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Can Anyone Name A More Forgone Conclusion Of A Competition Than The Leinster Football Championship?

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Replying To tonguey:  "They would of course have a chance just as we did last year!! They would also have a chance in Connacht- not too many superpowers there now- sure you could get Leitrim or sligo in semi finals, straight into final and one big performance and a below par performance from the big two and you are champions. No need to be so patronising"
Will Cavan retain the Anglo Celt Cup this year?, tough opener v Tyrone. They should get promoted I think.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 382 - 04/05/2021 11:24:59    2339902

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Replying To yew_tree:  "How far ye have fallen when your listing wins over Mayo. We know where we stand. As for Kerry it must be sore to see the 5 in a row and Dublin chipping away at yer record."
U3 I'm just pointing out that dublin use their games against Mayo as some massive barometer as that they're not that far ahead of the rest whereas we had yer number in the last decade as well, how many times did Mayo play dublin in the last decade 6/7 times ye won 1 and drew 2 and lost 4 which is a semilar record that ye have against us in the last decade and we were brutal.

What I'm getting at is to dublin a 2 point lead is as good as a 10 point lead because they just keep the ball and run down the clock.

As for dublins 6 in a row, that is what it is and I and others know what it's worth when it's stripped bare and as for them breaking our records there's nothing that can be done about that, that something we have to live with, but again we all really know what it's worth.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13454 - 04/05/2021 11:42:30    2339904

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Will Cavan retain the Anglo Celt Cup this year?, tough opener v Tyrone. They should get promoted I think."
I do not know- think we will struggle to replicate last year tbh. We are not one of the major teams in Ulster consistently whether we like to admit that or not- Donegal and Tyrone are the big two so to win this year we will probably have to beat both and that is very unlikely. Yes we should be promoted but would not pay too much heed to the league.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 04/05/2021 11:44:49    2339906

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "U3 I'm just pointing out that dublin use their games against Mayo as some massive barometer as that they're not that far ahead of the rest whereas we had yer number in the last decade as well, how many times did Mayo play dublin in the last decade 6/7 times ye won 1 and drew 2 and lost 4 which is a semilar record that ye have against us in the last decade and we were brutal.

What I'm getting at is to dublin a 2 point lead is as good as a 10 point lead because they just keep the ball and run down the clock.

As for dublins 6 in a row, that is what it is and I and others know what it's worth when it's stripped bare and as for them breaking our records there's nothing that can be done about that, that something we have to live with, but again we all really know what it's worth."
agree 100% with sentiments here. It is correct in my opinion that a lot of Dublin's wins do not have the same meaning to them as they have been so heavily favoured in so many ways. Most people see through that although some still try to have us believe otherwise.

Last year for example we were Ulster champions, they were Leinster champions. Surely there should only be a few points difference between the teams at the end of the game but they beat us handily pulling up as they do to every team. It is more than a coincidence that this "era" started as a result of the millions upon millions pumped into them over the past number of years.

Granted they have some exceptional footballers but so do Kerry, so do Tyrone, so do Donegal- why are they not dominating then???? Why are Dublin always much fitter than other teams?? It often makes me wonder.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 04/05/2021 12:15:56    2339910

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Replying To Viking66:  "This thread probably explains the primary reason for Dublins current success. They have won alot of the games they have played in recent years before they even left the dressing room. Kildare especially with the recent minor success they have had should be getting closer to the Dubs year on year. Players dont need to hear the negativity that threads like this are spouting. Might be one of the reasons why so many arent committing to senior inter county."
So the main reason Dublin are successful you believe is because a lot of teams have thrown in the towel before throw-in and are not trying hard enough. It has nothing to do with funding, playing population, using Croke Park as their home, or taking an amateur sport to a level that most counties cannot and should not be expected to compete ?

A Ferrari will always win a race against a Toyota Corolla, no matter how hard the driver tries and the fact is it's beaten before it leaves the grid. The buck stops at the GAA's door, not Dublin's.

Hopefully, the penny will eventually drop for everyone.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 04/05/2021 12:25:09    2339911

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "U3 I'm just pointing out that dublin use their games against Mayo as some massive barometer as that they're not that far ahead of the rest whereas we had yer number in the last decade as well, how many times did Mayo play dublin in the last decade 6/7 times ye won 1 and drew 2 and lost 4 which is a semilar record that ye have against us in the last decade and we were brutal.

What I'm getting at is to dublin a 2 point lead is as good as a 10 point lead because they just keep the ball and run down the clock.

As for dublins 6 in a row, that is what it is and I and others know what it's worth when it's stripped bare and as for them breaking our records there's nothing that can be done about that, that something we have to live with, but again we all really know what it's worth."
We all know what kerry's all Irelands are worth when stripped bare also -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2723 - 04/05/2021 12:31:25    2339913

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Replying To superbluedub:  "We all know what kerry's all Irelands are worth when stripped bare also -:)"
But they won them without playing at home and without undue amounts of money being pumped into them from the organisation that is meant to treat all counties the same,

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 04/05/2021 13:14:00    2339916

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Replying To superbluedub:  "We all know what kerry's all Irelands are worth when stripped bare also -:)"
Kerry have tradition behind them, Dublin have cash.

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 04/05/2021 13:29:14    2339919

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "So the main reason Dublin are successful you believe is because a lot of teams have thrown in the towel before throw-in and are not trying hard enough. It has nothing to do with funding, playing population, using Croke Park as their home, or taking an amateur sport to a level that most counties cannot and should not be expected to compete ?

A Ferrari will always win a race against a Toyota Corolla, no matter how hard the driver tries and the fact is it's beaten before it leaves the grid. The buck stops at the GAA's door, not Dublin's.

