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Weather promised very poor tomorrow and it will surely be a low scoring affair. You'd have to fancy Roscommon's bench to ne the deciding factor if its a close encounter.

Better performance from Ross u20s last night compared to recent weeks. One obvious thing last night was the lack of height in the roscommon side and it will be a huge factor later in the spring with the matches still being played on slower pitches unlike last year where they've able to bypass midfield on summer dry ground.

The kickouts were an issue also last night but tbf to the keeper he pulled off 3 great saves as did the Mayo keeper. Big crowd at the match also. Mayo will also have their seniors to come back whole Ross were only missing one of theirs. It will be a Galway/Mayo title this year for sure.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 19/02/2022 20:47:39    2401164

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "Weather promised very poor tomorrow and it will surely be a low scoring affair. You'd have to fancy Roscommon's bench to ne the deciding factor if its a close encounter.

Better performance from Ross u20s last night compared to recent weeks. One obvious thing last night was the lack of height in the roscommon side and it will be a huge factor later in the spring with the matches still being played on slower pitches unlike last year where they've able to bypass midfield on summer dry ground.

The kickouts were an issue also last night but tbf to the keeper he pulled off 3 great saves as did the Mayo keeper. Big crowd at the match also. Mayo will also have their seniors to come back whole Ross were only missing one of theirs. It will be a Galway/Mayo title this year for sure."
Aren't Roscommon U20s missing a lot of possible starters due to injury at the moment? Of the games i watched last year they didn't bypass midfield, didn't need to with Keith Doyle performing well.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 19/02/2022 21:29:11    2401172

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Replying To Yondu:  "Aren't Roscommon U20s missing a lot of possible starters due to injury at the moment? Of the games i watched last year they didn't bypass midfield, didn't need to with Keith Doyle performing well."
Yes Ronan Garvin a starter last year is out for the season, likely championship starters Darragh Heneghan,Eoin Colleran,Colm Neary,Tom Cream are out injured and Ben O'Carroll is with the seniors at the moment. We don't have the strength in depth of Galway,Mayo so us missing players is much harder to fill the void however plenty of lads given their chance last night showed well. Tough game against Donegal next who hammered Derry today.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4013 - 19/02/2022 22:00:21    2401177

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "Weather promised very poor tomorrow and it will surely be a low scoring affair. You'd have to fancy Roscommon's bench to ne the deciding factor if its a close encounter.

Better performance from Ross u20s last night compared to recent weeks. One obvious thing last night was the lack of height in the roscommon side and it will be a huge factor later in the spring with the matches still being played on slower pitches unlike last year where they've able to bypass midfield on summer dry ground.

The kickouts were an issue also last night but tbf to the keeper he pulled off 3 great saves as did the Mayo keeper. Big crowd at the match also. Mayo will also have their seniors to come back whole Ross were only missing one of theirs. It will be a Galway/Mayo title this year for sure."
Roscommon shouldn't be written off with players to come back in.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2364 - 19/02/2022 22:00:22    2401178

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Don't sell yourself short. Clare are established top 12 team and are the second best team in Munster."
4th best in munster I'd say

Patchin (Clare) - Posts: 42 - 19/02/2022 22:05:12    2401179

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "Weather promised very poor tomorrow and it will surely be a low scoring affair. You'd have to fancy Roscommon's bench to ne the deciding factor if its a close encounter.

Better performance from Ross u20s last night compared to recent weeks. One obvious thing last night was the lack of height in the roscommon side and it will be a huge factor later in the spring with the matches still being played on slower pitches unlike last year where they've able to bypass midfield on summer dry ground.

The kickouts were an issue also last night but tbf to the keeper he pulled off 3 great saves as did the Mayo keeper. Big crowd at the match also. Mayo will also have their seniors to come back whole Ross were only missing one of theirs. It will be a Galway/Mayo title this year for sure."
Mayo u20s were missing 8 players. Every county has to deal with injured/missing players.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11536 - 20/02/2022 08:45:38    2401187

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Mayo u20s were missing 8 players. Every county has to deal with injured/missing players."
I'm sure you can acknowledge Mayo and Galway can deal better without missing players due to their large picks and more like for replacements than a county of Roscommons size.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 20/02/2022 10:46:24    2401212

