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Replying To Belclare:  "A Mayo man making snide remarks about Mick O'Dwyer when several of Mayos All -Ireland losses can be directly attributed to poor management on the day.

Pity those managers didn't have an ounce of O'Dwyers attitude as Mayo had the players to win but were hampered by stupid decisions on the sideline ."
Couple that with a few big heads on the Mayo team more worried about taking selfies and their social media than winning an All Ireland,"]Agree.. and Frankie Dolan backs up this with interesting remarks about Mayo players and supporters this morning on OTB sport.."]Yes I see that, no love lost there for sure. Still though Mayo have given is some great days entertainment over the years too.
http://www.otbsports.com/football/frankie-dolan-mayo-maughan-1217837

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1735 - 29/06/2021 11:15:25    2354512

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "
Replying To Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1813 - 29/06/2021 11:20:57    2354515

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Replying To Belclare:  "A Mayo man making snide remarks about Mick O'Dwyer when several of Mayos All -Ireland losses can be directly attributed to poor management on the day.

Pity those managers didn't have an ounce of O'Dwyers attitude as Mayo had the players to win but were hampered by stupid decisions on the sideline ."
Couple that with a few big heads on the Mayo team more worried about taking selfies and their social media than winning an All Ireland,"]Agree.. and Frankie Dolan backs up this with interesting remarks about Mayo players and supporters this morning on OTB sport.."]Ah look, we all know Mayo had a great team, played a great brand of football, were on the end of some disgraceful refereeing decisions, cheating by the Dubs etc but my point relates to management decisions on All-Ireland final days.

I wouldn't pay too much heed to anything on social media, that's the age we live in, the players are deprived enough with the sacrifices they make, after all it's only a cup competition that nobody outside Ireland knows or cares about.

Mayo have always produced "wide boys", that's alright as well, players like Ciaran McDonald, we need and want players like that.

Going back to my original answer regarding showing a team too much respect, it was perfectly illustrated last night when the minnows Switzerland sent the World Champions France packing.

How did they do it, well number 1 they showed France zero respect, they attacked at every opportunity and took them to a penalty shoot-out and won.

In the GAA world it would be akin to a team like Clare beating the current Dublin team in an All-Ireland.

As for Frankie Dolan, he's a rossie doing his best to try and make a few quid selling a book.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 29/06/2021 11:41:02    2354526

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Replying To avonali:  "
Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]A difference between Kerry and Dublin is one team play 90% of their games at home. If Kerry played practically every game at home I would expect their win percentage to improve greatly.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 744 - 29/06/2021 11:48:12    2354531

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Replying To avonali:  "
Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]I thought you said last week that you wouldn't watch the kerry game (or was it 1 of your alter egos?)

You say it's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and much smaller population base to compete with a much stronger county full stop, we'll whereas I do agree that we have got excellent resources here in Kerry which we got off the back of our own hard work I will point out that we have 1 tenth the population of dublin so using your own argument how do we compete with ye?

Also how do we compete with ye when we have to play ye in yer own back yard?

dublin have every advantage bestowed upon them mostly by the games governing body, surely you can't think that's good for the game of football?

We know where we stand, country teams are just cannon fodder for the amusement of the capital, anyway its the gaa's problem and they can fix it or ignore it but the ball is in their court now.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13454 - 29/06/2021 11:58:50    2354538

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Replying To AfricanGael: "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude."
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break.

Reminds me of that Yogi Berra quote
" It's ninety percent mental and the other half is physical"

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 928 - 29/06/2021 12:06:59    2354543

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Replying To AfricanGael: "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude."
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break.

Reminds me of that Yogi Berra quote
" It's ninety percent mental and the other half is physical""
I thought it was James Horan that said that?

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1735 - 29/06/2021 12:15:48    2354548

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "Fully dead? Not half or three quarters dead? Fully dead, no less. Get your plot ready for buriel so, flowers, fancy head stone, the works."
yes fully dead ... the dubs don't even sit and watch the matches any more before the lockdown. its like a night out in the pub ... yes go on win another sam this year its great crack

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 531 - 29/06/2021 12:53:03    2354577

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Don't think you need worry about it anyway, hardly be any Meath men on the team."
2 all Ireland in the life time of the gaa .lol

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 531 - 29/06/2021 12:53:56    2354579

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "
Replying To avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]I thought you said last week that you wouldn't watch the kerry game (or was it 1 of your alter egos?)

You say it's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and much smaller population base to compete with a much stronger county full stop, we'll whereas I do agree that we have got excellent resources here in Kerry which we got off the back of our own hard work I will point out that we have 1 tenth the population of dublin so using your own argument how do we compete with ye?

