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Cork just can't be this far behind kerry, at the time of writing there's 7 goals in it,,since they scored their goal there's been a 26 point turnaround,, surely they can do better than this

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 936 - 25/07/2021 17:37:13    2363951

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Cork just can't be this far behind kerry, at the time of writing there's 7 goals in it,,since they scored their goal there's been a 26 point turnaround,, surely they can do better than this"
Most of the country are a long way behind this Kerry team and it won't be the last big loss they'll hand out to various teams over the next few years. There is obviously one team that isn't but whilst this year's All Ireland will be close, Kerry will win it and I think start their own period of dominance.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 845 - 25/07/2021 17:50:35    2363954

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Replying To realdub:  "Bejaysus if Dublin had beat Meath like this there'd be an outcry!"
Because Dublin have advantages. If a county without major advantages does it.. fair play to them!

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1043 - 25/07/2021 17:59:56    2363959

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Kerry favourites now to win All Ireland. That's the bookies, not me."
It's because dublin have to play mayo. Not because they think Kerry is the better team.

Sssthe (Mayo) - Posts: 47 - 25/07/2021 18:01:26    2363961

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The negativity around football is quite irritating. You have good teams and bad teams in every competition. There are structural problems in the game for sure, some of the rules are bizarre, take a free scoring chance for a catch! . But every sport has these problems. If Liverpool stuff someone 7-0 no one bats an eyelid, so what?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4727 - 25/07/2021 18:05:06    2363965

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "I think the mechanism was already there for this. Promote the railway cup properly and start it again. Make it prestigious. Maybe have teams made up from all the players of teams that did not make their provincial finals. Then, the winning team can play the winning all ireland county in a one off show piece instead of the terrible all star game. If it was promoted and made prestigious, it would give an opportunity for top players in smaller counties to compete at a higher level with a chance to win something."
Spot on Baldybadger I've been banging that drum for years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3211 - 25/07/2021 18:06:36    2363967

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Could be worth a shot, but even though provinces historically are a presence in our mindset, I'm not sure if there's any enthusiasm for them in the GAA anymore,, bizarrely enough I think players might buy into the idea of divisional County teams more, like we see in the kerry club championship.
For example if all leinster teams in the bottom two league divisions combined for the all Ireland championship, I'd like to see how that would go."
Non starter Galway9801 noone I know in any if the so called weaker counties want to be combined.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3211 - 25/07/2021 18:07:42    2363970

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Replying To omahant:  "Take it further - from the bottom 20, create 4 divisional teams,- and they join the top 12 in a 16-team League Championship.
Divide the 16 into 3 ranked seeding pots of 4, 6 & 6 teams.
Draw 2 teams from pots 2 & 3, and at least 1 from pot 1, to each of 3 groups, of 5, 5 & 6 teams.
The 5s play round robins and the 6 play the other 10 - so each team plays a 10-match schedule.
Top 8 of 16 to Aussie AFL-style playoffs."
It's an intercounty championship. If you are going to go away from this why not just introduce professional clubs? Btw I'm not proposing that as a solution because it goes against every principle the GAA is founded on. Parish, club and county. Identity.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3211 - 25/07/2021 18:11:06    2363973

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Replying To Ronan1989:  "Wow Galway had the game in the palm of their hands....

Make no mistake this result is because Galway stopped playing in the second half not due to the talent of Mayo.

Dublin to beat Mayo by 5/6 points"
Isnt Dublins next game against Kildare?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3211 - 25/07/2021 18:12:15    2363975

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Before this championship started I had Cork at high intermediate level. I certainly have to reassess that evaluation after what I witnessed today. How did Limerick ever manage to leave that game behind them against that Cork side? I suppose, if you don't take your chances, you can't expect to win!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 697 - 25/07/2021 18:19:19    2363978

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Replying To realdub:  "Absolutely, glad I got them at 13/8!"
Dublin 11/8 now,

I just hope that if they are caught that it's next weekend or against Mayo. There would be only one truly awful end to the glory years!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 245 - 25/07/2021 18:20:10    2363979

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Only competitive province is Ulster, the rest is mostly dross until the All Ireland semi final stage, it's a broken system and I hope we can find and implement a solution soon, 3 tiered Championship for me gives teams a realistic chance of wining something at their own level.
Kerry Dublin final looks the most likely still but now that Dublin have regressed a bit Mayo have the runners to test them out in the semi final, best chance to catch Dublin out having coasted through Leinster.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1770 - 25/07/2021 18:24:54    2363982

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Galway were 16 pts down in the hurling yesterday and showed a bit about them to get back into it, they failed but at least they didnt just accept their fate and fought til the death and gave Waterford a bit of a fright. What is Corks excuse?

