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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Are you joking? That was not a stamp. Ruane should have got black for cynical play." https://twitter.com/cormacpro/status/1632421124393914373?t=iB4zSMXljiOJFUsE1vBYWg&s=08
Certainly looks like a stamp.
BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 214 - 07/03/2023 09:26:18
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Replying To rosco7: "Do you not think strategy was at play with change of goalkeeper for this game? The kick-outs were always going to be an issue against a more physical side like Mayo regardless of who was the goalkeeper. What do you think the reason was for the change of keeper for this game? You have answered part of the question with there being a major issue at midfield. And with that issue at play it made it harder for Colm to get the kick outs right?" I'd say the reason for the change was to give lavin a chance but I think the debate was settled Sunday.
It wasn't fully Lavins fault or movement was very poor for the short kick out. Colm is too slow at getting them away carrolll gets them out quick similar to the way the Mayo keeper did.
I was very worried 20 mins in but in fairness the lads dug in and finished strong
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 779 - 07/03/2023 10:26:40
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Replying To BlastCalyle: "https://twitter.com/cormacpro/status/1632421124393914373?t=iB4zSMXljiOJFUsE1vBYWg&s=08
Certainly looks like a stamp." He's deliberately sped up the footage to make it look worse. They must have been half a minute trying to get the ball out from under Ruane. Ruane did not react like a man that was stamped on. I'm sure if he was he would have stood up to Enda. It's not something Mayo management has complained about either.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 07/03/2023 10:42:36
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Replying To Tarismelting22: "I'd say the reason for the change was to give lavin a chance but I think the debate was settled Sunday.
It wasn't fully Lavins fault or movement was very poor for the short kick out. Colm is too slow at getting them away carrolll gets them out quick similar to the way the Mayo keeper did.
I was very worried 20 mins in but in fairness the lads dug in and finished strong" We bet them 2-11 to 1-9 the last 50 minutes.
Did they ease off slightly or was it us getting into the game eventually?
We kicked a few poor wides in the 2nd half plus some balls forward weren't the best to say the least. Mind you one led to the 2nd goal as the Mayo lad taking the line ball encroached on the pitch resulting in a throw up.
Our neighbours could almost secure our status if they beat Donegal and Armagh the next day.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 07/03/2023 10:47:05
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Replying To Tarismelting22: "I'd say the reason for the change was to give lavin a chance but I think the debate was settled Sunday.
It wasn't fully Lavins fault or movement was very poor for the short kick out. Colm is too slow at getting them away carrolll gets them out quick similar to the way the Mayo keeper did.
I was very worried 20 mins in but in fairness the lads dug in and finished strong" I would agree with a previous poster who mentioned that maybe Roscommon expected Mayo to play O'Shea at full forward and try to drop in a few high balls. It might happen in the championship. Lavin has a height advantage over O'Carroll. Feel very sorry for Lavin as he has been one of Roscommons best players (most consistent) over the last two years and is very committed to the cause. However he was not helped by been given limited options at times.
Sometimes he runs out with the ball looking at where he is going to place a tee rather that seeing if there is a free man. That is very easily fixed.
Another small recommendation I would have would be that young Walsh needs to improve his clear striking of the ball when passing. Sometimes he moves both hands and it might look like a throw ball. I think he has a lot of potential and would like to see him getting another run in the league. I do not normally criticise individual players but these are only very small recommendations in order to improve both players game.
Any news on Conor Daly and the other injured players. Will they be back for the Kerry game.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 633 - 07/03/2023 11:40:54
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Fans need to relax a bit. We were all jumping up and down 2 weeks ago after 3 wins on the bounce and now it seems its all doom and gloom. Lets see how the league campaign pans out. We have possibly the toughest 1st round championship fixture in the country to deal with after that. I love Davy Burke's enthusiasm and I'd image the players love playing for him. Lets get behind them and see where we end up in the summer. Up the Ros!
transportbox (Roscommon) - Posts: 15 - 07/03/2023 12:54:38
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "What is the criteria for deciding who goes down if two/three teams are on equal points after the final game?
