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Replying To martinjoe: "Mulligan like it or not is still the best footballer in Leitrim, although well past his best I agree. Andy should be starting to play the first half rather than bringing him on. While for supporters promotion is the big prize I think Andy is thinking about the Connacht final . NY have not had an intercounty game in a year and a handy win there (NY have NEVER won an intercounty game) will have ye favs to see off London/Sligo." Pretty much your complete post is utter nonsense.
1. Mulligan is not the best footballer in Leitrim. Not even close. I have no idea why he was invited back into the panel and is now getting gametime ahead of lads who have been at it since before Christmas.
2. Moran i highly highly doubt will be putting a place in a Connacht final ahead of promotion. If he has done and that is the No.1 goal for the year then that is complete madness.
3. No bookie in the land will have us as Favs to see off Sligo (they will beat London) in a provincial SF should WE beat NY.
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See a lot of comments about Emlyn Mulligan. Is this his third or fourth time coming back?
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I dunno what I'm more shocked by: losing to Wicklow, I'd kind of written them off as contenders, or RTE actually showing a point from the game on the 9:00 news last night. But seriously, it's a major dent in Leitrim's promotion hopes. We're finished I think if we drop any points to Laois or Sligo. If we beat them both, we finish on 10 points, and the most both of them can finish on will also be 10 points. And they probably will, with Sligo playing Carlow and Laois playing London. So it'll be head to head (which we'd win) or else three-way scoring difference. And of course Wicklow (vs Wexford & Waterford) could finish on 11 yet. If we draw a game and win a game, we'll be on 9, the team we draw with will probably finish on 11, with the other team probably on 10.
So in short, we're not finished but we're clinging on. We need 4 points from our last two games and hopefully boost our scoring difference too, and hope for favours elsewhere.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 06/03/2023 14:24:37
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Replying To juande_ramos: "Pretty much your complete post is utter nonsense.
1. Mulligan is not the best footballer in Leitrim. Not even close. I have no idea why he was invited back into the panel and is now getting gametime ahead of lads who have been at it since before Christmas.
2. Moran i highly highly doubt will be putting a place in a Connacht final ahead of promotion. If he has done and that is the No.1 goal for the year then that is complete madness.
3. No bookie in the land will have us as Favs to see off Sligo (they will beat London) in a provincial SF should WE beat NY." From Wikipedia: Emlyn Mulligan is a Gaelic footballer from County Leitrim who plays for the Sligo based St Mary's club and for the Leitrim county team. A top class free-taker, he scored 1-34 in the 2008 National Football League. The high point of his career came in captaining Leitrim to the FBD Insurance League in 2013 - though it a notable achievement in this case as it was only Leitrim's fourth ever trophy and their first since 1994. He is widely considered as one of the greatest ever players to grace the Connacht championship.[1]
martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 499 - 06/03/2023 14:35:46
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Replying To oneoff: "See a lot of comments about Emlyn Mulligan. Is this his third or fourth time coming back?" Not getting enough attention it seems away from the limelight
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Replying To martinjoe: "Mulligan like it or not is still the best footballer in Leitrim, although well past his best I agree. Andy should be starting to play the first half rather than bringing him on. While for supporters promotion is the big prize I think Andy is thinking about the Connacht final . NY have not had an intercounty game in a year and a handy win there (NY have NEVER won an intercounty game) will have ye favs to see off London/Sligo." He is the best footballer in Leitrim?? Have you seen him play recently or in fact seen Leitrim play recently for you to make such a daft suggestion? He is not even the best player for his club (which is actually in Sligo these days). He has moved more times than I move my car.
Leitrimdivide (Leitrim) - Posts: 84 - 06/03/2023 15:04:11
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "I dunno what I'm more shocked by: losing to Wicklow, I'd kind of written them off as contenders, or RTE actually showing a point from the game on the 9:00 news last night. But seriously, it's a major dent in Leitrim's promotion hopes. We're finished I think if we drop any points to Laois or Sligo. If we beat them both, we finish on 10 points, and the most both of them can finish on will also be 10 points. And they probably will, with Sligo playing Carlow and Laois playing London. So it'll be head to head (which we'd win) or else three-way scoring difference. And of course Wicklow (vs Wexford & Waterford) could finish on 11 yet. If we draw a game and win a game, we'll be on 9, the team we draw with will probably finish on 11, with the other team probably on 10.
