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Some mouth watering games this Weekend in the final Group fixtures!
Senior A
St.Thomas' v Cappataggle..................Thomas'
Killimordaly v L.Mellows.....................Killimordaly
Loughrea v sarsfields..........................Loughrea
T.Larkins v Oranmore-Maree.............Larkins
Turloughmore v Ahasragh-F...............Turlough
Craughwell v Castlegar........................Craughwell

Senior B
Clairnbridge v Mullagh..........................'Bridge
Ardrahan v Killnadeemna-Leitrim........Ardrahan
Portumna v Beagh..................................Portumna
Ballindeeren v Kilconiron.......................Ballindeeren
Gort v Athenry..........................................Gort
Tynagh-Abbey/Dundry v P.Pearses.......TAD

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1399 - 04/10/2021 14:51:46    2384383

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Replying To Viking66:  "Who do you want to take over your senior hurlers lad?"
What I want to see is an overarching approach to development from U-15 right the way through to Senior. Reports are the minors win and are then Demigods, they don't develop from there and by the time they are 23 they are out of the system. We have won 5 of the last 7 minors and none of those players main men on the senior team... If you look at Limerick and Cork they seem to be operating a system where players are developed from a young age in academies, may not win as much under age, but when they graduate they are ready for senior hurling.

maroonedngalway (Galway) - Posts: 6 - 05/10/2021 15:59:40    2384510

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Winning alot underage is looking like more of a hindrance than a help for Galway. When I played against Galway teams underage I was always shocked at their size ..big strong men but not alot more physical by the time we were 20 or 21..its probably better to be a later developer. Winning underage is just a stepping stone. A minor isn't worth a curse in the grand scheme of things ..its a pathway and no more.
You gotta be developing a player with more developing room ahead of him. Id point to Tom Morrissey as a guy who kept developing. I dont think he would have made a Galway underage team. He's not particularly fast and used to have some games where he just couldn't get into 'it'. But he kept lifting.. kept training hard and now he's a 5 point a game from play man and can take the frees if needed. I dont think he'd have been stuck with in Galway where he would have had guys way more effective and consistent at minor. Theres no panacea or golden bullet but I do think Galway need to find guys that they think will eventually make into seniors and maybe not pick guys who are already piquing...I listened to Cyril Farrell and he thinks there's a cohort from 22 to 25 in Galway that need to be looked at...consistent club hurlers.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1572 - 05/10/2021 21:34:44    2384553

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Final group games this weekend.

Moycullen v Sylane: Moycullen
Annaghdown v Kilbeacanty: Annaghdown
Turluoghmore V Carnmore: Carnmore
Spideal v Abbeyknockmoy: Abbey
Eyrecourt v Killimor: Eyrecourt
Athenry v Clairnbridge: Athenry
Kinvara v Rahoon: Rahoon
Kiltormer v Castlegar: Kiltormer

CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 306 - 06/10/2021 14:22:36    2384614

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Winning alot underage is looking like more of a hindrance than a help for Galway. When I played against Galway teams underage I was always shocked at their size ..big strong men but not alot more physical by the time we were 20 or 21..its probably better to be a later developer. Winning underage is just a stepping stone. A minor isn't worth a curse in the grand scheme of things ..its a pathway and no more.
You gotta be developing a player with more developing room ahead of him. Id point to Tom Morrissey as a guy who kept developing. I dont think he would have made a Galway underage team. He's not particularly fast and used to have some games where he just couldn't get into 'it'. But he kept lifting.. kept training hard and now he's a 5 point a game from play man and can take the frees if needed. I dont think he'd have been stuck with in Galway where he would have had guys way more effective and consistent at minor. Theres no panacea or golden bullet but I do think Galway need to find guys that they think will eventually make into seniors and maybe not pick guys who are already piquing...I listened to Cyril Farrell and he thinks there's a cohort from 22 to 25 in Galway that need to be looked at...consistent club hurlers."
It's not a hindrance to be winning minor anyway whatever about anything else. We had nearly 60 years of defeats at minor until we won our first one in 1983 and that was a lot worse! We havent so far manage to build on our minor successes but I think it will happen. First step is to get there at U20 level and getting our U20's into the Leinster championship is a big help in that regard even though it hasnt paid any dividends yet. By the way, the notion that our successful minors are feted as "demi-gods" is overstated....everyone in the county knows at this stage that it means nothing and guarantees nothing at senior so there's no fear of anyone praising them too much!
I think Tom Morrissey would have come through on a Galway team alright! We have had a few late developers too. Gearoid McInerney i think was on the 2011 under 21 panel but he got no game time and was no star and anyone looking at him seeing him play in the following couple of years wouldnt have given him much chance of becoming an established player and going on to become an All Star! Cyril Donnellan was never a skilful player and was mostly ineffective in his younger days but he was persisted with and had one very good year in 2012....up to the replay of that year's All Ireland final that is!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1615 - 06/10/2021 15:50:56    2384632

