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Replying To Royal.Legend: "Dominate division 1 when was the last time a ulster side won division 1" Think he means there are more Ulster sides in div1 than from any other province. That has been the case for many years now.
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Replying To johnocarroll17: "The Munster championship has become as lopsided and irrelevant as the Leinster championship." Munster championship has always been lopsided. Kerry have won nearly 2/3rds of them. Dublin havent even won half the Leinster championships.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 26/07/2021 10:55:32
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Replying To supersub15: "You would have to be bred, born, and reared in a weaker county to understand what a weak county in reality is, the numbers are growing, by my reckoning there is 8 counties that need emergency help, (which they are not going to get.) another 3 need additional help, (which they are not going to get either.) another 5 are surviving on nervous energy and sheer willpower, that is a conservative estimate, very conservative.
For starters, if we pick one county from each province, like, Wicklow (Leinster) Waterford (Munster) and Fermanagh (Ulster) that is 10.5 % of the counties that may never win a provincial title, my own county Carlow won one LSF championship title in 1944, I could go on as there is plenty more counties in the same boat in fact it has been like that for the past mega years, as far as I can see the problem is irreversible, for ever.
The GAA is a HYBRID organisation that simply can't work effectively / efficiently in this very modern fiscal world of ours, remove Dublin and it would be very noticeable, but then there are others hiding in the long grass, the GAA is a very much political association it's full of politics partly the reason why a snap or quick decision can't be made, it takes forever to make the simplest of changes. (by design)
It appears as if the GAA are shackled to the media big time including RTE, small fry like the weakest of the weak counties are just a nuisance to the media all inclusive. If I were born and reared in say, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, etc, I simply wouldn't want to know the problems of other counties such as the weaker ones, now that sort of makes me a hypocrite with a capital H.
After 20 years we are back to the open knock out draw, it's only with that, that we can see the imbalance that's out there, it's the same imbalance that was there 20 years ago, so in their wisdom the mighty back door was put in situ and a bigger monster was created, an extra game, a day in the sun, problem solved, my - - - e.
I came on here a few years ago to get a feel for peoples thoughts on gaelic games, the back door system and where it is going, as well as that to throw out my own views on where we the weaker counties are not going anytime soon, even though posters here are anonymous I found I can read between the lines, I sort of got good at that, because of posters anonymity I would rate less than 20% of all posts / posters genuine, another 20 or 25% hypocritical in so far that so called chitter chatter established counties will accept a poster who is not signed up to or affiliated to a county of their own, but instead fly a jolly Rodger like UK, USA, Australia at the same time ignore home grown posters signed up their rightfully owned county.
It's very probable that levelling the playing field I used to dream about may never happen, why should it when we allow it to be no more than a talking shop." When Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh, Derry etc made their breakthrough none had won an AI ever in over a century of trying. Carlos population is growing. You have some excellent footballers. To say you will never make the breakthrough is a bit negative although I agree it's not going to be this year or next. As regards some of the proposals on this to amalgamate counties or run 3rd tier competitions would you be happy with being amalgamated with us and Wicklow and Kilkenny for talks sake? I wouldnt. It was great to be playing you in the league and Wicklow in the championship. 2 good close games. So what if we arent going to win Sam anytime soon.
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Replying To Viking66: "Think he means there are more Ulster sides in div1 than from any other province. That has been the case for many years now." Ulster teams have won f all Div 1 titles, f all.
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Kerry looked Super yesterday and i think we are seeing a changing of the guard, some fine players Paudie Clifford has made a huge difference and he is knitting together those forward lines that on paper have so much quality but functionally never quite roared - until now. Thought Cork were a bit naïve yesterday, stuck rigidly to locking down men and sure that just created space to push men forward.
Some learning for rivals, Kerry were knocked of kilter in the first half and they didn't like it, to their credit they stuck to task and quality won in the end. Still dont think the balance is quite right, they leave a lot of space in behind and i still they struggle with kicked and high ball, thought it was possible to squeeze the keepers kick out as well. Tactically i think you can still get at Keane But when you can put teams to the sword by the score they did your knit picking. Tactically i think you can still get at Keane.