Also how do we compete with ye when we have to play ye in yer own back yard?

dublin have every advantage bestowed upon them mostly by the games governing body, surely you can't think that's good for the game of football?

We know where we stand, country teams are just cannon fodder for the amusement of the capital, anyway its the gaa's problem and they can fix it or ignore it but the ball is in their court now."]WEll the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what happens his year.
How come home advantage and population weren't an issue in the Kerry Glory years or during the late 90s or the early 200Os?? I remember aunts and uncles taunting me with "WE'll show ye Dubs when we get up to Croke Park in September". And ye did. Ye loved coming to Croke Park. You regarded it as your stomping ground when you were winning.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1813 - 29/06/2021 13:22:11    2354589

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I thought it was James Horan that said that?"
Wouldn't surprise me a bit

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 928 - 29/06/2021 13:43:26    2354597

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Replying To avonali:  "
Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]I thought you said last week that you wouldn't watch the kerry game (or was it 1 of your alter egos?)

You say it's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and much smaller population base to compete with a much stronger county full stop, we'll whereas I do agree that we have got excellent resources here in Kerry which we got off the back of our own hard work I will point out that we have 1 tenth the population of dublin so using your own argument how do we compete with ye?

Also how do we compete with ye when we have to play ye in yer own back yard?

dublin have every advantage bestowed upon them mostly by the games governing body, surely you can't think that's good for the game of football?

We know where we stand, country teams are just cannon fodder for the amusement of the capital, anyway its the gaa's problem and they can fix it or ignore it but the ball is in their court now."]WEll the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what happens his year.
How come home advantage and population weren't an issue in the Kerry Glory years or during the late 90s or the early 200Os?? I remember aunts and uncles taunting me with "WE'll show ye Dubs when we get up to Croke Park in September". And ye did. Ye loved coming to Croke Park. You regarded it as your stomping ground when you were winning."]Yes we will see this year and we can't ignore the last 10 years either., when ye win the allireland this year will you believe me then?

Ya we used to go to crokepark and beat ye back in the days before the money kicked in.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13454 - 29/06/2021 13:54:02    2354605

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Replying To avonali:  "
Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]I thought you said last week that you wouldn't watch the kerry game (or was it 1 of your alter egos?)

You say it's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and much smaller population base to compete with a much stronger county full stop, we'll whereas I do agree that we have got excellent resources here in Kerry which we got off the back of our own hard work I will point out that we have 1 tenth the population of dublin so using your own argument how do we compete with ye?

Also how do we compete with ye when we have to play ye in yer own back yard?

dublin have every advantage bestowed upon them mostly by the games governing body, surely you can't think that's good for the game of football?

We know where we stand, country teams are just cannon fodder for the amusement of the capital, anyway its the gaa's problem and they can fix it or ignore it but the ball is in their court now."]WEll the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what happens his year.
How come home advantage and population weren't an issue in the Kerry Glory years or during the late 90s or the early 200Os?? I remember aunts and uncles taunting me with "WE'll show ye Dubs when we get up to Croke Park in September". And ye did. Ye loved coming to Croke Park. You regarded it as your stomping ground when you were winning."]Dublin used Parnell Park as their home ground in the 90s and early 00's. You have literally confirmed the fact that Kerry competed with Dublin in Croke Park until Dublin started using it as their full time home ground

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 744 - 29/06/2021 13:57:01    2354606

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "
Replying To avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]I thought you said last week that you wouldn't watch the kerry game (or was it 1 of your alter egos?)

You say it's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and much smaller population base to compete with a much stronger county full stop, we'll whereas I do agree that we have got excellent resources here in Kerry which we got off the back of our own hard work I will point out that we have 1 tenth the population of dublin so using your own argument how do we compete with ye?

Also how do we compete with ye when we have to play ye in yer own back yard?

dublin have every advantage bestowed upon them mostly by the games governing body, surely you can't think that's good for the game of football?

We know where we stand, country teams are just cannon fodder for the amusement of the capital, anyway its the gaa's problem and they can fix it or ignore it but the ball is in their court now."]WEll the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what happens his year.
How come home advantage and population weren't an issue in the Kerry Glory years or during the late 90s or the early 200Os?? I remember aunts and uncles taunting me with "WE'll show ye Dubs when we get up to Croke Park in September". And ye did. Ye loved coming to Croke Park. You regarded it as your stomping ground when you were winning."]Dublin used Parnell Park as their home ground in the 90s and early 00's. You have literally confirmed the fact that Kerry competed with Dublin in Croke Park until Dublin started using it as their full time home ground"]Exactly, it has helped dublin big time playing their league games there, that and the money and population.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13454 - 29/06/2021 14:05:20    2354609

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "[quote=avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
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I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]I thought you said last week that you wouldn't watch the kerry game (or was it 1 of your alter egos?)