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It's not a hindrance to be winning minor anyway whatever about anything else. We had nearly 60 years of defeats at minor until we won our first one in 1983 and that was a lot worse! We havent so far manage to build on our minor successes but I think it will happen. First step is to get there at U20 level and getting our U20's into the Leinster championship is a big help in that regard even though it hasnt paid any dividends yet. By the way, the notion that our successful minors are feted as "demi-gods" is overstated....everyone in the county knows at this stage that it means nothing and guarantees nothing at senior so there's no fear of anyone praising them too much!
I think Tom Morrissey would have come through on a Galway team alright! We have had a few late developers too. Gearoid McInerney i think was on the 2011 under 21 panel but he got no game time and was no star and anyone looking at him seeing him play in the following couple of years wouldnt have given him much chance of becoming an established player and going on to become an All Star! Cyril Donnellan was never a skilful player and was mostly ineffective in his younger days but he was persisted with and had one very good year in 2012....up to the replay of that year's All Ireland final that is!"
Rather 2015 was his good year I think until the final replay

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1615 - 06/10/2021 16:36:28    2384638

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Rather 2015 was his good year I think until the final replay"
There was no replay in 2015. The replay was in 2012.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1564 - 06/10/2021 19:12:01    2384654

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Replying To katser:  "Some mouth watering games this Weekend in the final Group fixtures!
Senior A
St.Thomas' v Cappataggle..................Thomas'
Killimordaly v L.Mellows.....................Killimordaly
Loughrea v sarsfields..........................Loughrea
T.Larkins v Oranmore-Maree.............Larkins
Turloughmore v Ahasragh-F...............Turlough
Craughwell v Castlegar........................Craughwell

Senior B
Clairnbridge v Mullagh..........................'Bridge
Ardrahan v Killnadeemna-Leitrim........Ardrahan
Portumna v Beagh..................................Portumna
Ballindeeren v Kilconiron.......................Ballindeeren
Gort v Athenry..........................................Gort
Tynagh-Abbey/Dundry v P.Pearses.......TAD"
Good picks but I think Beagh will beat Portumna.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1370 - 07/10/2021 07:31:53    2384671

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "It's not a hindrance to be winning minor anyway whatever about anything else. We had nearly 60 years of defeats at minor until we won our first one in 1983 and that was a lot worse! We havent so far manage to build on our minor successes but I think it will happen. First step is to get there at U20 level and getting our U20's into the Leinster championship is a big help in that regard even though it hasnt paid any dividends yet. By the way, the notion that our successful minors are feted as "demi-gods" is overstated....everyone in the county knows at this stage that it means nothing and guarantees nothing at senior so there's no fear of anyone praising them too much!
I think Tom Morrissey would have come through on a Galway team alright! We have had a few late developers too. Gearoid McInerney i think was on the 2011 under 21 panel but he got no game time and was no star and anyone looking at him seeing him play in the following couple of years wouldnt have given him much chance of becoming an established player and going on to become an All Star! Cyril Donnellan was never a skilful player and was mostly ineffective in his younger days but he was persisted with and had one very good year in 2012....up to the replay of that year's All Ireland final that is!"
Nobody is feting the minor medalists, case in point Shane Morgan has three winners medals and at this point nobody is touting him as a certain star of the future. No reflection on him obviously, he may get there, he may not.

It's highly likely Morrissey would have made the Galway minors, he won two Munster minor medals and played in an AI minor final. He was a big player on a good minor team. It's likely he might have scraped into the Galway minor team somewhere. You'd swear he was discovered under a rock.

Every team has late developers, but they are rare enough in reality too, it's unusual for senior club form alone to get a player involved for the first time with a county anywhere I would say, certainly at the top level.

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 629 - 07/10/2021 07:33:18    2384672

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James Skehill was on Off the Ball this morning talking about Galway hurling and the challenges that most of us dont see. Very interesting. You can catch up on YouTube. Just go to the Off The Ball Channel

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1217 - 07/10/2021 09:58:17    2384682

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It's being reported on some national radio stations that MoD is still in the running..does this solve managerial problem or would they be better off going another route?

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1419 - 07/10/2021 12:45:10    2384727

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MOD back in the race baby!!!

Here's hoping - he should never have left in the first place.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1280 - 07/10/2021 13:59:06    2384749

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Replying To Ban:  "James Skehill was on Off the Ball this morning talking about Galway hurling and the challenges that most of us dont see. Very interesting. You can catch up on YouTube. Just go to the Off The Ball Channel"
Thanks for the heads up. just listened to it.

He's passionate and 100% correct. We have no proper structures and our CB take the "amateur ethos" to a whole new level!

To be honest I think all of us in Galway know this and are sick to the teeth of it. This is across both codes.