Is it the points difference or who won the head-to- head match between the two teams?
Some interesting matches in the final two rounds of matches.
Will Mayo treat their two remaining matches against Donegal (away) and Monaghan (home) seriously? Will have major implications for several teams.
Difficult to see Donegal surviving on 2 points at the moment and a scoring difference of -18.
Monaghan at home to Tyrone in the next match which would leave one of those teams on 4 points ( if there is a winner) going into the final round of matches.
One more point for Rossies should keep us safe. I think the team are well capable of getting it." Think Donegal are on three points rather than two.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2300 - 07/03/2023 13:01:03
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Replying To endgame: "Think Donegal are on three points rather than two." Correct
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 633 - 07/03/2023 14:38:41
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "He's deliberately sped up the footage to make it look worse. They must have been half a minute trying to get the ball out from under Ruane. Ruane did not react like a man that was stamped on. I'm sure if he was he would have stood up to Enda. It's not something Mayo management has complained about either." Anyone that watches the full clip (still up on the TG4 player) will know there is nothing in that incident. The reaction of Matthew Ruane tells its own tale.
What we have today is modern day "supporters" who sit at home instead of attending matches and go onto to twitter complaining during and after matches. Trying to get Enda Smith suspended calling him a thug etc for doing nothing wrong those "supporters" need to have a good long look at themselves they simply give the many thousands of good Mayo supporters a bad name.
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Replying To The_analyser: "Anyone that watches the full clip (still up on the TG4 player) will know there is nothing in that incident. The reaction of Matthew Ruane tells its own tale.
What we have today is modern day "supporters" who sit at home instead of attending matches and go onto to twitter complaining during and after matches. Trying to get Enda Smith suspended calling him a thug etc for doing nothing wrong those "supporters" need to have a good long look at themselves they simply give the many thousands of good Mayo supporters a bad name." On-line journalists Mark Donlon and Gary Connaughton also need to take a long hard look at themselves and decide if their recent articles and twitter attachments are biased, unfair and did not give a full and accurate account of what actually happened. In fairness to Enda Smith, Matthew Ruane, the linesman who was in very close proximity to the incidence and the referee, the camera angle gives a false impression of what actually happened. The evidence that I saw sitting close to the event in the stand and at a different angle to the TV camera was;
* Matthew Ruane held on to the ball for a prolonged period of time on the ground, with Enda Smith using his hands trying to dislodge it.
* With the ball lying between Matthew's his legs, Enda used his right foot trying to dislodge it. Most of the pressure of Enda's right foot came in contact with the ball and very little if any pressure came on to Matthew Ruane leg.
* Matthew Ruane face did not grimace from any pain and he did not feel his leg. If a full stamp had occurred this would not be the case. In fairness to Matthew Ruane he did not confront Enda Smith or complain to the linesman who was right beside him at that time. He just got up and ran back into position. (Not the typical action of an injured player)
* The linesman who saw all the action from very close up (Not from the angle of the TV camera) did not take any action.
I would like to know why Mark Donlon could attach the full prolonged action of Enda Smith scoring the goal in his article but could not attach the full showing of the event he was mainly writing about in his article. He just attached a very biased and unfair twitter link, which was a distorted account of what actually happened.
Gary Connaughton's article also attached the same twitter feed.
Lads, you more of the evidence, why did you not use it?
This is lazy, unprofessional and biased journalism who have blacked the name of one of our best and sporting players.
At least have the decency to show the full account of what happened in your articles, and let all the GAA supporters decide for themselves!
Not good enough.
