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Replying To gunman: "You would think that if Leinster is pointless you would welcome a chance of a run through a back door." Nah. It's like groundhog day at this stage regardless of whether you reach the super 8's. Things don't improve and ourselves and the rest of Leinster just go through the motions.
With straight knockout the clubs get a better rub of it. Unless they do away with the current structure then I think Kildare along with a lot of other counties will see the league as their premier competition. Fair enough Cavan and Tipp won last year but that's a one in a quarter of a century things to be honest. More of than not championship is predictable and 34 counties just make up the numbers.
In saying all the above maybe we will beat Dublin..........
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 17/06/2021 12:46:01
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As regards This Years Shortened Leauge
It Would be Foolish to Read Anything into some of the Results
This was a Leauge Like no Other
Where Teams were Without a Pre Season
Teams at Various Stages of Fitness and Preparation
A lot of games were like Challenge Matches to be Honest
Some Managers Were Trying New Players and Tactics
Apart from Kerry and Dublin who are well Ahead of the pack
It could be a very Interesting Championship for the rest of us
I Think You Will See some Strange Results
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 17/06/2021 13:07:56
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Ulster wide open, Donegal on paper have the best team and panel but have flattered to deceive massively with all the talent they've got. This is Bonner's 4th year I thin and so far in that time their biggest scalp has been beating Tyrone twice in that time whilst losing to them in a super 8 game when the pressure was on and also losing to Mayo the following year in what was a winner takes all. Add in the Cavan defeat and they've been knocked out of the championship when hot favourites 3 years in a row.
If as expected Armagh play Monaghan then its a game I'll look forward too, should be reasonably open given what we've seen so far.
Galway and Roscommon will get a boost from hearing Cillian O'Connor is out injured, without him Mayo lack a central point to their attack. Must be a long time since Mayo went into a big championship game without Andy Moran & O'Connor. Roscommon are a team you can't write off, they have no fear of Galway for good reason and have been relegated the last 2 teams they've won Connacht although there is no gap between league and championship this time round.
TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 260 - 17/06/2021 13:14:40
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Well if you're to believe posters outside of kerry then we would be coming into a semifinal undercooked should we get that far and like you say Donegal or like I think Tyrone could be primed and ready to take us apart, either way I suppose we'll find out in 8 weeks time." Well if your to believe posters from Kerry , Clare will give yea a hard game and are not to be underestimated , and winning Munster will be tough , yerra yerra -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 17/06/2021 14:20:31
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Replying To superbluedub: "Well if your to believe posters from Kerry , Clare will give yea a hard game and are not to be underestimated , and winning Munster will be tough , yerra yerra -:)" Well maybe it's yerra yerra or else respect. I think Clare are a fine team but yes Kerry should beat them. Funny though you never mention the Dublin posters that never expect to win. Last year I recall a Dublin poster being worried about Laois. Also Jim Gavin a couple of year ago when Dub lín and Laois were playing in Carlow stating that Laois were his maín focus on the championship and he worried about the.Gavin was worried about every team. He was the biggest rogue of them all. When a Kerry poster thinks they ll win its arrogance when they worried its yerra yerra. The people that know the most are the bookies. They are a business and the bookies believe Kerry will win munster and the bookies believe Dublin will win Leinster more easily than any province. The bookies also believe Dublin will win Sam again
It's their livelihood.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 17/06/2021 14:52:41
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Well maybe it's yerra yerra or else respect. I think Clare are a fine team but yes Kerry should beat them. Funny though you never mention the Dublin posters that never expect to win. Last year I recall a Dublin poster being worried about Laois. Also Jim Gavin a couple of year ago when Dub lín and Laois were playing in Carlow stating that Laois were his maín focus on the championship and he worried about the.Gavin was worried about every team. He was the biggest rogue of them all. When a Kerry poster thinks they ll win its arrogance when they worried its yerra yerra. The people that know the most are the bookies. They are a business and the bookies believe Kerry will win munster and the bookies believe Dublin will win Leinster more easily than any province. The bookies also believe Dublin will win Sam again
It's their livelihood." The bookies get it wrong sometimes, not very often mind you , but they are wrong this time I believe , Kerry are ready to take over and will win Sam this year and several more after that, obviously I hope I'm very wrong -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 17/06/2021 15:40:13
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Replying To superbluedub: "The bookies get it wrong sometimes, not very often mind you , but they are wrong this time I believe , Kerry are ready to take over and will win Sam this year and several more after that, obviously I hope I'm very wrong -:)" Everyone gets it wrong sometimes but mostly they are right and that's why they make money. Of course Kerry have a great chance but Dubs still number one.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 17/06/2021 16:02:37
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Replying To AfricanGael: "Like they demolished Cavan , the Division 4 team who knocked Donegal out of the Championship last year, football is funny as they say.