We have mountains of talent but are lucky to scrape an All Ireland in hurling or football every 30 years.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1447 - 07/10/2021 14:22:25    2384757

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Replying To Ban:  "James Skehill was on Off the Ball this morning talking about Galway hurling and the challenges that most of us dont see. Very interesting. You can catch up on YouTube. Just go to the Off The Ball Channel"
Nearly everyone one in Galway knows about our county board and our financial trouble, can't believe MOD and his team raised half a million to fund their own campaign. You would imagine the job is hard enough without having to raise your own money and then deal with that county board! Would love to see him back but all the top table would have to be cleaned out and that ain't going to happen I'm afraid!

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 07/10/2021 15:43:47    2384771

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Thanks for the heads up. just listened to it.

He's passionate and 100% correct. We have no proper structures and our CB take the "amateur ethos" to a whole new level!

To be honest I think all of us in Galway know this and are sick to the teeth of it. This is across both codes.

We have mountains of talent but are lucky to scrape an All Ireland in hurling or football every 30 years."
Players and management alike in the GAA are constantly learning from other sports, all professional. Its no surprise that most Counties are now moving towards a High Performance mentality and planning long term to sustain it.

Allot of County board seem to be on a different plane, especially Galway. This is unfortunate when you have great people willing to make significant contributions, like MOD.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1217 - 07/10/2021 16:16:50    2384778

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Those motivated by self interest will never instigate change, that's just the way of the world. There is people at board level (I'm sure it's the same in a lot counties) although very willing to give their time (which is to be commended) are in it for the wrong reasons.

No surprise change is lead by those with a collective, greater good mindset. Ie players and management in a lot of counties. What we need I think is within 4 points, one leading to the next…

1. Install a new Chairman - public figure, visionary who can drive it on at board level and for our teams like Skehill said. To install would of course be much easier said than done based on what we have seen at board level to date.

2. Change at the top SHOULD help influence better governance across the board. This is crucial. In fairness this has cleaned up last few years on money side of things with the new treasurer and full time finance manager which is a big positive. Of course governance extends beyond this.

3. Once 1&2 in place review implementation report created by KW before he left the football role, implement what we can, don't hide it. MD of course has a vision too, and I'm guessing not too dissimilar to what Walsh wants. There should be no football/hurling divide here.

4. Sponsorship/Fundraising - so much good will in Galway and multinationals dotted all over. If points 1&2 are in place we can begin to rebuild the Galway brand and get that feel good factor going (I don't think it'll take much). If there is accountability in terms of where the money is going (point 1 and particular 2,3 instrumental to this) we will be on the right track.

Easier said than done.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1280 - 07/10/2021 18:32:44    2384814

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Good picks but I think Beagh will beat Portumna."
The only difference between Portumna and Beagh is JC, if Canning is fit to play Portumna should win but without Canning is will be a brutal dog fight on a wet soft day which suits the South Galway sloggers Beagh!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1399 - 07/10/2021 19:46:49    2384827

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That's the start of it....First casualty of this weekend's Senior games due to horrific weather!!!
Clairnbridge v Mullagh tonight 1930hrs OFF due to waterlogged pitch in the Duggan Park.....which is always the best pitch for this time of year!!!
Don't think I've ever seen the Duggan Park "waterlogged" I've seen it soft and sticky but not literally submerged!!
Definitely the Kenny Park Athenry and Loughrea which have a heavier sod will be in trouble this Weekend if the rain doesn't ease off.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1399 - 08/10/2021 15:40:14    2384933

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Replying To katser:  "That's the start of it....First casualty of this weekend's Senior games due to horrific weather!!!
Clairnbridge v Mullagh tonight 1930hrs OFF due to waterlogged pitch in the Duggan Park.....which is always the best pitch for this time of year!!!
Don't think I've ever seen the Duggan Park "waterlogged" I've seen it soft and sticky but not literally submerged!!
Definitely the Kenny Park Athenry and Loughrea which have a heavier sod will be in trouble this Weekend if the rain doesn't ease off."
Portumna and Beagh pushed to Sunday now, why is that? Joe be fit for Sunday and not Saturday ?

CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 306 - 08/10/2021 16:17:21    2384938

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Replying To katser:  "That's the start of it....First casualty of this weekend's Senior games due to horrific weather!!!
Clairnbridge v Mullagh tonight 1930hrs OFF due to waterlogged pitch in the Duggan Park.....which is always the best pitch for this time of year!!!
Don't think I've ever seen the Duggan Park "waterlogged" I've seen it soft and sticky but not literally submerged!!
Definitely the Kenny Park Athenry and Loughrea which have a heavier sod will be in trouble this Weekend if the rain doesn't ease off."
Not the weather, it's the horse fair and the green is right beside the pitch. The road in front of the pitch was all blocked up that was the problem. Weather has actually been ok!

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 206 - 09/10/2021 08:52:56    2384975

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