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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Good memory! Yeah 16 clubs (4x4) in 2011, but only Carrickedmond technically relegated after losing the relegation playoff final to Mullinalaghta. CB then restructured the championship in 2012 to have 12 clubs. Cashel, Rathcline, Granard and Ardagh were all regraded to join Carrickedmond in Intermediate, with Killashee promoted to Senior as Intermediate champions. Connollys tried to regrade close to the start of the championship, because they were struggling with numbers due to emigration at the time (Troika era), but CB refused. When you think about a 16-club senior championship with only 24 clubs in the county at the time, that was just nuts!

Does anyone know why the two clubs relegated in 2013 didn't go down?"
I think there was a point of order that you couldn't be relegated from championship on scoring difference. Not 100% sure on this but memory tells me Father Manning Gaels raised the issue

NorthLongfordforlife (Longford) - Posts: 4 - 07/12/2022 13:58:04    2449762

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The appeal on scoring difference grounds does sound familiar alright.

iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 158 - 07/12/2022 15:45:26    2449775

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Here's an attempt at number of clubs in senior championship each year since 2010 with a count of number of clubs in the county (at the time) in brackets. I think this is right, but happy to be corrected.

2010: 15 (24)
2011: 16 (24)
2012: 12 (24)
2013: 12 (24)
2014: 10 (24)
2015: 12 (24)
2016: 13 (24)
2017: 13 (23)
2018: 11 (22)
2019: 14 (21)
2020: 12 (21)
2021: 12 (21)
2022: 12 (21)
2023: 12 (21)"
That's interesting. I'd love to see a record of this over a longer period of time. Its probably difficult to find that information.

10 is probably the right number right now but its a figure that would create difficulty if you try to run the championship based groups with even numbers. I think that the two groups of 6 was great last year other than the fact the Killashee were a no show. Had it been Fr Manning Gaels in there place then I don't think they'd be an issue. Maybe Ballymahon if they go up will account for themselves better. If they don't go up then the County Board probably should take the bull by the horns and look to bring the senior championship back to 10 teams.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 07/12/2022 16:00:21    2449776

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Replying To Mull93:  "That's interesting. I'd love to see a record of this over a longer period of time. Its probably difficult to find that information.

10 is probably the right number right now but its a figure that would create difficulty if you try to run the championship based groups with even numbers. I think that the two groups of 6 was great last year other than the fact the Killashee were a no show. Had it been Fr Manning Gaels in there place then I don't think they'd be an issue. Maybe Ballymahon if they go up will account for themselves better. If they don't go up then the County Board probably should take the bull by the horns and look to bring the senior championship back to 10 teams."
12 is to many even 10 is pushing it. There is 8 senior clubs in this county max. Teams not able to make the jump when they win intermediate and junior and get hammered in leinster. Agree with the poster the county board needs to take bull by the horns but it wont happen

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 191 - 07/12/2022 17:30:35    2449786

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Replying To iluvspuds:  "The appeal on scoring difference grounds does sound familiar alright."
The scoring average debate came into play during the OPEN draw championship where each team only played 3 or 4 rounds. The arguement 9correct) was that scoring averages could not be used since everyone did not play each other.

As far as I know scoring averages is valid in the 4 x 4 groups as each team within the various groups plays each other therefore no disadvantage.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 218 - 07/12/2022 18:07:49    2449789

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Anyone able to confirm the Anthony Cunningham to Mullinalaghta rumours?

Dodgy_Pass (Leitrim) - Posts: 359 - 07/12/2022 19:49:33    2449798

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8 senior teams at the moment max is a100% the way forward, if Ballymahon decide to go senior they will come straight back down, and if they decide to stay what is the point in trying to win a championship!
again who ever wins intermediate in 2023 will also be straight back down in 2024, its going to be one of Kenagh, FMG, Connollys, Ardagh, Killashee! who at the moment are all average inter teams!
the CB need to start doing things for the future, we have 21 clubs which means 12 senior clubs is utter madness.

Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 40 - 08/12/2022 10:17:05    2449817

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Replying To Garmin:  "8 senior teams at the moment max is a100% the way forward, if Ballymahon decide to go senior they will come straight back down, and if they decide to stay what is the point in trying to win a championship!
again who ever wins intermediate in 2023 will also be straight back down in 2024, its going to be one of Kenagh, FMG, Connollys, Ardagh, Killashee! who at the moment are all average inter teams!
the CB need to start doing things for the future, we have 21 clubs which means 12 senior clubs is utter madness."
Agree with this.
Senior - Mullinalachta, Killoe, Colmcille, Slashers, Abbeylara, Dromard, Edgeworthstown, Clonguish/Rathcline

Intermediate - Granard, Clonguish/Rathcline, Carrickedmond, Drumlish, Ballymahon, Balinalee, Kilashee, Ardagh Moydow

Junior - Cashel, Kenagh, Grattens, Legan, Ballymore, Killoe 2, Slashers 2, Clonguish 2

Junior 2 - Same process with second teams of clubs

This process would make championships much more competitive and fair in my opinion, with promoted teams having a much greater chance of competing each year.

ball1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 13 - 08/12/2022 10:43:59    2449822

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Replying To slasher9:  "12 is to many even 10 is pushing it. There is 8 senior clubs in this county max. Teams not able to make the jump when they win intermediate and junior and get hammered in leinster. Agree with the poster the county board needs to take bull by the horns but it wont happen"
Completely agree. 8 is the right number. The perception of Intermediate needs to change too. It's not the end of the world to get relegated, get your house in order and coming back up later. Relegation somehow got painted over the years as a fate worse than death for some clubs. It's not. Strengthen Intermediate by having more of today's 'senior' clubs in there, and accept that many more clubs will move between grades more often. Better competition will produce Intermediate champions who are unlikely to yoyo up and down so much, and will fare better when they do get promoted. If CB had gone to 8 for Senior after this season, Clonguish, Granard, Carrickedmond and Killashee would all have made the drop (and 1 more to allow Ballymahon up). Would have made for a very competitive Intermediate next year. With no changes at CB at tonight's convention, unlikely any bull will have to worry about their horns for a while yet.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 287 - 08/12/2022 11:06:04    2449824

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The appetite is not there for the changes that are required. The county board are happy with how it is because gate receipts show that more people attend matches when it's "senior" rather than intermediate or junior and clubs are not willing to push it because they are either fearful they are the ones to go down or might be in the near future. I would not be surprised if we go down in the next year or two as transition happens with very young players coming in. It's no big deal and clubs need to get over it and I would include my own club people in that many would be distraught at the thought. Quick they are to forget how bad of a junior team we were in the 90s! This is one of the reasons why I think the Kerry amalgamation system would be a good compromise.

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 08/12/2022 11:42:37    2449836

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Replying To ball1:  "Agree with this.
Senior - Mullinalachta, Killoe, Colmcille, Slashers, Abbeylara, Dromard, Edgeworthstown, Clonguish/Rathcline

Intermediate - Granard, Clonguish/Rathcline, Carrickedmond, Drumlish, Ballymahon, Balinalee, Kilashee, Ardagh Moydow

Junior - Cashel, Kenagh, Grattens, Legan, Ballymore, Killoe 2, Slashers 2, Clonguish 2

Junior 2 - Same process with second teams of clubs

This process would make championships much more competitive and fair in my opinion, with promoted teams having a much greater chance of competing each year."
I understand that you might not follow Longford football that closely, being from Roscommon, but you have Clonguish in a Junior 1 championship when, from what I can recall, they struggled to put out second teams last year. Colmcille would be one of the better teams in Junior 1.

Clonguishs first team on current form over the last number of years would be intermediate if there were to be only 8 teams at senior. Rathcline would be senior.

Kenagh would also be intermediate, lots of good young players and unlucky to lose to Fr Manning Gaels in semi-final last year. with Ardagh Moydow going down to junior 1 if there were were restructured.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 08/12/2022 12:48:51    2449854

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Last time 12 Senior clubs for next season were not playing at Senior grade.