These traditional teams like Cork and to a lesser extent this year in fairness to the, Meath, have been routinely getting absolutely toyed with for the best part of 10 years against the Dublins and Kerry's. It doesnt happen in Ulster cause the Ulster teams dont stand for that carry on.

It's not money, it's not population, it's not tradition.... it's old fashioned guts and grit and not accepting this sh8t. Make teams feel uncomfortable being in the pitch even if you're not as good. Not having it that cork are 20+ pts worse than kerry. They just have a rotten attitude and until teams are willing to get stuck in and make life difficult for the top teams then we will continue to have these absolute borefests.

Grim.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13617 - 25/07/2021 18:33:13    2363988

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i think i have eventually stumbled on the best championship structure that ticks every box i can think of.

JANUARY: mid january football league starts, played every second week, so lets say starts sunday 10th Jan., games follow jan 24th, sun 7th feb, sun 21 feb, sun,7th march, sun 21st march with final round played sunday 4th April.

Winner of league div 1,2,3, and 4 is team that finishs top no league finals. however i would have playoff weekend the following sat/sun 10th and 11th april where teams that finish second and third in div 2,3 and 4 play off for promotion. these would be held in neutral provincial town venues, maybe double headers etc. this would make fantastic excitement and bring in great crowds.it would also leave a huge amount up for grabs in last few league matches. also bring in great revenue to provincial towns. After that you could start the provoncial championships. maybe a fortnight later so late april, these would ideally be run off in exactly 4-5 weeks no need to drag these out.

Have one weekend end of May as finals weekend where they all take place on saturday and sunday 2 each.

After that in early june all 32 counties are put into 8 groups of 4. the 8 finalists for the provicial championships are seeded, so thats there reward for trying to get to a provincial final you get a draw that usually avoids the big guns, kerry,mayo,galway , tyrone dublin.

3 group games played over 3 weekends. top 2 into sam maguire and borrom 2 into tailteann cup, straight knockout every second week thereafter. 16/8/4/ to a final. should take all of june for group stages , then knockout in july with final late august. for 90% of counties they will be out of inter county action by late july and can start club championships in august.

PLUSES:
-Every county has a crack at winning sam
-your demoted to tailteann cup off your own perfermonances in that year.
-still gives a county thats a minnow a chance of a glory run, say limerick end up in munsster final they are seeded away from big guns they could end up in an all ireland quater final easily.
- a team gets to rescue their season in tailteann cup maybe a galway , armagh or meath could end up in it and win it and build something from it.
- it keeps provoncial championship relevant
- league play offs could be a massive crank up of GAA season just as good weather comes in.
-huge amount to play for in th last two league games because 3rd place is a play off. probably every county in 3 divisons will have something huge at stake in last group game
Negatives :
A lot of games

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 575 - 25/07/2021 18:42:31    2363997

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Before this championship started I had Cork at high intermediate level. I certainly have to reassess that evaluation after what I witnessed today. How did Limerick ever manage to leave that game behind them against that Cork side? I suppose, if you don't take your chances, you can't expect to win!"
Are you serious? Limerick are lucky they lost to Cork! Would have been annihilated by Kerry in Killarney. I am hoping for Kerry and Dublin final ! The gap between them and the rest is a chasm!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 25/07/2021 18:43:07    2363999

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Replying To arock:  "The negativity around football is quite irritating. You have good teams and bad teams in every competition. There are structural problems in the game for sure, some of the rules are bizarre, take a free scoring chance for a catch! . But every sport has these problems. If Liverpool stuff someone 7-0 no one bats an eyelid, so what?"
True. There have always good teams and bad teams, since the very beginning.1979 was a particularly fruitful year for the hammering of the minnow: Meath 6-19, Kilkenny 0-3; Dublin 4-16, Louth 0-4; Kerry 9-31, Clare 1-09 in the Milltown Massacre; and even in the AI semi-final, Kerry 5-14, Monaghan 0-7.

I didn't hear anyone cry mile murder back then. It is only since Dublin took over and done the 5-in-a-row (then 6) that all the lamentation has started.

It's high time, and has been for a long time to scrap the provincial championships. Everyone says Leinster is dead. Munster is worse and has always been worse. For all the talk of Dublin's dominance, the county has only 59 Leinster titles, which pales in comparison to Kerry's 82 titles in Munster. For about 70 of those titles the Kerry county board could have just as easily have sent a self stamped-addressed box to the Munster council for return delivery of the cup, which no one seems to even know the name of, such was the totally lop-sided nature and imbalance involved.

What value can a player put on a medal, the winning of which is as easy as taking candy off a baby?