Surely Donegal should be well capable of beating Down, Derry, an up in a heap Tyrone and probably Monaghan.
Galway are now favorites to win Connacht, with Mayo losing their main man.
Kerry
Dublin
I think it's the perfect draw for Donegal, progressively getting harder, just what any team wants and they'll be a well oiled machine when they face Kerry.
Donegal are definitely going to be the best prepared team to knock Kerry out of the championship and reach the All-Ireland final. It could be Donegal's year this." Agree. Galway are favourites. Mayo are on the downward slide I'm afraid. Some. Good days in the past but as seen, a very good team but not a great team.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 17/06/2021 16:05:31
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Replying To TheRock2121: "For Mayos sake I hope they don't win connacht this year as Dublin will demolish them in the semi." Same with Donegal against Kerry ;)
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 17/06/2021 17:59:21
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Kerry were caught napping last year and paid the price when not focusing on the job in front of them. They'll walk Munster this year though.
Donegal will manage Ulster I'd say alright, just about but I cannot see them hurting Kerry in the semifinal.
Dublin will face Galway in the other semifinal and should have enough to prevail there.
There's every chance mind you that the dubs will get caught in August in the final. They've had too many big names step out and are not the team they were so Kerry might manage it if they don't fill the togs again.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 17/06/2021 19:18:46
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Leinster: Winners- Dublin
Munster: Winners- Kerry
Connacht: Winners- Mayo
Ulster: Winners- Donegal
All Ireland Winners: Kerry
Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 784 - 17/06/2021 21:24:52
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Leinster: Winners- Dublin
Munster: Winners- Kerry
Connacht: Winners- Galway
Ulster: Winners- Tyrone
All Ireland Winners: Dublin
Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 18/06/2021 11:17:29
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Replying To Byanthon: "Leinster: Winners- Dublin
Munster: Winners- Kerry
Connacht: Winners- Galway
Ulster: Winners- Tyrone
All Ireland Winners: Dublin" Hard to see the Tyrone, the fourth best team in Ulster, win Ulster this year ;p. But anything is possible after Cavan winning last year
MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 18/06/2021 11:39:00
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Leinster: Winners- Dublin
Munster: Winners- Kerry
Connacht: Winners- Mayo
Ulster: Winners- Donegal
All Ireland Winners: Dublin
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 18/06/2021 15:05:02
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Ulster - Donegal - when we have Murphy back it will be a big boost
Connacht - They are all on the same level but I will go for Mayo based on form
Leinster - Dublin - Yawn.
Munster - Kerry.
McGo72 (Donegal) - Posts: 67 - 18/06/2021 15:42:56
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Connacht - Galway only because O Connor is out
Ulster - Monaghan- because of the draw
Munster - Kerry
Leinster - Dublin even if they had to play every game with 14 players
Dublin to win because Kerry haven't got the experienced man markers yet - but give it another year and they will
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Think we will see new winners myself this year, Kerry look very good and have the players to hurt. If hey make the final, which isnt straight forward id fancy them. Id never rule out Donegal or Mayo.
As for us, i think we've regressed a fair bit, too many body blows of retirement that would capsize most teams, but we were so strong we are still competitive. But gone is the immortal unbeatable Dublin team of the five in a row, retired unbeaten really and go down in history, the Brogans, Flynns, Connollys, COS, MCCafferys, Mannions, Machers, EOG, Basticks, Andrews, ROC's, MDMA. Maybe even the living legend themselves if you believe the rumors'.
Some lads still playing of course, the Fento's Kilkenny, Rock's, Jamsies and King Con's - we will have to build around them and we have good players and a lot of experience and confidence, strong but no where near as strong and imperious as we were. You feel an injury to any of the afore mentioned and we might struggle. We are certainly not at the peak of what we were in the last decade. So we have regressed, others have improved, it all makes us more vulnerable, with a public will to see new winners, i think we might just, we are due a defeat and i think it will happen this year.
TBH i already have my eye on next year, i look some of the crop coming through of last years U20's and if we can get them up to pitch taking this year and next on the chin i think we will be back in a stronger place then we are now soon.
Not to rule out us doing well this year, but i feel if we win it this year, it will be down to others failing as opposed to us being as good as we were - that's how i felt after last year and feel exactly the same this year. If we are let away it again this year, we will only get stronger.
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Replying To TheUsername: "Think we will see new winners myself this year, Kerry look very good and have the players to hurt. If hey make the final, which isnt straight forward id fancy them. Id never rule out Donegal or Mayo.
As for us, i think we've regressed a fair bit, too many body blows of retirement that would capsize most teams, but we were so strong we are still competitive. But gone is the immortal unbeatable Dublin team of the five in a row, retired unbeaten really and go down in history, the Brogans, Flynns, Connollys, COS, MCCafferys, Mannions, Machers, EOG, Basticks, Andrews, ROC's, MDMA. Maybe even the living legend themselves if you believe the rumors'.
