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Replying To Leitrim2024: " Replying To Buzzcagney62: "[quote=leitrimlad15: "Quick Fire Votes - Top 5
Biggest Issues Hindering Leitrim Football
1. County Population
2. No divisional competition to allow Intermediate/Junior players to gain Senior Experience
3. County Funding
4. Management (Historic, not targeted at current management)
5. Lack of club league games
6. Underage Development Structure
7. Underage Development Management
8. Structure Within Clubs
9. Underage S&C
10. Lack of Commitment from current players
11. Lack of Commitment from 'non-committed' players
12. Standard of Refereeing in Leitrim
13. Other
i.e. mine is;
12, 2, 11, 8, 5" Fermanagh have a smaller playing population to us yet are light years ahead."
Get underage sorted and the rest will follow.
I know lads who were dismissed from u15/16 panels and then asked to return to play u20 or even senior football for Leitrim a few years later.
How many other young men were kicked of County panels for drinking or messing? (Basically for being young).
I'd imagine the stress and upset these young men went through was tough."]drinking and messing is a tough one to manage to be fair, lads will be lads but if certain players are more about the session and not taking their football seriously, they are not going to achieve potential
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Replying To Leitrim2024: " Replying To Buzzcagney62: "[quote=leitrimlad15: "Quick Fire Votes - Top 5
Biggest Issues Hindering Leitrim Football
1. County Population
2. No divisional competition to allow Intermediate/Junior players to gain Senior Experience
3. County Funding
4. Management (Historic, not targeted at current management)
5. Lack of club league games
6. Underage Development Structure
7. Underage Development Management
8. Structure Within Clubs
9. Underage S&C
10. Lack of Commitment from current players
11. Lack of Commitment from 'non-committed' players
12. Standard of Refereeing in Leitrim
13. Other
i.e. mine is;
12, 2, 11, 8, 5" Fermanagh have a smaller playing population to us yet are light years ahead."
Get underage sorted and the rest will follow.
I know lads who were dismissed from u15/16 panels and then asked to return to play u20 or even senior football for Leitrim a few years later.
How many other young men were kicked of County panels for drinking or messing? (Basically for being young).
I'd imagine the stress and upset these young men went through was tough."]Leitrim underage:
I think its time for a change in the way our underage county teams are managed and get new young blood in and out with the same old boys who are knocking around years,
Lets be honest most of them wouldnt get a club job in leitrim, and when they did manage clubs had little to no success.
Terrence reynolds won intermediate last year with the neddies
Paul prior started the ballinamore project with an intermediate championship and brought leitrim gaels to semis last year with respect is probably as far as they could go
Ciaran kennedy and danny beck with st. Michaels in ross brought them to there first adult trophy in 35 years and are highly highly regarded there and with county playing experience
James flynn and steven tiernan after leading allen gaels to a division 2 league title with a young team with all thats happened this year has to be respected
Flynn aslo has ulster schools titles with a small pick in st. Mogues
All leitrim men,
Thats just a few names off the top of my head which i think would be better than whats there.
And im sure there a couple more out there i cant think of off the top of my head
Also leitrim need a full time top quality s&c coach or two to work with all leitrim teams from say u15s up
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Any reports from last weekends league final? Anyone to watch??
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Before I get into my reaction to the league final and what I think might happen in R1 of the championship I've a side point to make.
I think I've seen nearly every senior team play atleast twice this year and I've seen a fair few underage games along with county games aswell.
We have a brilliant crop of young players coming through - Especially forwards, in the next few years. Can some other posters let me know if all of these players are U20 for the county in 2024. Barry McNulty (Manor), Paul Moran (Ballinamore), Tom Plunkett (Aughawillan), Darren Cox (Annaduff), Paul Honeyman (Ballinamore), Jack Casey & Ben Guckian (St Marys). Those seven players have enormous potential to be top class players for Leitrim and their clubs in the coming years (I'm sure I'm missing a few aswell). There can be a lot of doom and gloom around Leitrim football but they all have serious potential.
Onto the league final - A Final nobody apart from St Mary's wanted to be in. Then St.Marys proceeded to give lads a chance or rest their main players with knocks etc.