You say it's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and much smaller population base to compete with a much stronger county full stop, we'll whereas I do agree that we have got excellent resources here in Kerry which we got off the back of our own hard work I will point out that we have 1 tenth the population of dublin so using your own argument how do we compete with ye?

Also how do we compete with ye when we have to play ye in yer own back yard?

dublin have every advantage bestowed upon them mostly by the games governing body, surely you can't think that's good for the game of football?

We know where we stand, country teams are just cannon fodder for the amusement of the capital, anyway its the gaa's problem and they can fix it or ignore it but the ball is in their court now."]WEll the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what happens his year.
How come home advantage and population weren't an issue in the Kerry Glory years or during the late 90s or the early 200Os?? I remember aunts and uncles taunting me with "WE'll show ye Dubs when we get up to Croke Park in September". And ye did. Ye loved coming to Croke Park. You regarded it as your stomping ground when you were winning."]Dublin used Parnell Park as their home ground in the 90s and early 00's. You have literally confirmed the fact that Kerry competed with Dublin in Croke Park until Dublin started using it as their full time home ground"]Exactly, it has helped dublin big time playing their league games there, that and the money and population."]Overall it is hard to disagree with you. However I think it is important to hold Dublin up as an example of what can be achieved with proper funding and good governance. I think this discussion should be looked at as applauding Dublin and learning from them rather than a criticism

I have my own suspicions that at least half the counties in the country would waste away the money if it was given to them on short termism and vanity projects and be back to square one in 3 years.

That doesn't mean that they should not be funded. They should and heavily funded to try and correct the imbalance but the funding should be tightly controlled and focus should be put on coaching at grass routes in these counties. A certain amount could be ring fenced for the elite side of the game but what most counties need is to develop the overall quality and in time this will lead to the county team improving.

Regarding automatic home advantage for the Dublin team, this has to stop straight away. For a number of reasons:

Teams have some chance of making a game of it outside Croker (although let no one be under any illusions, this current crop of Dublin players are special and would win anywhere....... but maybe the games would be tighter)

It would bring a great carnival to provincial towns. Packed stadiums, great buzz etc rather than the same amount of people in an empty Croker

Provincial towns would be all about the match, whereas in Dublin people might not even realise there is a game on. That's why as a Galway man I prefer Tuam to Salthill (irrespective of traffic). Everyone in Tuam is in game mode whereas in Salthill at least half the people don't even know it is on. The buzz around the place is completely different because of this.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1416 - 29/06/2021 14:33:18    2354623

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=sourmilk93:  "[quote=avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=avonali:  "[quote=KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=Gleebo:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I hope you don't ever take up management or coaching because you wont win anything.

I wouldn't show the Dubs an ounce of respect if I was playing against or managing a team against them, not one fn ounce.

And when they are knocked off their perch it will be by a team who has my attitude.
"
I'm sure you're a future Mick O'Dwyer in waiting alright. All it takes is attitude! Gimme a break. The top teams have been tearing into the Dubs for the past decade and it has made no difference whatsoever, if anything their margin of victory over their nearest rivals (not to mention the cannon fodder counties in Leinster) is increasing and their team's average age is dropping.

I wonder how many All-Irelands in a row it'll take before the penny drops with some people? My bet is ten, but then some are remarkably hard-headed...

The systematic approach put in place in Dublin, coupled with long-term changes (depopulation?) in rural Ireland mean that the last decade is not a blip, but a pattern. Dublin will dominate the All-Ireland championship for now on."
You're correct about dublin winning the next 3-4 allirelands (at least) and when they do you'll still have some country folk thinking they're team can bate em , I think people need to take the emotion out of it when looking at this dublin team that the gaa hierarchy created with lashings of cash (because they reckoned a strong dublin would be good for them) and its them and only them that have the power to slay the beast now and let them clean up their own mess."]YOu're wrong and you can't make an argument based on a prediction that may or may not happen.
Look at some of the results in the Championship so fay. Absolute turkey shoots. Dublin are merely a symptom of a systemic flaw in our current structures. Look at Kerry v Clare..an utter bore fest. IN 2007 Kerry beat Waterford 2-15 to 4 points!!!! They outscored them 5 times!! Are your telling me those sort of drubbings are ok in Muster but not in Leinster. It's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and a much smaller population base into competition with a much stronger county- full stop.
Yes, the Leinster Championship is a joke. But you won't solve the deep rooted problems by focussing on one county. These unfair imbalances exist right throughout the Championship intercounty scene.
I know you hate hearing this but it's true. Kerry footballers lack nothing. There is no strength and conditioning gap; Dublin footballers are not having individually prepared foot delivered to their doors; Kerry's training facilities out in Currans is second to none; ye have explorers, basketball players, s&c experts to name just a few; ye have employed professional sportsmen from Australia( Kennelly/ Walsh/ ; some of your players took sabbaticals from their jobs in order to focus on their football; ye have the backing of the world's biggest food brand. Compare that to the resources of say the Clare footballers or some other smaller county. There is no shortage of cash Kerry. That's why when KERRY whinge they often earn the scorn of supporters from other counties. AS my father would say "Aren't ye badly off?"
The difference between Dublin and Kerry is a difference of degree rather than kind. It's not ok for Dublin to have advantages but it's ok for Kerry. Is that what you're saying???"]I thought you said last week that you wouldn't watch the kerry game (or was it 1 of your alter egos?)