Some lads still playing of course, the Fento's Kilkenny, Rock's, Jamsies and King Con's - we will have to build around them and we have good players and a lot of experience and confidence, strong but no where near as strong and imperious as we were. You feel an injury to any of the afore mentioned and we might struggle. We are certainly not at the peak of what we were in the last decade. So we have regressed, others have improved, it all makes us more vulnerable, with a public will to see new winners, i think we might just, we are due a defeat and i think it will happen this year.
TBH i already have my eye on next year, i look some of the crop coming through of last years U20's and if we can get them up to pitch taking this year and next on the chin i think we will be back in a stronger place then we are now soon.
Not to rule out us doing well this year, but i feel if we win it this year, it will be down to others failing as opposed to us being as good as we were - that's how i felt after last year and feel exactly the same this year. If we are let away it again this year, we will only get stronger." To be honest, you might be right in saying they have regressed but they are still clearly the best team in the country. I've never seen Dublin play so bad in about 10 years yet they still managed to draw with Kerry. And that was with Dublin falling asleep in the second half and not truly putting the game to bed. Kerry looked to be full strength through the league with a really settled and talented squad. I still wouldn't write off Tyrone. The hammering down in Kerry might be a blessing in disguise for them. They know the work they need to do to tighten up at the back and now that Cathal McShane is back they will be a different animal.
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Replying To TheUsername: "Think we will see new winners myself this year, Kerry look very good and have the players to hurt. If hey make the final, which isnt straight forward id fancy them. Id never rule out Donegal or Mayo.
As for us, i think we've regressed a fair bit, too many body blows of retirement that would capsize most teams, but we were so strong we are still competitive. But gone is the immortal unbeatable Dublin team of the five in a row, retired unbeaten really and go down in history, the Brogans, Flynns, Connollys, COS, MCCafferys, Mannions, Machers, EOG, Basticks, Andrews, ROC's, MDMA. Maybe even the living legend themselves if you believe the rumors'.
Some lads still playing of course, the Fento's Kilkenny, Rock's, Jamsies and King Con's - we will have to build around them and we have good players and a lot of experience and confidence, strong but no where near as strong and imperious as we were. You feel an injury to any of the afore mentioned and we might struggle. We are certainly not at the peak of what we were in the last decade. So we have regressed, others have improved, it all makes us more vulnerable, with a public will to see new winners, i think we might just, we are due a defeat and i think it will happen this year.
TBH i already have my eye on next year, i look some of the crop coming through of last years U20's and if we can get them up to pitch taking this year and next on the chin i think we will be back in a stronger place then we are now soon.
Not to rule out us doing well this year, but i feel if we win it this year, it will be down to others failing as opposed to us being as good as we were - that's how i felt after last year and feel exactly the same this year. If we are let away it again this year, we will only get stronger." That's very like last year's Post Username but you still prevailed lol. Also you said Dublin would win Sam if Kerry did nt beat Dublin by at least 5 points in the league. Jokes aside though Dublin still the team to beat even with all those great players gone. Hunger might be a problem in a tight game (unbeknown to themselves) as they ve nothing left to prove. Yes Kerry are definately contenders but as you say there s no certainty we l even get that far. It's great to have championship back in good weather and supporters being able to attend (albeit small numbers still).
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "That's very like last year's Post Username but you still prevailed lol. Also you said Dublin would win Sam if Kerry did nt beat Dublin by at least 5 points in the league. Jokes aside though Dublin still the team to beat even with all those great players gone. Hunger might be a problem in a tight game (unbeknown to themselves) as they ve nothing left to prove. Yes Kerry are definately contenders but as you say there s no certainty we l even get that far. It's great to have championship back in good weather and supporters being able to attend (albeit small numbers still)." It is Mick, i still the same way, i think we snuck one last year to be honest without really being asked serious questions bit of a straw All Ireland id admit and dont think we are as strong as we are. I know i said that about the 5 points and you know what id stick by that to, though we take the league with a pitch of salt, though i did think of the two teams we had more headroom to improve. I was very happy with draw. I suppose if both teams were to play i think it would be more 50/50 then at any time since after 2011. I was always quietly confident we were better than everyone else over the last while to beat them, while i think game swill be more 50/50 now. Dont get me wrong im not writing of our chances, i think we will be hard bet and competitive, but weighing everything up i think we are maybe a good 30-40% weaker then we were in 2019, some of the players gone its an incredible loss, that not even Dublin cannot feel. That team for me now is done and dusted, this is a new Dublin. Continuing on what that team did would be incredible.
I suppose my feel overall is we have regressed, others have improved, feel like a recipe of shifting sands to me, though we will be competitive, i just think we are there to be shot at and more vulnerable. Who knows may my lack of confidence is apprehension or nervous ahead of a new season, but that's my feel.
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