So in short, we're not finished but we're clinging on. We need 4 points from our last two games and hopefully boost our scoring difference too, and hope for favours elsewhere." We aren't finished yet either but we need a few results go our way. If we win our last 2 we will finish ahead of Wicklow on head to head. We would you to beat Sligo and lose to Laois. And hope Carlow beat Sligo. Or you to beat Laois and lose to Sligo and hope London beat Laois. Or for us and yourselves to go up we'd need you to win both and hope Sligo lose to Carlow and London beat Laois.
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "I dunno what I'm more shocked by: losing to Wicklow, I'd kind of written them off as contenders, or RTE actually showing a point from the game on the 9:00 news last night. But seriously, it's a major dent in Leitrim's promotion hopes. We're finished I think if we drop any points to Laois or Sligo. If we beat them both, we finish on 10 points, and the most both of them can finish on will also be 10 points. And they probably will, with Sligo playing Carlow and Laois playing London. So it'll be head to head (which we'd win) or else three-way scoring difference. And of course Wicklow (vs Wexford & Waterford) could finish on 11 yet. If we draw a game and win a game, we'll be on 9, the team we draw with will probably finish on 11, with the other team probably on 10.
So in short, we're not finished but we're clinging on. We need 4 points from our last two games and hopefully boost our scoring difference too, and hope for favours elsewhere." We aren't finished yet either but we need a few results go our way. If we win our last 2 we will finish ahead of Wicklow on head to head. We would you to beat Sligo and lose to Laois. And hope Carlow beat Sligo. Or you to beat Laois and lose to Sligo and hope London beat Laois. Or for us and yourselves to go up we'd need you to win both and hope Sligo lose to Carlow and London beat Laois.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 06/03/2023 15:19:11
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There is a trend of teams outscoring us on the home stretch when we appeared to be in control. (5 to 6 unanswered points) London, Wexford and now Wicklow.
Is it fitness, wrong substitutions or (and I hate saying this) lack of game management when it looks like the other team has a gallop on. Someone needs to hit the deck with that dodgy hamstring or cramp and break momentum. Again, it's not the most honourable thing but you have to do what you have to do. (E.g. Mayo keeper yesterday after conceding).
I couldn't make the game (thank you all for the write ups) but as an aging club player myself, I wondered what Mulligan would bring. This thread might look like a witch hunt now but I'd have him in to settle down a game where we are ahead and need to keep possession and see it out. Not to chase a game.
If Declan Maxwell was told to tog out and thrown in around the square and rain ball on him, I think we'd have accepted it more ! Thinking K.Donaghy knock to Clifford v Monaghan in his last season.
We are so reliant on K.Beirne and whilst he's a class act, it's not sustainable. The points made by Greenman94 said it all, so I won't repeat. It's such a pity as we have savage travelling support but these results mean we have to look at all these players that we have lost or can't hold on to and manage our expectations accordingly.
Anyways, as people have said, it's not gone yet and it's still doable but history is the best predictor of future behavior.
Hope to make the final Sligo game with still all to play for.
Well done Aidan Flynn after the sight of his elbow in Páirc Seán.
Also well done to the Leitrim Ladies.
Keep the heads up and continue to support them especially at home in Carrick….and try bring along a '+ one' ..maybe one of those ones in the county that stay "Well I wouldn't go to see them if they were in the front garden….bla bla bla"
Liatroim Abú
Mugatay (Leitrim) - Posts: 157 - 06/03/2023 15:28:40
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On another note, what are people's thoughts on spending the night away in these places the evening before? Is it better to do this or sleep in your own familiar bed and then head to where ever the team meets up beforehand.