Hopefully, the penny will eventually drop for everyone.
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Unfortunately I can't see it happening for counties outside Dublin, perhaps for another 3 years. When the 10 in a row is achieved, then and only then will some say, you know what the Leinster counties might have been right.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17747 - 04/05/2021 13:38:33    2339922

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Replying To tonguey:  "But they won them without playing at home and without undue amounts of money being pumped into them from the organisation that is meant to treat all counties the same,"
Really ! havn't heard that before -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2723 - 04/05/2021 13:44:02    2339926

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Replying To the_creeler:  "Kerry have tradition behind them, Dublin have cash."
It's much more complex than that.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 04/05/2021 13:44:19    2339927

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Replying To royaldunne:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "So the main reason Dublin are successful you believe is because a lot of teams have thrown in the towel before throw-in and are not trying hard enough. It has nothing to do with funding, playing population, using Croke Park as their home, or taking an amateur sport to a level that most counties cannot and should not be expected to compete ?

A Ferrari will always win a race against a Toyota Corolla, no matter how hard the driver tries and the fact is it's beaten before it leaves the grid. The buck stops at the GAA's door, not Dublin's.

Hopefully, the penny will eventually drop for everyone.
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Unfortunately I can't see it happening for counties outside Dublin, perhaps for another 3 years. When the 10 in a row is achieved, then and only then will some say, you know what the Leinster counties might have been right."
What you mean the Leinster counties were right?

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 04/05/2021 13:49:57    2339928

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Replying To tonguey:  "agree 100% with sentiments here. It is correct in my opinion that a lot of Dublin's wins do not have the same meaning to them as they have been so heavily favoured in so many ways. Most people see through that although some still try to have us believe otherwise.

Last year for example we were Ulster champions, they were Leinster champions. Surely there should only be a few points difference between the teams at the end of the game but they beat us handily pulling up as they do to every team. It is more than a coincidence that this "era" started as a result of the millions upon millions pumped into them over the past number of years.

Granted they have some exceptional footballers but so do Kerry, so do Tyrone, so do Donegal- why are they not dominating then???? Why are Dublin always much fitter than other teams?? It often makes me wonder."
You make some very good points, it's plain for some of us to see what's going on but like royaldunne says it might take till dublin win the 10 in a row before the rest will open their eyes, unfortunately a lot of people are still in total denial.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13454 - 04/05/2021 13:54:37    2339929

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Really ! havn't heard that before -:)"
Super comeback. Well done you. Despite all the evidence you try to defend the indefensible. It is good fun really. You like? I like it too. Very nice no.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 04/05/2021 13:55:22    2339930

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Replying To tonguey:  "Super comeback. Well done you. Despite all the evidence you try to defend the indefensible. It is good fun really. You like? I like it too. Very nice no."
Why thank you -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2723 - 04/05/2021 13:57:15    2339931

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Why thank you -:)"
most welcome. You are one of the good guys.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 04/05/2021 14:03:46    2339933

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "It's much more complex than that."
You're overegging this particular pudding for me.

the_creeler (Leitrim) - Posts: 119 - 04/05/2021 14:05:08    2339934

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Replying To tonguey:  "I do not know- think we will struggle to replicate last year tbh. We are not one of the major teams in Ulster consistently whether we like to admit that or not- Donegal and Tyrone are the big two so to win this year we will probably have to beat both and that is very unlikely. Yes we should be promoted but would not pay too much heed to the league."
Thanks. I think Donegal or Tyrone are favourites to win Ulster as you say. Good to see Cavan win last year, one of the traditional strong counties. Great football county.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 382 - 04/05/2021 14:22:46    2339937

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "So the main reason Dublin are successful you believe is because a lot of teams have thrown in the towel before throw-in and are not trying hard enough. It has nothing to do with funding, playing population, using Croke Park as their home, or taking an amateur sport to a level that most counties cannot and should not be expected to compete ?

A Ferrari will always win a race against a Toyota Corolla, no matter how hard the driver tries and the fact is it's beaten before it leaves the grid. The buck stops at the GAA's door, not Dublin's.

Hopefully, the penny will eventually drop for everyone.
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Dublin have more sponsorship revenue for sure. And have always had a larger playing population. Those things were true in the 90s and 00s also. The main 2 reasons they have been dominant the last 6 years is firstly and mostly to do with the exceptional group of players they currently have, though as each year goes by over the next few years most will one by one retire. Secondly their main competitors or indeed beaters in the noughties, Kerry and Tyrone, havent had the players the last decade that they had in the noughties. In addition they had a great management team and no little hunger after basically underachieving since the 70s.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 04/05/2021 14:26:43    2339939

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Replying To tonguey:  "
Replying To royaldunne:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "So the main reason Dublin are successful you believe is because a lot of teams have thrown in the towel before throw-in and are not trying hard enough. It has nothing to do with funding, playing population, using Croke Park as their home, or taking an amateur sport to a level that most counties cannot and should not be expected to compete ?

A Ferrari will always win a race against a Toyota Corolla, no matter how hard the driver tries and the fact is it's beaten before it leaves the grid. The buck stops at the GAA's door, not Dublin's.

Hopefully, the penny will eventually drop for everyone.
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Unfortunately I can't see it happening for counties outside Dublin, perhaps for another 3 years. When the 10 in a row is achieved, then and only then will some say, you know what the Leinster counties might have been right."
What you mean the Leinster counties were right?"]I'd like to know the same. It's not that long ago that Meath were winning Sam when Dublin weren't

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3047 - 04/05/2021 14:29:08    2339941

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