Would be a big surprise if an Ulster team took them out, but you never know, if nothing else it will be a battle and a test of hunger. So the smell of an All Ireland final is the air for Kerry bar a shock - congrats and unless we improve by a good 40% i think its theirs to loose.
Mayo look to have the hunger, it will be a ding dong of a semi, if we are to get there and i suspect be a lot more touch and go than last year given Dublin's regression - or performances so far. But so it be it. We have a job of work to do this Sunday and we wont be thinking much beyond it, nor can we as we have been way off our high standard of our great teams of recent years. O 'Connor has Kildare purring, though they have been unlucky with injuries heading into this, that said we are missing ourselves.
All heating up nicely at the mo, we would be favorites of course for the whole shabang, but im not sure its reflective of the football on the ground, i think its Kerrys to loose as the crow flies, currently looking the best team in Ireland and putting in some serious performers to back it up - over to the other contenders next weekend.
Either way we'l be there, looking forward to hurling on Sat and Croker on Sun.
As always, Up The Du6s.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/07/2021 11:33:33
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Replying To TheUsername: "Kerry looked Super yesterday and i think we are seeing a changing of the guard, some fine players Paudie Clifford has made a huge difference and he is knitting together those forward lines that on paper have so much quality but functionally never quite roared - until now. Thought Cork were a bit naïve yesterday, stuck rigidly to locking down men and sure that just created space to push men forward.
Some learning for rivals, Kerry were knocked of kilter in the first half and they didn't like it, to their credit they stuck to task and quality won in the end. Still dont think the balance is quite right, they leave a lot of space in behind and i still they struggle with kicked and high ball, thought it was possible to squeeze the keepers kick out as well. Tactically i think you can still get at Keane But when you can put teams to the sword by the score they did your knit picking. Tactically i think you can still get at Keane.
Would be a big surprise if an Ulster team took them out, but you never know, if nothing else it will be a battle and a test of hunger. So the smell of an All Ireland final is the air for Kerry bar a shock - congrats and unless we improve by a good 40% i think its theirs to loose.
Mayo look to have the hunger, it will be a ding dong of a semi, if we are to get there and i suspect be a lot more touch and go than last year given Dublin's regression - or performances so far. But so it be it. We have a job of work to do this Sunday and we wont be thinking much beyond it, nor can we as we have been way off our high standard of our great teams of recent years. O 'Connor has Kildare purring, though they have been unlucky with injuries heading into this, that said we are missing ourselves.
All heating up nicely at the mo, we would be favorites of course for the whole shabang, but im not sure its reflective of the football on the ground, i think its Kerrys to loose as the crow flies, currently looking the best team in Ireland and putting in some serious performers to back it up - over to the other contenders next weekend.
Either way we'l be there, looking forward to hurling on Sat and Croker on Sun.
As always, Up The Du6s." Cork for hurling and Kerry for football as they used say years ago? I hope we get a Kerry Dublin final as that is the marquee pairing!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 26/07/2021 13:10:28
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I hope for Cork's sake that they are better than me. I'm gone 60 now. You're the man who has been pushing Cork footballers' entitlement to be senior, much to the amusement of many other posters. We all saw what that entitlement is worth today; not worth a ball of blue.
And don't go on about the league, as you're wont to do. Teams do not put out their best teams in the league. They try new players, game plans, etc.
Wake up and smell the Barry's Tea, but have a good drink of reality, before you post on here again." You think if you were over 60 you would would have learnt a bit of cop on. I know a lot more about Cork football than you do. I know it's limitations . Yesterday was not good. But that does not mean they are bad footballers. Plenty of those players won an All Ireland under 20 title two years ago. Plenty of those players play at the highest level at colleges football.
The talent is there in Cork. You are in no position to argue otherwise. It is probably not as well managed as it should be but the solution to that is to fix it and manage it better.
Of the 5 remaining teams at under 20 , only 1 of those counties are in Division 1. 3 of them played Division 3 in last 2 years and having seen off their supposed better talented players from current Division 1 counties you want them to have no future at top level football. Perhaps take a drink of Barry's Tea yourself instead of whatever you are drinking!!