The GAA needs to level the playing field. Pit teams against teams of similar worth and ability, and let them have at it. And don't mention this bridging-the-gap BS. The likes of Leitrim, Carlow, Waterford, Kilkenny, Louth, Antrim, etc. (and a lot more) will never bridge the gap on counties like Galway, Mayo, Tyrone, Kerry, and Dublin (and a couple more). They have all had 137 years since the foundation of the association to bridge-the-gap. They haven't done it. In the next 137 years, they won't do it, either.

Let a bit of common sense and cop-on prevail in the GAA for a change.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 697 - 25/07/2021 18:48:45    2364002

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Awful Championship so far,some competition in Ulster but the rest is just a very bad joke.
Hard to believe that the current President has the ... if its not broken don't fix it kinda attitude.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 863 - 25/07/2021 19:32:30    2364022

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Only competitive province is Ulster, the rest is mostly dross until the All Ireland semi final stage, it's a broken system and I hope we can find and implement a solution soon, 3 tiered Championship for me gives teams a realistic chance of wining something at their own level.
Kerry Dublin final looks the most likely still but now that Dublin have regressed a bit Mayo have the runners to test them out in the semi final, best chance to catch Dublin out having coasted through Leinster."
Leinster championship was competitive this year, Dublin didn't Coast through it this time, and I think you'll find they haven't won it yet either, allot of average teams up north with the reining ulster champions in division 4 and look what happened to them last year against dublin. The Tyrone and armagh teams of the mid naughties would hammer everyone in ulster at the minute unfortunately.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 521 - 25/07/2021 19:39:42    2364025

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Replying To arock:  "The negativity around football is quite irritating. You have good teams and bad teams in every competition. There are structural problems in the game for sure, some of the rules are bizarre, take a free scoring chance for a catch! . But every sport has these problems. If Liverpool stuff someone 7-0 no one bats an eyelid, so what?"
Because in soccer there's more of a chance of a small fish beating a big gun on any given day, like when Villa stuffed Liverpool 7-2 when they were Champions.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 25/07/2021 19:42:33    2364030

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Replying To dickie10:  "i think i have eventually stumbled on the best championship structure that ticks every box i can think of.

JANUARY: mid january football league starts, played every second week, so lets say starts sunday 10th Jan., games follow jan 24th, sun 7th feb, sun 21 feb, sun,7th march, sun 21st march with final round played sunday 4th April.

Winner of league div 1,2,3, and 4 is team that finishs top no league finals. however i would have playoff weekend the following sat/sun 10th and 11th april where teams that finish second and third in div 2,3 and 4 play off for promotion. these would be held in neutral provincial town venues, maybe double headers etc. this would make fantastic excitement and bring in great crowds.it would also leave a huge amount up for grabs in last few league matches. also bring in great revenue to provincial towns. After that you could start the provoncial championships. maybe a fortnight later so late april, these would ideally be run off in exactly 4-5 weeks no need to drag these out.

Have one weekend end of May as finals weekend where they all take place on saturday and sunday 2 each.

After that in early june all 32 counties are put into 8 groups of 4. the 8 finalists for the provicial championships are seeded, so thats there reward for trying to get to a provincial final you get a draw that usually avoids the big guns, kerry,mayo,galway , tyrone dublin.

3 group games played over 3 weekends. top 2 into sam maguire and borrom 2 into tailteann cup, straight knockout every second week thereafter. 16/8/4/ to a final. should take all of june for group stages , then knockout in july with final late august. for 90% of counties they will be out of inter county action by late july and can start club championships in august.

PLUSES:
-Every county has a crack at winning sam
-your demoted to tailteann cup off your own perfermonances in that year.
-still gives a county thats a minnow a chance of a glory run, say limerick end up in munsster final they are seeded away from big guns they could end up in an all ireland quater final easily.
- a team gets to rescue their season in tailteann cup maybe a galway , armagh or meath could end up in it and win it and build something from it.
- it keeps provoncial championship relevant
- league play offs could be a massive crank up of GAA season just as good weather comes in.
-huge amount to play for in th last two league games because 3rd place is a play off. probably every county in 3 divisons will have something huge at stake in last group game
Negatives :
A lot of games"
The negative is that there's a lot of mismatches still. There's also no need to start the league so early and run it off as long as you do. 2 break weekends is enough and a final one after it.

Run provincials off after league if you want then. 6 weeks is needed for that. We're up to 16 weeks total.

Go into 2 tier All Ireland then after that.

Top 16 into 4 groups of 4. Bottom 16 into 4 groups of 4. It'll take 9 more weeks to play that off. 25 week season, starts in February, ends at the end of July.

Tier 1 Made up of 4 Provincial champions, Previous season's All Ireland champions, Previous season's Tier 2 champions. 10 best teams from the league not already qualified.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3565 - 25/07/2021 19:47:28    2364033

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