Fair play to all the Mayo supporters in the stand who were also close to the action. At least like Matthew Ruane, they did not make a big deal of it either.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 633 - 08/03/2023 09:10:19
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "On-line journalists Mark Donlon and Gary Connaughton also need to take a long hard look at themselves and decide if their recent articles and twitter attachments are biased, unfair and did not give a full and accurate account of what actually happened. In fairness to Enda Smith, Matthew Ruane, the linesman who was in very close proximity to the incidence and the referee, the camera angle gives a false impression of what actually happened. The evidence that I saw sitting close to the event in the stand and at a different angle to the TV camera was;
* Matthew Ruane held on to the ball for a prolonged period of time on the ground, with Enda Smith using his hands trying to dislodge it.
* With the ball lying between Matthew's his legs, Enda used his right foot trying to dislodge it. Most of the pressure of Enda's right foot came in contact with the ball and very little if any pressure came on to Matthew Ruane leg.
* Matthew Ruane face did not grimace from any pain and he did not feel his leg. If a full stamp had occurred this would not be the case. In fairness to Matthew Ruane he did not confront Enda Smith or complain to the linesman who was right beside him at that time. He just got up and ran back into position. (Not the typical action of an injured player)
* The linesman who saw all the action from very close up (Not from the angle of the TV camera) did not take any action.
I would like to know why Mark Donlon could attach the full prolonged action of Enda Smith scoring the goal in his article but could not attach the full showing of the event he was mainly writing about in his article. He just attached a very biased and unfair twitter link, which was a distorted account of what actually happened.
Gary Connaughton's article also attached the same twitter feed.
Lads, you more of the evidence, why did you not use it?
This is lazy, unprofessional and biased journalism who have blacked the name of one of our best and sporting players.
At least have the decency to show the full account of what happened in your articles, and let all the GAA supporters decide for themselves!
Not good enough.
Fair play to all the Mayo supporters in the stand who were also close to the action. At least like Matthew Ruane, they did not make a big deal of it either." That not giving the ball over for a free should merit at least a yellow card.
It should really be added to the black card infractions as its totally cynical and as often as noit leads to "schemozzles"
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 08/03/2023 12:34:37
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Conor cox is getting plenty of attention for play acting Sunday. We also saw Sean Kelly do the same. It's happening in every county but I hate it and was embarrassed for Conor. It something's I definitely don't want to see players do and stop trying to get men sent off .
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1151 - 08/03/2023 14:21:27
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "On-line journalists Mark Donlon and Gary Connaughton also need to take a long hard look at themselves and decide if their recent articles and twitter attachments are biased, unfair and did not give a full and accurate account of what actually happened. In fairness to Enda Smith, Matthew Ruane, the linesman who was in very close proximity to the incidence and the referee, the camera angle gives a false impression of what actually happened. The evidence that I saw sitting close to the event in the stand and at a different angle to the TV camera was;
* Matthew Ruane held on to the ball for a prolonged period of time on the ground, with Enda Smith using his hands trying to dislodge it.
* With the ball lying between Matthew's his legs, Enda used his right foot trying to dislodge it. Most of the pressure of Enda's right foot came in contact with the ball and very little if any pressure came on to Matthew Ruane leg.
* Matthew Ruane face did not grimace from any pain and he did not feel his leg. If a full stamp had occurred this would not be the case. In fairness to Matthew Ruane he did not confront Enda Smith or complain to the linesman who was right beside him at that time. He just got up and ran back into position. (Not the typical action of an injured player)
* The linesman who saw all the action from very close up (Not from the angle of the TV camera) did not take any action.
I would like to know why Mark Donlon could attach the full prolonged action of Enda Smith scoring the goal in his article but could not attach the full showing of the event he was mainly writing about in his article. He just attached a very biased and unfair twitter link, which was a distorted account of what actually happened.
Gary Connaughton's article also attached the same twitter feed.
Lads, you more of the evidence, why did you not use it?
This is lazy, unprofessional and biased journalism who have blacked the name of one of our best and sporting players.
At least have the decency to show the full account of what happened in your articles, and let all the GAA supporters decide for themselves!
Not good enough.