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Ulster teams have won f all Div 1 titles, f all." Well that's just not true
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 26/07/2021 15:34:59
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Replying To Rockies: "Cork for hurling and Kerry for football as they used say years ago? I hope we get a Kerry Dublin final as that is the marquee pairing!" kerry will win the all ireland if they go out and play attacking football . the dubs domination is at an end
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I noticed that there was minimum air time given to discussing the gulf between Cork and Kerry on the Sunday Game . If this was Limerick or Waterford beaten by 22 points in a Munster final by Kerry, they would be an outcry to have a second tier competition introduced almost straight away. I accept that Kerry are a footballing stronghold playing in a hurling province but the Munster championship is more uncompetitive than the Leinster championship which is regularly derided and discussed at length. I realise that part of the reason for no discussion is that the media (RTE) commentators and pundits favour a Cork-Kerry Munster final every year but how can there be no discussion about the gulf in class when between a team in Division 1 and a team in Division 2.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1909 - 26/07/2021 16:27:28
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Replying To Wally: "Well that's just not true" When did an Ulster team last win D1?
2008.
A strange definition of dominance.
Mac&Cheese (Mayo) - Posts: 9 - 26/07/2021 16:41:36
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Replying To mickcunningham: "kerry will win the all ireland if they go out and play attacking football . the dubs domination is at an end" Kerry domination instead so
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Replying To wicklowsupport: "I noticed that there was minimum air time given to discussing the gulf between Cork and Kerry on the Sunday Game . If this was Limerick or Waterford beaten by 22 points in a Munster final by Kerry, they would be an outcry to have a second tier competition introduced almost straight away. I accept that Kerry are a footballing stronghold playing in a hurling province but the Munster championship is more uncompetitive than the Leinster championship which is regularly derided and discussed at length. I realise that part of the reason for no discussion is that the media (RTE) commentators and pundits favour a Cork-Kerry Munster final every year but how can there be no discussion about the gulf in class when between a team in Division 1 and a team in Division 2." Dominance can't be attributed to 1 game, no matter the gulf on the scoreboard.
Cork beat Kerry last year.
Dublin have won 10 Leinsters in a row, soon to be 11.
If you can't see the difference, I don't know what else to say.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 26/07/2021 17:22:31
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Replying To Wally: "Well that's just not true" Oh it's true alright Wally, even though Ulster have been the most represented province in Division 1, which actually makes their record even worse, an Ulster team hasn't won a Division 1 title for a very long time.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 26/07/2021 17:39:48
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Replying To superbluedub: "Kerry domination instead so" Yes. Kerry dominant in football and Limerick in hurling. Just check Boylesports ...Limerick 1/2 whereas they have Dublin at 66/1 to win outright for the hurling all Ireland
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 26/07/2021 17:42:44
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Replying To Wally: "Well that's just not true" we know its, we can read
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Replying To supersub15: "You would have to be bred, born, and reared in a weaker county to understand what a weak county in reality is, the numbers are growing, by my reckoning there is 8 counties that need emergency help, (which they are not going to get.) another 3 need additional help, (which they are not going to get either.) another 5 are surviving on nervous energy and sheer willpower, that is a conservative estimate, very conservative.
For starters, if we pick one county from each province, like, Wicklow (Leinster) Waterford (Munster) and Fermanagh (Ulster) that is 10.5 % of the counties that may never win a provincial title, my own county Carlow won one LSF championship title in 1944, I could go on as there is plenty more counties in the same boat in fact it has been like that for the past mega years, as far as I can see the problem is irreversible, for ever.
The GAA is a HYBRID organisation that simply can't work effectively / efficiently in this very modern fiscal world of ours, remove Dublin and it would be very noticeable, but then there are others hiding in the long grass, the GAA is a very much political association it's full of politics partly the reason why a snap or quick decision can't be made, it takes forever to make the simplest of changes. (by design)
It appears as if the GAA are shackled to the media big time including RTE, small fry like the weakest of the weak counties are just a nuisance to the media all inclusive. If I were born and reared in say, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, etc, I simply wouldn't want to know the problems of other counties such as the weaker ones, now that sort of makes me a hypocrite with a capital H.
After 20 years we are back to the open knock out draw, it's only with that, that we can see the imbalance that's out there, it's the same imbalance that was there 20 years ago, so in their wisdom the mighty back door was put in situ and a bigger monster was created, an extra game, a day in the sun, problem solved, my - - - e.