To give some context. Paul Keaney is still playing football in Boston, Daire Farrell is injured and they then left Nicholas McWeeney (their most important player), Adam Reynolds, Ben Guckian, Gavin Reynolds and Diarmuid Kelleher on the bench.
The fact that they could still challenge a 'top team' such as Fenagh while not starting or playing those players is both scary and impressive. Also rumours that Michael Mcweeney may be staying around for the championship.
I'll frame the game in this way. Carrick were way of the pace of the game in the first half. Jack Casey was their standout player and looks like he has a brilliant future if he can focus on his conditioning over the winter.
Riordan O'Rourke and Jack Gilheany were Fenaghs two crucial players. Riordan playing in his natural position as a forward and not as a wing-back as he was bizzarely used with the county. Gilheany dominated the middle third and it's a must that he is brought back into the county Set-Up.
Mark Diffley was roasted by O'Rourke and it has to be questioned how suited he is to full back after the tough time he has had this year. He was directly at fault for Fenaghs winning goal.
McWeeney and a few more came on at half time and the game instantly changed in St. Mary's favour. How they didn't get across the line will raise many questions for Marys management but im sure their players wont be happy with their managements selections either.
Was happy to see Donal Wrynn score the game winning goal. He has soldiered with Leitrim and Fenagh for years and taken a lot of unwarranted abuse while always giving his all and not getting involved in anything he shouldn't unlike some others.
Fenagh will rattle most teams if they can get Ryan O'Rourke back fully fit but their defence looks suspect.
The McCormacks find a way to win again. No Shock to anyone there.
Predictions for the weekend:
Ballinamore -V- Aughnasheelin = Ballinamore by a landslide
Gortlettragh -V- St Mary's = St Mary's by a landslide
Fenagh -V- Leitrim Gaels = There could be a shock in this game. Fenagh were out on their feet by the end of the league final and Leitrim Gaels have David Bruen back.
Dromahair -V- Mohill = Mohill by +10
Aughawillan -V- Manor - The tie of the round. A lot will focus on if Evan Sweeney is back fit for Manor, They should have a bite to them after being relegated. If not I can see Aughawillan getting over the line by a couple of points in a dog of a game.
Leitrim1234 (Leitrim) - Posts: 312 - 01/08/2023 13:50:40
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Replying To Leitrim1234: "Before I get into my reaction to the league final and what I think might happen in R1 of the championship I've a side point to make.
I think I've seen nearly every senior team play atleast twice this year and I've seen a fair few underage games along with county games aswell.
We have a brilliant crop of young players coming through - Especially forwards, in the next few years. Can some other posters let me know if all of these players are U20 for the county in 2024. Barry McNulty (Manor), Paul Moran (Ballinamore), Tom Plunkett (Aughawillan), Darren Cox (Annaduff), Paul Honeyman (Ballinamore), Jack Casey & Ben Guckian (St Marys). Those seven players have enormous potential to be top class players for Leitrim and their clubs in the coming years (I'm sure I'm missing a few aswell). There can be a lot of doom and gloom around Leitrim football but they all have serious potential.
Onto the league final - A Final nobody apart from St Mary's wanted to be in. Then St.Marys proceeded to give lads a chance or rest their main players with knocks etc.
To give some context. Paul Keaney is still playing football in Boston, Daire Farrell is injured and they then left Nicholas McWeeney (their most important player), Adam Reynolds, Ben Guckian, Gavin Reynolds and Diarmuid Kelleher on the bench.
The fact that they could still challenge a 'top team' such as Fenagh while not starting or playing those players is both scary and impressive. Also rumours that Michael Mcweeney may be staying around for the championship.
I'll frame the game in this way. Carrick were way of the pace of the game in the first half. Jack Casey was their standout player and looks like he has a brilliant future if he can focus on his conditioning over the winter.
Riordan O'Rourke and Jack Gilheany were Fenaghs two crucial players. Riordan playing in his natural position as a forward and not as a wing-back as he was bizzarely used with the county. Gilheany dominated the middle third and it's a must that he is brought back into the county Set-Up.
Mark Diffley was roasted by O'Rourke and it has to be questioned how suited he is to full back after the tough time he has had this year. He was directly at fault for Fenaghs winning goal.
McWeeney and a few more came on at half time and the game instantly changed in St. Mary's favour. How they didn't get across the line will raise many questions for Marys management but im sure their players wont be happy with their managements selections either.
