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Replying To rorysboys: "People are realising now that we don't have this so called talent coming through. You look at mayo Tyrone Kerry Dublin they have a conveyor belt of talent coming through because they are successful at under age. We have only ever made one all Ireland minor final. Which for a county the size of Donegal is not good enough. You look at teams like Roscommon with a small population but are always producing good teams. For our size we should be winning multiple under age all irelands. But we're not every time we meet Tyrone at under age level we're guaranteed to get beaten. Bonner and r Gallagher were slated on here for not giving this so called talent game time. People might realise now that both of them were playing the best players available to them. . Last years Ulster final seems along while away now. We need every player making them selves available, l" Both things can be true. Our two best senior players so far this season were either completely snubbed or played out of position under Bonner. Any keen-eyed follower of club or Sigerson football would attest to that.
Granted, neither benefitted much, if at all, from Donegal's underage system.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 452 - 20/02/2023 13:57:51
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Replying To rorysboys: "People are realising now that we don't have this so called talent coming through. You look at mayo Tyrone Kerry Dublin they have a conveyor belt of talent coming through because they are successful at under age. We have only ever made one all Ireland minor final. Which for a county the size of Donegal is not good enough. You look at teams like Roscommon with a small population but are always producing good teams. For our size we should be winning multiple under age all irelands. But we're not every time we meet Tyrone at under age level we're guaranteed to get beaten. Bonner and r Gallagher were slated on here for not giving this so called talent game time. People might realise now that both of them were playing the best players available to them. . Last years Ulster final seems along while away now. We need every player making them selves available, l" your arguement on size is not a valid one as we are 13th in population size, we also face many more disadvantages such as the physical size of county, immigration etc. Antrim have the second biggest population and what have they done ?
Donegal have today as in the past a very good first 15 that could beat anyone on their day, however we do not have a great first 25 which is what the game has become.
The club scene in Donegal needs to change so that they learn to play more attacking less defensive football. without this how do you expect this to feed into the county performance.
My main gripe with Bonnar/Gallagher was tactics rather than not playing people.
ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 260 - 20/02/2023 13:58:38
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "Both things can be true. Our two best senior players so far this season were either completely snubbed or played out of position under Bonner. Any keen-eyed follower of club or Sigerson football would attest to that.
Granted, neither benefitted much, if at all, from Donegal's underage system." What two are you on about. I take it Conor o donnell is one. It was bonner that took him into the squad and he played a lot of games when fit last year.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2616 - 20/02/2023 14:16:36
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Replying To ulsterrules: "your arguement on size is not a valid one as we are 13th in population size, we also face many more disadvantages such as the physical size of county, immigration etc. Antrim have the second biggest population and what have they done ?
Donegal have today as in the past a very good first 15 that could beat anyone on their day, however we do not have a great first 25 which is what the game has become.
The club scene in Donegal needs to change so that they learn to play more attacking less defensive football. without this how do you expect this to feed into the county performance.
My main gripe with Bonnar/Gallagher was tactics rather than not playing people." How do you mean my argument on size is not a valid one. We have almost 100 thousand more people than Roscommon who lead div 1 and Monaghan who beat us yesterday. Come on now
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2616 - 20/02/2023 14:20:45
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Replying To AudiMan: "Hi TheFlaker: Proved correct yet again." I feel sorry for him. A great player on his day but he hasn't been fully fit for years. Thought giving him the captaincy was a strange choice. I don't think he will play again this year and if he does make it back it will be for a bit part.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8388 - 20/02/2023 14:25:26
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Replying To greenfan: "In the next few years we're going to pay the price for the neglect of our underage teams that has been ongoing for years. We have had no success at underage for years and the players we are bringing through aren't at the levels they need to be at. Dunno where people are getting the idea that we have all this talent available.