I came on here a few years ago to get a feel for peoples thoughts on gaelic games, the back door system and where it is going, as well as that to throw out my own views on where we the weaker counties are not going anytime soon, even though posters here are anonymous I found I can read between the lines, I sort of got good at that, because of posters anonymity I would rate less than 20% of all posts / posters genuine, another 20 or 25% hypocritical in so far that so called chitter chatter established counties will accept a poster who is not signed up to or affiliated to a county of their own, but instead fly a jolly Rodger like UK, USA, Australia at the same time ignore home grown posters signed up their rightfully owned county.
It's very probable that levelling the playing field I used to dream about may never happen, why should it when we allow it to be no more than a talking shop." Weaker counties are one thing
Badly run counties are another
A lot of counties have a decent population but are badly run and badly organised. Below is the list of counties by population
Roscommon, Monaghan and kerry are serial over achievers
Based on population Dublin (bar the last 10 years) Derry, Galway, Limerick, Kildare, Louth and Wicklow are serial underachievers
Dublin
Antrim
Cork
Down
Derry
Galway
Limerick
Kildare
Tyrone
Tipperary
Donegal
Meath
Kerry
Armagh
Mayo
Wexford
Wicklow
Clare
Louth
Waterford
Kilkenny
Westmeath
Offaly
Laois
Sligo
Cavan
Fermanagh
Roscommon
Monaghan
Carlow
Longford
Leitrim
Even taking all the inherent population imbalance into account
Every county can at least try to be more like Monaghan or Kerry (can't bring myself to write Roscommon here) in the way the organise and prepare their teams.
Do that and get the GAA to organise a competition which gives each county the same number of games per season and we are at least giving counties a chance to perform at their best - even if that best might not be good enough.
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Weaker counties are one thing
Badly run counties are another
A lot of counties have a decent population but are badly run and badly organised. Below is the list of counties by population
Roscommon, Monaghan and kerry are serial over achievers
Based on population Dublin (bar the last 10 years) Derry, Galway, Limerick, Kildare, Louth and Wicklow are serial underachievers
Dublin
Antrim
Cork
Down
Derry
Galway
Limerick
Kildare
Tyrone
Tipperary
Donegal
Meath
Kerry
Armagh
Mayo
Wexford
Wicklow
Clare
Louth
Waterford
Kilkenny
Westmeath
Offaly
Laois
Sligo
Cavan
Fermanagh
Roscommon
Monaghan
Carlow
Longford
Leitrim
Even taking all the inherent population imbalance into account
Every county can at least try to be more like Monaghan or Kerry (can't bring myself to write Roscommon here) in the way the organise and prepare their teams.
Do that and get the GAA to organise a competition which gives each county the same number of games per season and we are at least giving counties a chance to perform at their best - even if that best might not be good enough." You aren't taking dual counties into account. The likes of Westmeath and Laois are outperforming Roscommon and Monaghan if you take GAA as a whole.
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After 2 anilations dished out by Kerry and Mayo respectively I can only come to the conclusion that we will have a new winner this year, my money is on the Kingdom where the swagger is well and truly back.
Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 26/07/2021 22:19:36
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Replying To bennybunny: "You think if you were over 60 you would would have learnt a bit of cop on. I know a lot more about Cork football than you do. I know it's limitations . Yesterday was not good. But that does not mean they are bad footballers. Plenty of those players won an All Ireland under 20 title two years ago. Plenty of those players play at the highest level at colleges football.
The talent is there in Cork. You are in no position to argue otherwise. It is probably not as well managed as it should be but the solution to that is to fix it and manage it better.
Of the 5 remaining teams at under 20 , only 1 of those counties are in Division 1. 3 of them played Division 3 in last 2 years and having seen off their supposed better talented players from current Division 1 counties you want them to have no future at top level football. Perhaps take a drink of Barry's Tea yourself instead of whatever you are drinking!!" Oh yes - Barry's Tea - my usual black tea of choice, even in the US ! And, I oscillate between the Gold (preferred) and Breakfast blends, depending on my mood.
Many moons ago, I lived on the "Black Ash" (near Vernon Mount motor cycle track) and not far from Barry's HQ - are you old enough to remember that ?
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