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Replying To Yondu:  "I'm sure you can acknowledge Mayo and Galway can deal better without missing players due to their large picks and more like for replacements than a county of Roscommons size."
Of course I cant disagree there but Mayo aren't a huge county population wise. There are 15 counties with bigger populations than us.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11536 - 20/02/2022 12:00:54    2401242

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The weather should even things up a bit

Patchin (Clare) - Posts: 42 - 20/02/2022 13:38:23    2401273

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Both teams played better against the wind

Patchin (Clare) - Posts: 42 - 20/02/2022 15:52:53    2401321

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Strange match in hyde where both teams were not able to break down their opponents with the breeze and neither changed their approach to do so. After the shadow boxing of the first two rounds fitness levels and squad depths have gone up a level or two.

At half time Ross probably would have taken a draw but with 15 minutes left and 3 pts up you'd have to say it's a point dropped.

Clare v Derry next weekend will be a defining match for both. Don't rule out a draw either. Ross won't get anything easy in Newry who will be have some confidence after getting a draw in Navan ableit not scoring in second half. Galway should have plenty for Cork and will win their match in hand v Offaly so picture should be somewhat clearer next weekend. Ross have to win 3 of their last 4 to get promoted.

Unfortunately for the u20s the loss of last years players namely Ruairi Fallon to rugby, Ronan Garvan to a cruciate from last years competition amd Darragh Heneghan broken collar bone will be a huge loss and severely weaken their chances v Sligo. Also what is now becoming a serious issue for Roscommon at all ages are goalkeepers who are in short supply.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 20/02/2022 17:36:20    2401353

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Only positive to take out of that game is we remain undefeated.

Not sure why the ref needed two pitch inspections, it was fine. What wasn't fine was the strong and freezing cold wind that destroyed the game as a contest. A pure dog fight of a match.

Can make a case that we dropped the point today due to our flat performance in the 1st half or the final ten minutes of the game when we didn't have the street smarts to close the game out at 9-6. Going down to 14 men for that final 10 minutes was Clares way back into the game and we helped them also with our poor decision making. We still should have got a point or goal to win with the last kick of the match and the ref ignored a clear foul which would have been a tap over free. Clare however deserved their draw

Derry, Galway will be the clear favourites for promotion now and its a strong possibility that we will do battle with Clare again next year in Div 2.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4013 - 20/02/2022 17:51:14    2401360

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Replying To Yondu:  "I'm sure you can acknowledge Mayo and Galway can deal better without missing players due to their large picks and more like for replacements than a county of Roscommons size."
Like the age old argument population not the best yardstick. Large swathes of Rural Galway don't play gaelic football at adult level (South and East) and the Connemara area which is more football than hurling is low in population density. As for the City never a good reference point in Galway and low number of clubs relatively speaking. The number of clubs bear this out. While some of the commuter towns have good numbers at juvenile level any of these players are disappearing by the time senior football arrives.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1973 - 20/02/2022 17:53:08    2401362

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I wasn't at the Hyde today. Who played well for Roscommon.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2364 - 20/02/2022 18:25:14    2401376

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First things first well done to the groundsmen at the Hyde. The pitch looked in great nick for the time of year and it didn't appear to dig up as the match wore on. Very disappointing performance from Roscommon in general today especially the first half. Conditions obviously made it difficult but I don't understand why we didn't run at them in the first half like we did in parts of the second half especially when we had the wind on our backs. Seemed very laboured with our build up and some decision making poor again. I thought Cox was poor enough today. Donie needs to take all the frees in front of goal and on the right. Feel he would have converted Cox's chance in the second half. Thought the black card a little harsh too but maybe that was more down to seeing how the Longford official let a lot go for Clare and was very quick to penalise us for any attempt to tackle. Young Heneghan done well today as did Stack, Donie, McCormack and Enda. Midfield had some good moments but Clare won a lot of the breaks especially early on. Defence in general was quite solid. Lavin pulled off an excellent save and was solid throughout. Niall Daly had a quieter game than usual but did nothing wrong. Finally Niall Higgins from Elphin looked very impressive when he came in also. Lots of energy and pace and looked at ease at this level. We just seemed lethargic from midfield up. Anyway onwards and upwards hopefully for next weekend where we'll need to improve to get anything out of Newry.