Ballymahon - 2022
Rathcline - 2018
Carrickedmond - 2014
Granard - 2012
Mullinalaghta - 2007
Clonguish - 1997
Abbeylara - 1994
Dromard - 1995
Colmcille - 1986
Killoe - 1977
Mostrim - 1967
Slashers - Always Senior!

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 287 - 08/12/2022 13:07:44    2449858

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Replying To Mull93:  "I understand that you might not follow Longford football that closely, being from Roscommon, but you have Clonguish in a Junior 1 championship when, from what I can recall, they struggled to put out second teams last year. Colmcille would be one of the better teams in Junior 1.

Clonguishs first team on current form over the last number of years would be intermediate if there were to be only 8 teams at senior. Rathcline would be senior.

Kenagh would also be intermediate, lots of good young players and unlucky to lose to Fr Manning Gaels in semi-final last year. with Ardagh Moydow going down to junior 1 if there were were restructured."
Understand Clonguish struggled last year in junior but lost after extra time in the semi final to Killoe the previous year i recall?
The structure is just a baseline of how it may work. Just included clonguish as i was following a fellow rossie the previous two years.
Whether its Clonguish/Rathcline , Ardagh/Kenagh its the system i was implying more in comparison to the actual teams.

ball1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 13 - 08/12/2022 13:07:45    2449859

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Replying To ball1:  "Understand Clonguish struggled last year in junior but lost after extra time in the semi final to Killoe the previous year i recall?
The structure is just a baseline of how it may work. Just included clonguish as i was following a fellow rossie the previous two years.
Whether its Clonguish/Rathcline , Ardagh/Kenagh its the system i was implying more in comparison to the actual teams."
Its great to have you here. You have obviously realised that Longford football is the best seeing as all your posts have been in the Longford thread :-)

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 08/12/2022 13:19:20    2449863

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "The appetite is not there for the changes that are required. The county board are happy with how it is because gate receipts show that more people attend matches when it's "senior" rather than intermediate or junior and clubs are not willing to push it because they are either fearful they are the ones to go down or might be in the near future. I would not be surprised if we go down in the next year or two as transition happens with very young players coming in. It's no big deal and clubs need to get over it and I would include my own club people in that many would be distraught at the thought. Quick they are to forget how bad of a junior team we were in the 90s! This is one of the reasons why I think the Kerry amalgamation system would be a good compromise."
i see roscommon are going with this now aswel. interesting!!

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 191 - 08/12/2022 14:12:46    2449870

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Yes, we are going with divisional teams next year which is going to be interesting. From what I gather, Clonguish struggled last year at Junior because they had a good few senior players retire and the junior players had to make the move up. Because of a new rule, the retired senior players were not allowed to play Junior.

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 819 - 08/12/2022 18:34:44    2449894

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Heard all mullinaghta players back in for county is this true or bull.

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 34 - 08/12/2022 21:29:34    2449905

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Replying To Gaaforlife2023:  "Heard all mullinaghta players back in for county is this true or bull."
A good chunk are back in i believe yes. Not sure about John Keegan?

honda15 (Longford) - Posts: 34 - 09/12/2022 09:56:31    2449913

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Replying To Oddball:  "Yes, we are going with divisional teams next year which is going to be interesting. From what I gather, Clonguish struggled last year at Junior because they had a good few senior players retire and the junior players had to make the move up. Because of a new rule, the retired senior players were not allowed to play Junior."
Do you see any problems arising with it in Roscommon? What is your club, how do you see it affecting them?

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 103 - 09/12/2022 10:34:49    2449922

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Replying To Oddball:  "Yes, we are going with divisional teams next year which is going to be interesting. From what I gather, Clonguish struggled last year at Junior because they had a good few senior players retire and the junior players had to make the move up. Because of a new rule, the retired senior players were not allowed to play Junior."
In effect a rule was introduced to stop two particular players from playing. Of course this wasn't mentioned when our board's Judge Judy was handing out sentences for walkovers

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 09/12/2022 10:58:13    2449925

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