps playing the Blues one year and then with Eire Og the next year. Making the latter stronger and the former weaker.
I saw it last year with a chap who was on the county under 14 development squad and whose dad had been a coach with O'Hanrahan's a couple of years ago.
My club is small and our pick is limited, but we have to face a club which has the entire of pick of half the county and is just hoovering up the town. It's totally unfair. And extremely detrimental to Carlow football.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 586 - 01/03/2023 12:41:51
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Replying To CARPS: "Cork has more than *FIVE TIMES* the population of Kilkenny. Both counties are hurling mad.
Kilkenny have won ten All-Irelands since Cork last won one of their own.
It's only about population.
But you are onto something with the "expecting 7 clubs to be able to compete with Eire Og at juvenile level" point.
Perhaps Eire Og's size is part of the problem in Carlow?
They effectively have the pick of half the county. Because there is no limit to where they can pull players from inside the town (where half the county lives).
So, perhaps, limiting the power of Eire Og would make other teams less afraid of playing in the A grade, and also give more chaps from the town a chance to play?
Because there is a massive drop off rate in Carlow town, where lads can't get a game and just give up.
Kilkenny is in something like our situation, where the county town has a disproportionate percentage of the population. So they have a rule where O'Loughlin Gaels, Dicksboro and James Stephens are assigned their own areas.
What about trying this in Carlow? Let O'Hanrahan's have the "Cathedral Parish," where they are based. And split Asca (which has a much larger population), into Eire Og and Asca?
Exceptions would be made for players whose fathers played for a club outside the catchment area. So if you are from Highfield, but your dad played for Asca, you can play for them. Or vice versa, if Dereen Heights and your dad played for the Blues?
That would also apply if you lived in the town and your dad was from, say, Kildavin.
Because one of the most ludicrous things I see in underage Carlow football is chaps playing the Blues one year and then with Eire Og the next year. Making the latter stronger and the former weaker.
I saw it last year with a chap who was on the county under 14 development squad and whose dad had been a coach with O'Hanrahan's a couple of years ago.
My club is small and our pick is limited, but we have to face a club which has the entire of pick of half the county and is just hoovering up the town. It's totally unfair. And extremely detrimental to Carlow football." Lads Eire Og may be part of the problem. But, there seems to be an unwritten policy to cut this small county in half, deciding the faith of players who want to play football for carlow by not giving them the opportunity at underage. Refer back to the early posts about selection of this years County u20 football panel. This very same panel got hammered out the gate by laois at minor level and manager when asked in the press why no MLR players were invited stated they weren't interested. A statement which was a lie and was forced to correct later!
This is going on for years with underage panels and now it's coming home to roost at senior level! To be fair to this years senior management they've scoured the county for lads, asked several players into panel that are committed to hurling, who by the way were never asked at underage level, Hense the problem…
Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 21 - 01/03/2023 13:36:54
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Replying To CARPS: "Cork has more than *FIVE TIMES* the population of Kilkenny. Both counties are hurling mad.
Kilkenny have won ten All-Irelands since Cork last won one of their own.
It's only about population.
But you are onto something with the "expecting 7 clubs to be able to compete with Eire Og at juvenile level" point.
Perhaps Eire Og's size is part of the problem in Carlow?
They effectively have the pick of half the county. Because there is no limit to where they can pull players from inside the town (where half the county lives).
So, perhaps, limiting the power of Eire Og would make other teams less afraid of playing in the A grade, and also give more chaps from the town a chance to play?
Because there is a massive drop off rate in Carlow town, where lads can't get a game and just give up.
Kilkenny is in something like our situation, where the county town has a disproportionate percentage of the population. So they have a rule where O'Loughlin Gaels, Dicksboro and James Stephens are assigned their own areas.
What about trying this in Carlow? Let O'Hanrahan's have the "Cathedral Parish," where they are based. And split Asca (which has a much larger population), into Eire Og and Asca?
Exceptions would be made for players whose fathers played for a club outside the catchment area. So if you are from Highfield, but your dad played for Asca, you can play for them. Or vice versa, if Dereen Heights and your dad played for the Blues?
That would also apply if you lived in the town and your dad was from, say, Kildavin.
Because one of the most ludicrous things I see in underage Carlow football is chaps playing the Blues one year and then with Eire Og the next year. Making the latter stronger and the former weaker.
I saw it last year with a chap who was on the county under 14 development squad and whose dad had been a coach with O'Hanrahan's a couple of years ago.
My club is small and our pick is limited, but we have to face a club which has the entire of pick of half the county and is just hoovering up the town. It's totally unfair. And extremely detrimental to Carlow football." not only about population, sorry.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 586 - 01/03/2023 14:40:54
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Replying To CARPS: "There are no details missing. 2021 was a write off year.
As for why Carew had to do a total rebuild in 2022: Ask yourself why? Why did so many senior players stop playing?
Laois had a 36 year old, who ironically is from Carlow, playing against us two weeks ago.
How old is Leitrim's Emlyn Mulligan? He can't be very young. I remember him scoring against us back in 2007 or 2008.
Why can't Carew get the older players to commit?" Having an opinion is one thing, but just making up false history that defies the facts makes you look very silly. In 2021 or the "write off year" as you refer to it, their was a change in structure to the league where divisions were split in to two groups North and south. Carlow beat Waterford & Wexford to finish top of the group where they progressed to play Louth in a promotional play-off game which Louth won. Carlow then played Longford in the 2021 Championship.
A lot of senior players then retired, many of which were well above the average retirement age for inter county players. I'm not sure exactly why you are looking for an older cohort of Carlow players to be involved when it's a young man's game but I'd say it might be another effort at bringing up how good things used to be in 2017-2019 .....zzzzzz.... The panel now has a great age profile with lots of youth and scope to kick on but will take time such is the nature of rebuilding a squad.
I'm not sure what older players in Carlow you'd like to see committing, Brendan Murphy hasn't played county football since before covid. The Tinryland elder statesmen seem to be at peace with their decision to retire and owe nothing to the cause. Sean Gannon retired altogether, no older players jump out at me.
Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 127 - 01/03/2023 16:18:52
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Replying To CARPS: "Because of Covid. Which, given what was known at the time, was fair enough." No. It wasn't. He abandoned them in the middle of the league. He could at least have had the decency to see the league and championship out.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 199 - 01/03/2023 18:49:36
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Replying To CARPS: "It was a total disgrace. We have serious structural issues, as a county. But so do Leitrim.
Getting 3 guys sent off and losing by 15 points is crazy. Only 5 years ago, we were beating Kildare in the championship and getting to a Leinster semi.
Hence my point, we need to play with what we have. And what we did between 2017 and 2019 worked." You forgot to mention that we also lost 3 times to a very average laois team playing a deplorable brand of football that was unwatchable
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 199 - 01/03/2023 19:00:49
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