Was happy to see Donal Wrynn score the game winning goal. He has soldiered with Leitrim and Fenagh for years and taken a lot of unwarranted abuse while always giving his all and not getting involved in anything he shouldn't unlike some others.
Fenagh will rattle most teams if they can get Ryan O'Rourke back fully fit but their defence looks suspect.
The McCormacks find a way to win again. No Shock to anyone there.
Predictions for the weekend:
Ballinamore -V- Aughnasheelin = Ballinamore by a landslide
Gortlettragh -V- St Mary's = St Mary's by a landslide
Fenagh -V- Leitrim Gaels = There could be a shock in this game. Fenagh were out on their feet by the end of the league final and Leitrim Gaels have David Bruen back.
Dromahair -V- Mohill = Mohill by +10
Aughawillan -V- Manor - The tie of the round. A lot will focus on if Evan Sweeney is back fit for Manor, They should have a bite to them after being relegated. If not I can see Aughawillan getting over the line by a couple of points in a dog of a game." Thanks for the interesting comments and insights .
Your comments on the young talent coming through is interesting.
My guess only Jack Casey and Paul Moran ? are not U 20.
Some of those players such as Paul Honeyman are just out of minor.
It is very important that these players are brought through with strength and conditioning programmes etc.
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Replying To joeman123: "Thanks for the interesting comments and insights .
Your comments on the young talent coming through is interesting.
My guess only Jack Casey and Paul Moran ? are not U 20.
Some of those players such as Paul Honeyman are just out of minor.
It is very important that these players are brought through with strength and conditioning programmes etc." Paul Moran is a 2004 baby, but Jack Casey is a few years older.
It was such a shame that the u20 championship was played during the senior league. Several clubs didn't enter because their players were tied up their Senior teams.
Leitrim2024 (Leitrim) - Posts: 61 - 01/08/2023 19:42:42
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My attempt at predicting this week's fixtures.
Ballinamore v Aughnasheelin
Sherger was alive and well when Aughnasheelin last bet Ballinamore in the championship. Aughnasheelin will relish the chance to visit their beloved neighbours. They may keep it competitive for 40mins, but Ballinamore should be too strong.
Ballinamore by 5.
Gortletteragh v St Mary's.
Horrible draw for Gortletteragh. Despite their loss to Fenagh, I think Mary's have the strongest squad in Leitrim. Gortletteragh is a young team. I hear half their starting team is 19 or younger. Their day will come, but for now, St Mary's are in charge.
Mary's by 6
Fenagh v Leitrim Gaels.
It's a short trip for Leitrim Gaels, but it's a tough one. Leitrim Gaels is without a few players from last year's squad. This could be Fenagh's year. They should have too much for Leitrim Gaels.
Fenagh by 5.
Dromahair v Mohill.
Dromahair had a tough league campaign and could struggle this year. Unless Keith Beirne goes missing or gets food poison, this should be a big Mohill win.
Mohill by 12.
Aughawillian v Manor.
This is a tricky one to call. I hear the Willie's have another young Plunkett on the scene. Like Gortletteragh, Manor have a lot of quality young players coming through. Manor's stronger bench may make the difference.
Manor by 2
Predictions Overall
Senior Championship - St Mary's (Stongest squad and an improving young team).
Relegation - Dromahair
Intermediate - Allen Gaels (Good league campaign but dont rule out Melvin Gaels)
Relegation - Drumreilly
Junior - St Mary's B
Leitrim2024 (Leitrim) - Posts: 61 - 01/08/2023 20:27:19
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Replying To Leitrim1234: "Before I get into my reaction to the league final and what I think might happen in R1 of the championship I've a side point to make.
I think I've seen nearly every senior team play atleast twice this year and I've seen a fair few underage games along with county games aswell.
We have a brilliant crop of young players coming through - Especially forwards, in the next few years. Can some other posters let me know if all of these players are U20 for the county in 2024. Barry McNulty (Manor), Paul Moran (Ballinamore), Tom Plunkett (Aughawillan), Darren Cox (Annaduff), Paul Honeyman (Ballinamore), Jack Casey & Ben Guckian (St Marys). Those seven players have enormous potential to be top class players for Leitrim and their clubs in the coming years (I'm sure I'm missing a few aswell). There can be a lot of doom and gloom around Leitrim football but they all have serious potential.