Just look at some of the new players in our team now, they're miles behind where they should be in terms of conditioning. I've watched the u20's in the last 2 weeks against Derry and Sligo, its clear their players are far stronger and far fitter than our u20's and have probably been on S+C programmes in a proper setup. We don't have a pathway for players to come through from underage, that's what the academy was supposed to provide and we all know how that's worked so far. Most of our current u20 panel were selected at trials in December, thrown into a squad with a management team that have no experience managing at any level." 100%. Our underage is **** show. That's why the academy needs to start up again.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 20/02/2023 14:39:43
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Replying To ulsterrules: "your arguement on size is not a valid one as we are 13th in population size, we also face many more disadvantages such as the physical size of county, immigration etc. Antrim have the second biggest population and what have they done ?
Donegal have today as in the past a very good first 15 that could beat anyone on their day, however we do not have a great first 25 which is what the game has become.
The club scene in Donegal needs to change so that they learn to play more attacking less defensive football. without this how do you expect this to feed into the county performance.
My main gripe with Bonnar/Gallagher was tactics rather than not playing people." Antrim is a very small GAA population for an obvious reason.
PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 264 - 20/02/2023 14:50:02
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Replying To Scenicparish: "Was in Clones today, thought we played wel enough in 1st half but had a few bad wides. Needed to be at least 3 or 4 points up playing against a strong breeze in the second half. Jamie Brennan's goal chance a huge turning point in the match when the sides were level.
We didn't deserve to loose by 8 points to be fair. Great to see Langan, Eoin Ban, Oisin and mogan back. Ciaran is still a huge loss around the middle. I think we will give a good account of ourselves against Galway next Sunday.
A word on Beggan today, outstanding goalkeeper. Scored two frees around the 45 in the first 15 minutes. Was involved in numerous other scores. Spent a lot of his time sweeping around his own 45 metre line and can kick a pass from 40 metres from open play with such accuracy.
Even if we are relegated to Division 2, and I'm not thowing in the towel just yet, it won't be the end of the world. It will take a couple of years to built a panel good enough to compete again. We HAVE to give the MANAGER and the younger PLAYERS a chance. Bar a few players it is a brand new team after all?" I think when an opposition keeper moves out to the empty space on the 45, Patton should kick long with our forwards ready to chase it, guaranteed that Patton will hit over, its then a 50:50 ball in front of an empty goal. We have had a enough time to learn from the mistakes of the last 2-3 seasons when opposition push up hard on Patton's kick-outs, we need to be more creative and innovative.
Obviously on windy days the long distance kick-outs are a non-runner, but we certainly have enough high fielders in the forwards and midfield to go head to head for midfield ball.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1344 - 20/02/2023 14:54:51
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Another disappointing defeat. Could it be the case that we're behind other teams fitness wise? Or do we need to face facts and realise that we are no longer a guaranteed Div 1 team?
I also believe that we've massively under-achieved with our underage teams. Our record is pretty poor in all honesty. I don't mean to be insutling to all the great people who have coached and managed our underage teams over the years but any success we've had generally came about by a golden generation emerging more so than anything planned. The Academy was supposed to address this issue. I think having a well oiled Academy is perhaps even more important in Donegal given that we don't have the same schools structure as counties in the rest of the province do.
I get people wanting to see Paddy Carr do well, as do I. I just think he may have taken on a bit of a poisoned chalice. There seems to be a lot of fundamental issues that need to be sorted out first. It could be the case that things will get a lot worse before they start to get better. Hoping I'm wrong though.
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Replying To AudiMan: "Hi TheFlaker: Proved correct yet again." the dogs in the street knew the injury was serious. I don't understand this cloak and dagger stuff from management where they can't just come out and say that, and they can't give an honest update on other injuries. This nonsense of putting out a 26 player matchday squad containing injured players, and then changing it at the last minute. Clearly, its achieving nothing.
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Replying To SouthOfTheGap: "https://donegalgaa.ie/39963-2/
The Official Donegal Gaa account has posted just now that Paddy will undergo a fitness test on Sunday morning to see if he's fit to play.
As that is an Official County Board communicae, it looks like Paddy will be out for a long time." Very, very strange is all that can be said about this.
ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 748 - 20/02/2023 15:25:53
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Replying To greenfan: "the dogs in the street knew the injury was serious. I don't understand this cloak and dagger stuff from management where they can't just come out and say that, and they can't give an honest update on other injuries. This nonsense of putting out a 26 player matchday squad containing injured players, and then changing it at the last minute. Clearly, its achieving nothing." I've often wondered this myself. What is the point of it at all? Trying to be cute? I'd understand it to some extent if it was the lead up to an Ulster or All Ireland final. But for a league game? When everyone and his dog knew that Paddy was out.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9766 - 20/02/2023 16:05:10
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Bonner named Paddy McGrath as a sub for an entire year and got no game time. I doubt he was even able to play. It's complete nonsense, when there's young fellas who you could name on the bench instead. I think we're in for an awful season. These players just don't seem motivated, fit enough or sharp enough. It's probably not a nice thing to say, but I felt a bit of relief when Paddy's injury was announced as his scoring return was too poor, and Carr I don't think would have the courage to bench him.
StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 143 - 20/02/2023 16:49:21
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I've often wondered this myself. What is the point of it at all? Trying to be cute? I'd understand it to some extent if it was the lead up to an Ulster or All Ireland final. But for a league game? When everyone and his dog knew that Paddy was out." The program was just a reprint of the Tyrone game.Langan,Gallen or Eoghan Ban were not listed.
For Monaghan McManus,Hughes or McCarron were not in the program either.I would say the programs are printed early in week before teams are finalised Just keep a pen handy.What did yous think of having the draw ticket as part of the program. 5Euro.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1153 - 20/02/2023 17:35:35
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Replying To rorysboys: "What two are you on about. I take it Conor o donnell is one. It was bonner that took him into the squad and he played a lot of games when fit last year." Mark Curran and Dáire Ó Baoill are the two standouts for me, but yes Conor O'Donnell also been superb and could argue he's been the best of the lot.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 452 - 20/02/2023 19:11:10
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Replying To farneygael: "Monaghan just had a bit too much come the last 20, but a lot of that was down to bringing back the experience of the likes of Darren Hughes, who still is vital to monaghan.
Depending what each counties trainings are like and where they are at could have a to to say in why we finished stronger.
Unfortunately, the days of Monaghan and Donegal being the stars of ulster are behind us, for now anyway.
Best of luck to Donegal for the rest of the league and beyond." When was it that Monaghan were the stars of Ulster again?
greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 441 - 20/02/2023 19:29:28
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Carr stuck in the same programme as the first two games. I have no issue with that to be honest although it would be nice to see a proper team named but can see why coaches don't do it. Look at Dublin yesterday, three changes prior to throw in. Monaghan has several changes also so all teams are at it.
Apparently they only got confirmed word that Mc Brearty was out prior to the throw in or a day before so that could be the reason he didn't go under a fitness test etc and why county board came out with statement maybe. But all in all, in reality he was never going to play.
Any word on Ryan and Ciaran ?
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 20/02/2023 19:55:59
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Replying To TheRock2121: "Carr stuck in the same programme as the first two games. I have no issue with that to be honest although it would be nice to see a proper team named but can see why coaches don't do it. Look at Dublin yesterday, three changes prior to throw in. Monaghan has several changes also so all teams are at it.
Apparently they only got confirmed word that Mc Brearty was out prior to the throw in or a day before so that could be the reason he didn't go under a fitness test etc and why county board came out with statement maybe. But all in all, in reality he was never going to play.
Any word on Ryan and Ciaran ?" He was never in line to play, or even have a fitness test.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8388 - 21/02/2023 10:00:52
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County board meeting last night, any update on the academy situation? Nearly 3 weeks now.
ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 748 - 21/02/2023 14:27:31
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Replying To heyday: "There was a candidate there waiting to take the job then the pulled out due to certain issues ,thats what created the problem.Not just the county board." Issues imposed on him by the county board after he had already taken the job
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