Just curious as I know they stay down in Wexford and the likes. I know I don't sleep 100% the first night in a hotel bed and wouldn't like to play a county game the next day but that could be just me !
Comments of lads looking tired and heavy legged fuelling this post.
Mugatay (Leitrim) - Posts: 157 - 06/03/2023 15:32:07
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Replying To Leitrimdivide: "Not getting enough attention it seems away from the limelight" That's not really helpful either
Mugatay (Leitrim) - Posts: 157 - 06/03/2023 15:36:28
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Moran has been unlucky this year. Both games against Wexford and Wicklow were there for the taking with 15 mins to go and I can't help but this if Ryan O Rourke, David Bruen, Tom Prior, Conor Dolan and Benny Flynn were available we would more less be promoted having won the
First 5 games and an even bigger score difference. However this isn't the case and having attended all games to date I worry about the fitness levels as London should have bet us with 14 players for the last 15 mins and Wexford ran us into the ground in the last 15 mins again yesterday 15 mins left Wicklow took over and scored points in a row against the wind.
On Riordan o Rourke he started all games accept Carlow and tbf I didn't really notice him on the field so he obviously wasn't standing out good or bad. To me he's not a team player of the first game he doesn't get on the pitch and decides to throw in the towel. That has been the problem with Leitrim football over the years and it's time that kind of stuff is stamped out.
Mulligan has gave so much Service to this county and for him to get a few mins against Carlow when the game was over is no harm and he was bought on for 2 mins yesterday I assume to try and supply a pass inside to Keith of Donal who had drifted in.
Lost of work to be done over the next month in preparation for NY. Andy is the right man for the Job and hopefully stays on for a few more years however he may need to look at changing his S&C team if we continue to be out of legs with 15 mins left
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Replying To Mugatay: "There is a trend of teams outscoring us on the home stretch when we appeared to be in control. (5 to 6 unanswered points) London, Wexford and now Wicklow.
Is it fitness, wrong substitutions or (and I hate saying this) lack of game management when it looks like the other team has a gallop on. Someone needs to hit the deck with that dodgy hamstring or cramp and break momentum. Again, it's not the most honourable thing but you have to do what you have to do. (E.g. Mayo keeper yesterday after conceding).
I couldn't make the game (thank you all for the write ups) but as an aging club player myself, I wondered what Mulligan would bring. This thread might look like a witch hunt now but I'd have him in to settle down a game where we are ahead and need to keep possession and see it out. Not to chase a game.
If Declan Maxwell was told to tog out and thrown in around the square and rain ball on him, I think we'd have accepted it more ! Thinking K.Donaghy knock to Clifford v Monaghan in his last season.
We are so reliant on K.Beirne and whilst he's a class act, it's not sustainable. The points made by Greenman94 said it all, so I won't repeat. It's such a pity as we have savage travelling support but these results mean we have to look at all these players that we have lost or can't hold on to and manage our expectations accordingly.
Anyways, as people have said, it's not gone yet and it's still doable but history is the best predictor of future behavior.
Hope to make the final Sligo game with still all to play for.
Well done Aidan Flynn after the sight of his elbow in Páirc Seán.
Also well done to the Leitrim Ladies.
Keep the heads up and continue to support them especially at home in Carrick….and try bring along a '+ one' ..maybe one of those ones in the county that stay "Well I wouldn't go to see them if they were in the front garden….bla bla bla"
Liatroim Abú" I definitely think fitness is an issue, strength and conditioning in general. When Andy got the job it was the one thing I was hoping to see a big improvement in, I was hoping he could (in time) bring us up to the levels required to be competitive in the modern game and any improvement has been very small if any.
We are way behind our neighbours Cavan and Sligo for example. I was at the Carlow game and the amount of times our lads brought the ball into contact and got turned over was criminal.
The modern game is a running game and we are way off! The reality is we are a division 4 team I haven't seen enough to suggest we could compete any higher.