Onto the league final - A Final nobody apart from St Mary's wanted to be in. Then St.Marys proceeded to give lads a chance or rest their main players with knocks etc.
To give some context. Paul Keaney is still playing football in Boston, Daire Farrell is injured and they then left Nicholas McWeeney (their most important player), Adam Reynolds, Ben Guckian, Gavin Reynolds and Diarmuid Kelleher on the bench.
The fact that they could still challenge a 'top team' such as Fenagh while not starting or playing those players is both scary and impressive. Also rumours that Michael Mcweeney may be staying around for the championship.
I'll frame the game in this way. Carrick were way of the pace of the game in the first half. Jack Casey was their standout player and looks like he has a brilliant future if he can focus on his conditioning over the winter.
Riordan O'Rourke and Jack Gilheany were Fenaghs two crucial players. Riordan playing in his natural position as a forward and not as a wing-back as he was bizzarely used with the county. Gilheany dominated the middle third and it's a must that he is brought back into the county Set-Up.
Mark Diffley was roasted by O'Rourke and it has to be questioned how suited he is to full back after the tough time he has had this year. He was directly at fault for Fenaghs winning goal.
McWeeney and a few more came on at half time and the game instantly changed in St. Mary's favour. How they didn't get across the line will raise many questions for Marys management but im sure their players wont be happy with their managements selections either.
Was happy to see Donal Wrynn score the game winning goal. He has soldiered with Leitrim and Fenagh for years and taken a lot of unwarranted abuse while always giving his all and not getting involved in anything he shouldn't unlike some others.
Fenagh will rattle most teams if they can get Ryan O'Rourke back fully fit but their defence looks suspect.
The McCormacks find a way to win again. No Shock to anyone there.
Predictions for the weekend:
Ballinamore -V- Aughnasheelin = Ballinamore by a landslide
Gortlettragh -V- St Mary's = St Mary's by a landslide
Fenagh -V- Leitrim Gaels = There could be a shock in this game. Fenagh were out on their feet by the end of the league final and Leitrim Gaels have David Bruen back.
Dromahair -V- Mohill = Mohill by +10
Aughawillan -V- Manor - The tie of the round. A lot will focus on if Evan Sweeney is back fit for Manor, They should have a bite to them after being relegated. If not I can see Aughawillan getting over the line by a couple of points in a dog of a game." Moran and Casey both are u20 next year
theroadtocroker (Leitrim) - Posts: 27 - 01/08/2023 20:44:56
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The fellas you mentioned left on the bench for St Mary's are all carrying knocks. Some ended up playing 50 minutes as it was but that was not the plan.
SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 408 - 01/08/2023 21:49:05
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Jack Casey played minor in 2021
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Replying To joeman123: "Thanks for the interesting comments and insights .
Your comments on the young talent coming through is interesting.
My guess only Jack Casey and Paul Moran ? are not U 20.
Some of those players such as Paul Honeyman are just out of minor.
It is very important that these players are brought through with strength and conditioning programmes etc." both Jack Casey and Paul Moran were U20 this year. Paul is U20 next year too i believe.
meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 120 - 02/08/2023 08:10:02
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Replying To meathbasedfan: "both Jack Casey and Paul Moran were U20 this year. Paul is U20 next year too i believe." Yes,I checked this myself and both Casey and Moran are U20 .
We should have a very strong team as there are some exceptional talent there.
Now is the time to focus on them
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 501 - 02/08/2023 11:28:30
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Replying To joeman123: "Yes,I checked this myself and both Casey and Moran are U20 .
We should have a very strong team as there are some exceptional talent there.
Now is the time to focus on them" I was thinking this. Great news.
Plunkett, Casey, Guckian, Moran, Cox, Honeyman, McNulty and a few more (Young Maye from Carrick looks quality) - Thats an exceptional crop of attacking players.
Hopefully, like the seniors they have already been given S&C programs for the winter. If they havent we are already behind.
Is Brendan Guckian going for the U20 job again? Or who is the manager for next year?