Fair play to all the Mayo supporters in the stand who were also close to the action. At least like Matthew Ruane, they did not make a big deal of it either." Well said.
Those on-line journalists work for Balls.ie,Extra.Ie two sites that don't care about accuracy of what they publish but all about click bait. Real gutter stuff. Extra is a parent of the tabloid awful of Daily Mail news rag.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3911 - 08/03/2023 15:45:37
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Replying To The_analyser: "Well said.
Those on-line journalists work for Balls.ie,Extra.Ie two sites that don't care about accuracy of what they publish but all about click bait. Real gutter stuff. Extra is a parent of the tabloid awful of Daily Mail news rag." Correct, those sites are brutal and full of sensationalist headlines, rubbish ads and click bait. Brutal journalism and it has become a problem with journalism is general over the past 15 years, where instead of doing research, some "journalists" just rehash **** from social media without analysing it themselves.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 08/03/2023 19:55:44
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Just watched the recording of the Mayo match this evening. Again an awful lot of similarities to what has gone before in the league. As I stated already we should be delighted we have 6 pts amd it will keep us safe especially with Tyrone having to paly monaghan and Armagh yet. It's looking likely it will be Monaghan amd Donegal that go down.
The real standout thing for me is that over the past two matches is that teams have caught up and over taken us in terms of fitness levels. That month has really seen teams up the ante a good bit. Now Davy Burke who seems to be in the papers everyday now, said after the Armagh match that the heavy training starts now. I hope that is the case or we will have very little to shout about for remainder of year.
Last Sunday was no surprise given what we had seen from both sides to date. Mayo flying fit and their warm up was unbelievable. They were out on pitch for an hour before throw in and their warm up was actually a training session. Can they keep that level up remains to be seen. They blew us apart in first 20 minutes which decided the match.
Roscommon continue to play a poor man's session of Donegal from years gone amd it is worse than watching paint dry. No method or plan and what we got away with in first three rounds due to our fitness levels, weather levelling the playing field, opposition not taking their chances and a boost from the younger players has now been caught up with.
Delighted we are still in Divison 1 but where does it evelove from here. Midfield is what it is and Harney is a huge loss but he cant do everything. Diamruid Murtagh spending more time in the half back line than in opposition half. At one stage in 2nd half on Sunday Colin Walsh was the furthest man forward at half way amd us with the breeze.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 08/03/2023 21:56:26
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "Just watched the recording of the Mayo match this evening. Again an awful lot of similarities to what has gone before in the league. As I stated already we should be delighted we have 6 pts amd it will keep us safe especially with Tyrone having to paly monaghan and Armagh yet. It's looking likely it will be Monaghan amd Donegal that go down.
The real standout thing for me is that over the past two matches is that teams have caught up and over taken us in terms of fitness levels. That month has really seen teams up the ante a good bit. Now Davy Burke who seems to be in the papers everyday now, said after the Armagh match that the heavy training starts now. I hope that is the case or we will have very little to shout about for remainder of year.
Last Sunday was no surprise given what we had seen from both sides to date. Mayo flying fit and their warm up was unbelievable. They were out on pitch for an hour before throw in and their warm up was actually a training session. Can they keep that level up remains to be seen. They blew us apart in first 20 minutes which decided the match.
Roscommon continue to play a poor man's session of Donegal from years gone amd it is worse than watching paint dry. No method or plan and what we got away with in first three rounds due to our fitness levels, weather levelling the playing field, opposition not taking their chances and a boost from the younger players has now been caught up with.
Delighted we are still in Divison 1 but where does it evelove from here. Midfield is what it is and Harney is a huge loss but he cant do everything. Diamruid Murtagh spending more time in the half back line than in opposition half. At one stage in 2nd half on Sunday Colin Walsh was the furthest man forward at half way amd us with the breeze." Fitness levels? What are you on about. We were still searching for a manager when the first three league opponents had a number of weeks of training under their belts.