You say it's wrong to expect a county with much fewer resources and much smaller population base to compete with a much stronger county full stop, we'll whereas I do agree that we have got excellent resources here in Kerry which we got off the back of our own hard work I will point out that we have 1 tenth the population of dublin so using your own argument how do we compete with ye?

Also how do we compete with ye when we have to play ye in yer own back yard?

dublin have every advantage bestowed upon them mostly by the games governing body, surely you can't think that's good for the game of football?

We know where we stand, country teams are just cannon fodder for the amusement of the capital, anyway its the gaa's problem and they can fix it or ignore it but the ball is in their court now."]WEll the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Let's see what happens his year.
How come home advantage and population weren't an issue in the Kerry Glory years or during the late 90s or the early 200Os?? I remember aunts and uncles taunting me with "WE'll show ye Dubs when we get up to Croke Park in September". And ye did. Ye loved coming to Croke Park. You regarded it as your stomping ground when you were winning."]Dublin used Parnell Park as their home ground in the 90s and early 00's. You have literally confirmed the fact that Kerry competed with Dublin in Croke Park until Dublin started using it as their full time home ground"]Exactly, it has helped dublin big time playing their league games there, that and the money and population."]Overall it is hard to disagree with you. However I think it is important to hold Dublin up as an example of what can be achieved with proper funding and good governance. I think this discussion should be looked at as applauding Dublin and learning from them rather than a criticism

I have my own suspicions that at least half the counties in the country would waste away the money if it was given to them on short termism and vanity projects and be back to square one in 3 years.

That doesn't mean that they should not be funded. They should and heavily funded to try and correct the imbalance but the funding should be tightly controlled and focus should be put on coaching at grass routes in these counties. A certain amount could be ring fenced for the elite side of the game but what most counties need is to develop the overall quality and in time this will lead to the county team improving.

Regarding automatic home advantage for the Dublin team, this has to stop straight away. For a number of reasons:

Teams have some chance of making a game of it outside Croker (although let no one be under any illusions, this current crop of Dublin players are special and would win anywhere....... but maybe the games would be tighter)

It would bring a great carnival to provincial towns. Packed stadiums, great buzz etc rather than the same amount of people in an empty Croker

Provincial towns would be all about the match, whereas in Dublin people might not even realise there is a game on. That's why as a Galway man I prefer Tuam to Salthill (irrespective of traffic). Everyone in Tuam is in game mode whereas in Salthill at least half the people don't even know it is on. The buzz around the place is completely different because of this."]To be fair with the way galway is designed and how small it is you very much know a game is on when somethings on in Pearse Stadium. Having lived in Salthill on the main road of the town i know that full well from experience!!

Dublin do need to move from Croke Park but the format of football season has to change completely from the league leading into championship and how the championship is structured if you want dublin playing more key/big games outside croke park

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2527 - 29/06/2021 15:26:23    2354643

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Replying To meath1977:  "2 all Ireland in the life time of the gaa .lol"
what are you on about??

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1735 - 29/06/2021 17:13:46    2354674

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "what are you on about??"
you were on about meath not having anyone on your rest of Ireland match.. I say worry about your own county . 2 all- Ireland in the hold life time of the gaa ... and with some of the best players in the country ye should be winning all - Irelands a lot more offen so look at why that is instead of worrying about others

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 531 - 29/06/2021 22:24:17    2354768

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Replying To meath1977:  "you were on about meath not having anyone on your rest of Ireland match.. I say worry about your own county . 2 all- Ireland in the hold life time of the gaa ... and with some of the best players in the country ye should be winning all - Irelands a lot more offen so look at why that is instead of worrying about others"
Well he wasn't lying! Who in the Meath team would get on an Irish select team? The Trevor Giles and Graham Geraghty days are long gone.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 30/06/2021 09:09:52    2354802

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Replying To MurphBalls:  "Well he wasn't lying! Who in the Meath team would get on an Irish select team? The Trevor Giles and Graham Geraghty days are long gone."
worry about your own county

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 531 - 30/06/2021 09:58:59    2354817

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