It wont be liked by many but my choice would be Shane Ward - He got the senior gig too young in hindsight but that experience will stand to him. I'm also sure his style of play will have developed. He is extremely well organised and his coaching is top class. They speak very highly of him in Fermanagh at the moment where he is the main man with Derrygonelly. If its not him I'd put Barry McWeeny or some link with the Senior management in charge and then good young coaches around them.
Or Joe McCormack.
Important that the county board nails this and sorts it out asap. Outside of Honeyman (who is to young for senior) all of the players mentioned above are starring for their adult senior teams.
Leitrim1234 (Leitrim) - Posts: 312 - 02/08/2023 12:41:33
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I agree Shane Ward would be a great choice, but why would he take it
lecture250 (Leitrim) - Posts: 130 - 02/08/2023 16:36:09
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Looking at SFC odds, Power are best price for pretty much all the main contenders (apart from Mohill who look a bit too short at 2/1 with both Power and BoyleSports). Mary's 11/4 look the value and Fenagh 5/1 not that bad either. Best outsiders Willies and Manor 12s with Boyle. Either could and may well spring a surprise in a game or two but hard to see them going all the way.
Mary's 11/4 to retain best bet?
TheCartownBus2 (Leitrim) - Posts: 42 - 03/08/2023 10:26:44
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Replying To TheCartownBus2: "Looking at SFC odds, Power are best price for pretty much all the main contenders (apart from Mohill who look a bit too short at 2/1 with both Power and BoyleSports). Mary's 11/4 look the value and Fenagh 5/1 not that bad either. Best outsiders Willies and Manor 12s with Boyle. Either could and may well spring a surprise in a game or two but hard to see them going all the way.
Mary's 11/4 to retain best bet?" Dont gamble but Fenagh and Willies would be my outside punt, Manor you would be as well put the money where the sun dont shine, they are a few years off challenging for anything yet
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 560 - 03/08/2023 12:32:34
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Replying To meathbasedfan: "i think its 18 for your first team in the championship, 15 starters and 3 subs. if a county player misses the first round then they are automatically named as one of the 18. i'm open for correction but i think that's the general jist." Is anyone able to give me a definite answer on this?
Creidim... (Leitrim) - Posts: 45 - 03/08/2023 13:54:21
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Replying To Creidim...: "Is anyone able to give me a definite answer on this?" That's correct. First 15 and 3 subs excluded from playing with any junior A team. County players must be included in this 18 even if they're injured.
First 15 players are excluded from playing with junior B teams and below.
If you're fielding a 3rd team, then the first 15 from your 2nd team are excluded also.
For example; 18 players from the St Mary's Senior team will be excluded from playing with their Junior A team. This 18 must include all county players.
The 15 players that start for their for Mary's junior A team will be excluded from playing for their Junior C team.
So Mary's junior C team will have 33 players (18 senior +15 junior A) excluded.
So any team playing a 3rd team will need excess of approx 50 players.
But if you take Aughawillian as example who are fielding a Senior and Junior B team.
Their Junior B team will not be able to field any of the first 15 players from their senior team.
Leitrim2024 (Leitrim) - Posts: 61 - 03/08/2023 14:47:25
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It's good to see 5 clubs, Gortletteragh, Mohill, Mary's. Manor & Melvin Gaels field 3 teams.
Some of the jerseys may be a bit tight, but who cares. Play football as long as you can. Lots of time to become a sideline expert when you retire.
Leitrim2024 (Leitrim) - Posts: 61 - 03/08/2023 14:58:13
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Replying To Leitrim2024: "That's correct. First 15 and 3 subs excluded from playing with any junior A team. County players must be included in this 18 even if they're injured.
First 15 players are excluded from playing with junior B teams and below.
If you're fielding a 3rd team, then the first 15 from your 2nd team are excluded also.
For example; 18 players from the St Mary's Senior team will be excluded from playing with their Junior A team. This 18 must include all county players.
The 15 players that start for their for Mary's junior A team will be excluded from playing for their Junior C team.
So Mary's junior C team will have 33 players (18 senior +15 junior A) excluded.
So any team playing a 3rd team will need excess of approx 50 players.
But if you take Aughawillian as example who are fielding a Senior and Junior B team.
Their Junior B team will not be able to field any of the first 15 players from their senior team." Thanks very much.
Creidim... (Leitrim) - Posts: 45 - 03/08/2023 17:03:12
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