ComainRos (Roscommon) - Posts: 148 - 20/02/2022 19:26:26    2401409

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "Strange match in hyde where both teams were not able to break down their opponents with the breeze and neither changed their approach to do so. After the shadow boxing of the first two rounds fitness levels and squad depths have gone up a level or two.

At half time Ross probably would have taken a draw but with 15 minutes left and 3 pts up you'd have to say it's a point dropped.

Clare v Derry next weekend will be a defining match for both. Don't rule out a draw either. Ross won't get anything easy in Newry who will be have some confidence after getting a draw in Navan ableit not scoring in second half. Galway should have plenty for Cork and will win their match in hand v Offaly so picture should be somewhat clearer next weekend. Ross have to win 3 of their last 4 to get promoted.

Unfortunately for the u20s the loss of last years players namely Ruairi Fallon to rugby, Ronan Garvan to a cruciate from last years competition amd Darragh Heneghan broken collar bone will be a huge loss and severely weaken their chances v Sligo. Also what is now becoming a serious issue for Roscommon at all ages are goalkeepers who are in short supply."
Ya the Derry and Clare game is a huge game. Derry seem to be going very well and look strong, but to be honest I think they have played the three worst teams in the Division, so hopefully from a Clare point of view, we can put up a performance against them. A win for Clare in that would surely make us safe and give us a great chance of getting promoted. Wasn't at the game today, but sounded like a war of attrition alright. Division 2 is so unpredictable at times, but this is the first time since Clare came into the division 5 years ago that they have got points in 3 consecutive games, so from that point of view we seem to be making a bit of progress.

CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 57 - 20/02/2022 19:28:40    2401411

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Like the age old argument population not the best yardstick. Large swathes of Rural Galway don't play gaelic football at adult level (South and East) and the Connemara area which is more football than hurling is low in population density. As for the City never a good reference point in Galway and low number of clubs relatively speaking. The number of clubs bear this out. While some of the commuter towns have good numbers at juvenile level any of these players are disappearing by the time senior football arrives."
Pick equals the player base and amount of clubs and strength of clubs to pick from. Galway would have a number of junior clubs that would be very competitive in the Roscommon intermediate championship while the best junior club teams in Roscommon are B teams of the best senior teams.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 20/02/2022 19:39:09    2401417

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Replying To endgame:  "I wasn't at the Hyde today. Who played well for Roscommon."
As he was in the opening two games. Enda Smith, provided the leadership and would be mostly thanking him if we had won. Nolan especially 2nd half played well as ever Kilroy worked himself to the ground and Higgins did well when introduced.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4013 - 20/02/2022 19:43:33    2401420

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How we got anything out of that game is beyond me. Firstly I think we didn't give clare the respect they deserve.
Again we started poorly this need to be addressed at a coaching level. We were so complacent it was shocking. It wasn't till the 33 min of the first half that we got our tempo up.
Our ability to deal with the scenarios in front of us was poor, we allowed our frustration with clares defence to multiply our poor decision. We had plenty of experience today I each line and they should have the game knowhow to problem solve against a blanket defence.
In the second half our workrate cannot be faulted but only through some poor clare shooting and clare not committing to a consistent push on our kickouts did we get a draw.
On this effort I would be worried heading to Newry with the kilcoo lads back and we will have to come up 3 or 4 notches to trouble derry and Galway.
Both Cork and Meath were patchy performances so
Maybe another year in Div 2 is not the worst thing.

Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 187 - 20/02/2022 20:06:02    2401437

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Replying To Yondu:  "Pick equals the player base and amount of clubs and strength of clubs to pick from. Galway would have a number of junior clubs that would be very competitive in the Roscommon intermediate championship while the best junior club teams in Roscommon are B teams of the best senior teams."
Speaking about Junior you look at Kerry and the divisional structure. That is part of the reason they are so successful. Ros granted geographically is too small. Amazing how Mayo never implemented a divisional structure. Perfect size and one code. Problem in Galway is the dual code issue and master fixture list would not allow. Also hurling politically in Galway dominates. We have not had a 'football' person as Co. Board chair since 1989. I can tell you honestly. If we win anything senior in football in the coming years it will be 'in spite of' as opposed to 'because of'. We churn out very good underage and have been doing for some years now (in both codes). However the resource support to transition to senior football is nowhere near most of the football only counties.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1973 - 21/02/2022 08:32:34    2401482

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