Improved 2nd halves with bench impacts is what got us 6 points. Got no impact against Monaghan while got it against Mayo and could have stole the win with a goal with the last kick of the game.
Forwards spend a lot of time back playing deep all of Mayos forwards did it, newsflash it's called modern day football.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3911 - 09/03/2023 10:27:21
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "Just watched the recording of the Mayo match this evening. Again an awful lot of similarities to what has gone before in the league. As I stated already we should be delighted we have 6 pts amd it will keep us safe especially with Tyrone having to paly monaghan and Armagh yet. It's looking likely it will be Monaghan amd Donegal that go down.
The real standout thing for me is that over the past two matches is that teams have caught up and over taken us in terms of fitness levels. That month has really seen teams up the ante a good bit. Now Davy Burke who seems to be in the papers everyday now, said after the Armagh match that the heavy training starts now. I hope that is the case or we will have very little to shout about for remainder of year.
Last Sunday was no surprise given what we had seen from both sides to date. Mayo flying fit and their warm up was unbelievable. They were out on pitch for an hour before throw in and their warm up was actually a training session. Can they keep that level up remains to be seen. They blew us apart in first 20 minutes which decided the match.
Roscommon continue to play a poor man's session of Donegal from years gone amd it is worse than watching paint dry. No method or plan and what we got away with in first three rounds due to our fitness levels, weather levelling the playing field, opposition not taking their chances and a boost from the younger players has now been caught up with.
Delighted we are still in Divison 1 but where does it evelove from here. Midfield is what it is and Harney is a huge loss but he cant do everything. Diamruid Murtagh spending more time in the half back line than in opposition half. At one stage in 2nd half on Sunday Colin Walsh was the furthest man forward at half way amd us with the breeze." At the start of the year we'd have gladly taken survival in Division 1, being competitive v Mayo on 9th April and getting to AI knock out stage.
Looks like as expected we'll have to beat Donegal to be sure of survival.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 09/03/2023 10:39:04
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "At the start of the year we'd have gladly taken survival in Division 1, being competitive v Mayo on 9th April and getting to AI knock out stage.
Looks like as expected we'll have to beat Donegal to be sure of survival." I'd say many expected before the league started that Donegal game could be dead rubber with Roscommon already relegated.
Having seen Roscommon in action there was nothing i seen that suggested they were ahead on fitness levels and that includes seeing them in the flesh in Salthill. 2016 in Division 1 a different story you were certainly were bouncing off the turf in the opening games against Cork, Kerry and Donegal.
Don't think weather has been any factor either. Its the mildest weather conditions i can recall for a league campaign and no sign of any games getting cancelled. We'll be lucky to get weather as good for the early April Connacht championship
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 09/03/2023 11:02:45
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Replying To The_analyser: "Fitness levels? What are you on about. We were still searching for a manager when the first three league opponents had a number of weeks of training under their belts.
Improved 2nd halves with bench impacts is what got us 6 points. Got no impact against Monaghan while got it against Mayo and could have stole the win with a goal with the last kick of the game.
Forwards spend a lot of time back playing deep all of Mayos forwards did it, newsflash it's called modern day football." One of the reasons we were so easily opened up against Galway last year was the lack of tracking back by forwards.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 09/03/2023 11:32:46
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Replying To Yondu: "I'd say many expected before the league started that Donegal game could be dead rubber with Roscommon already relegated.
Having seen Roscommon in action there was nothing i seen that suggested they were ahead on fitness levels and that includes seeing them in the flesh in Salthill. 2016 in Division 1 a different story you were certainly were bouncing off the turf in the opening games against Cork, Kerry and Donegal.
Don't think weather has been any factor either. Its the mildest weather conditions i can recall for a league campaign and no sign of any games getting cancelled. We'll be lucky to get weather as good for the early April Connacht championship" One of the driest winters in years with barely any storms. Drought in large swathes of the country. When you compare to weather in last years league against especially the Clare and Derry matches.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 09/03/2023 11:34:17
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