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "I dunno what I'm more shocked by: losing to Wicklow, I'd kind of written them off as contenders, or RTE actually showing a point from the game on the 9:00 news last night. But seriously, it's a major dent in Leitrim's promotion hopes. We're finished I think if we drop any points to Laois or Sligo. If we beat them both, we finish on 10 points, and the most both of them can finish on will also be 10 points. And they probably will, with Sligo playing Carlow and Laois playing London. So it'll be head to head (which we'd win) or else three-way scoring difference. And of course Wicklow (vs Wexford & Waterford) could finish on 11 yet. If we draw a game and win a game, we'll be on 9, the team we draw with will probably finish on 11, with the other team probably on 10.
So in short, we're not finished but we're clinging on. We need 4 points from our last two games and hopefully boost our scoring difference too, and hope for favours elsewhere." You wouldn't be the first and hopefully not the last supporter of a fancied team to suffer a "shock" in Aughrim. I suppose really after the victory over Laois a few warning signs were there. Having said that, I think Wicklow's gifting a point to Carlow first day out will come back to bite them in the bum before this division is sorted. Wicklow have always had a few top class performers, just like Leitrim but we never seem to have enough at the same time to make an impact, unlike Leitrim, who have a few honours to their name. In truth, many of the "weaker"counties are starting to produce fine crops of younger players and hopefully these "weaker" teams can soon start producing more shocks like yesterdays.
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Replying To 3rdmidfielder: "I definitely think fitness is an issue, strength and conditioning in general. When Andy got the job it was the one thing I was hoping to see a big improvement in, I was hoping he could (in time) bring us up to the levels required to be competitive in the modern game and any improvement has been very small if any.
We are way behind our neighbours Cavan and Sligo for example. I was at the Carlow game and the amount of times our lads brought the ball into contact and got turned over was criminal.
The modern game is a running game and we are way off! The reality is we are a division 4 team I haven't seen enough to suggest we could compete any higher." Agree after yesterday and watching a few games last year that they are miles behind in terms of strength and conditioning.
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Replying To Freethinker: "You wouldn't be the first and hopefully not the last supporter of a fancied team to suffer a "shock" in Aughrim. I suppose really after the victory over Laois a few warning signs were there. Having said that, I think Wicklow's gifting a point to Carlow first day out will come back to bite them in the bum before this division is sorted. Wicklow have always had a few top class performers, just like Leitrim but we never seem to have enough at the same time to make an impact, unlike Leitrim, who have a few honours to their name. In truth, many of the "weaker"counties are starting to produce fine crops of younger players and hopefully these "weaker" teams can soon start producing more shocks like yesterdays." To be fair to most Leitrim supporters yesterday wasn't a shock, Wicklow deserved their win.All we can do is try and win our last 2 games to have any chance of going up.
masseyferguson (Leitrim) - Posts: 96 - 07/03/2023 13:52:45
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Replying To williesboy: "Agree after yesterday and watching a few games last year that they are miles behind in terms of strength and conditioning." It takes a few years to really see S&C improvements in a team. Players have to have the discipline to stick to the programme in the off season both in terms of gym work and diet. It is very difficult for players from division 4 to motivate themselves to adhere to the same regime as players who have a realistic chance of winning an All Ireland medal. Most Leitrim supporters and indeed players I believe would agree that promotion to division 3 would be the very most they could achieve in 2023, and still may. Perhaps that prize is not sufficient for them to make the sacrifices required in order to compete with those are in the privileged position of belonging to counties that have the numbers and expectation to compete for the biggest prize.
martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 499 - 07/03/2023 14:31:04
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Replying To martinjoe: "It takes a few years to really see S&C improvements in a team. Players have to have the discipline to stick to the programme in the off season both in terms of gym work and diet. It is very difficult for players from division 4 to motivate themselves to adhere to the same regime as players who have a realistic chance of winning an All Ireland medal. Most Leitrim supporters and indeed players I believe would agree that promotion to division 3 would be the very most they could achieve in 2023, and still may. Perhaps that prize is not sufficient for them to make the sacrifices required in order to compete with those are in the privileged position of belonging to counties that have the numbers and expectation to compete for the biggest prize." Bizarre that a Mayo supporter needs to come on to a Leitrim page to talk about what a Leitrim player may or may not be doing in order to protect Sloan/Moran from criticism.
The reality is that Moran/Sloan have brought huge benefits to Leitrim football - With increased professionalism and a know how of what has to be done.
Our S&C is more than good enough and the lads have been buying into it as a whole but when you are down approx 15 players for various reasons in an already short of pick county of course there are going to be some players who are not up to scratch talent wise or with S&C.
My main gripe with Moran and Co is there lack of experience has shone through with their team selections and in-game substitutions. This has been the case since the first league game last year. We haven't had a settled defence in two years for example. There use of forwards as Wing back/Sweepers does not only not suit the players they have chosen for the roles but also shows a lack of respect for division four that they thought they could get away with it.
It has to be said that Donal Wrynn has been desperately lagging come the last 15 mins of games which is fine as he is a big man who does trojan work. But for some reason he is never replaced with fresh legs and other players seemed to be taken off in each game no matter how well they play. This along with other breaches of discipline over the two years cannot be good for squad harmony. But if you speak to any of the players involved they all love the set up.
Think we need to be sensible with our team selection the next day and grind out a win.
Maxwell
Maguire Diffley T.Quinn (Reynolds has been struggling positionally)
Aidan Flynn Casey Shane Quinn
Dolan
Keaney
Rooney Heslin Plunkett
Sweeney Beirne O.McLoughlin
Leitrim1234 (Leitrim) - Posts: 297 - 07/03/2023 15:44:48
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Replying To Leitrim1234: "Bizarre that a Mayo supporter needs to come on to a Leitrim page to talk about what a Leitrim player may or may not be doing in order to protect Sloan/Moran from criticism.
The reality is that Moran/Sloan have brought huge benefits to Leitrim football - With increased professionalism and a know how of what has to be done.
Our S&C is more than good enough and the lads have been buying into it as a whole but when you are down approx 15 players for various reasons in an already short of pick county of course there are going to be some players who are not up to scratch talent wise or with S&C.
My main gripe with Moran and Co is there lack of experience has shone through with their team selections and in-game substitutions. This has been the case since the first league game last year. We haven't had a settled defence in two years for example. There use of forwards as Wing back/Sweepers does not only not suit the players they have chosen for the roles but also shows a lack of respect for division four that they thought they could get away with it.
It has to be said that Donal Wrynn has been desperately lagging come the last 15 mins of games which is fine as he is a big man who does trojan work. But for some reason he is never replaced with fresh legs and other players seemed to be taken off in each game no matter how well they play. This along with other breaches of discipline over the two years cannot be good for squad harmony. But if you speak to any of the players involved they all love the set up.
Think we need to be sensible with our team selection the next day and grind out a win.
Maxwell
Maguire Diffley T.Quinn (Reynolds has been struggling positionally)
Aidan Flynn Casey Shane Quinn
Dolan
Keaney
Rooney Heslin Plunkett
Sweeney Beirne O.McLoughlin" Ya Donal was clearly blowing steam in the last 10 minutes in London. He was out on his feet and I wasn't surprised as he's a big unit and he was up and down the field all game winning ball, breaking ball and chipping in with a vital goal
At the end he was cramping up and needed assistance stretching. The reality is, we probably don't have anyone to bring on that can do the same job lets say the way you see a forward coming on for a forward in Rugby on the hour mark.
Its where we are at in itself.
But there has been no need to mention Dead Rubber yet thankfully. We have to rattle Laois when they come to Carrick and let them know they are in a game from the start. They'll bring no support worth a damn at least.
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Replying To masseyferguson: "To be fair to most Leitrim supporters yesterday wasn't a shock, Wicklow deserved their win.All we can do is try and win our last 2 games to have any chance of going up." I'd completely agree with that. I was already doubting if we'd win any of our remaining games after Wexford but we certainly won't beat Laois or Sligo from what I seen on Sunday.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 07/03/2023 18:00:49
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