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Tailteann Cup In Doubt

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Replying To oneoff:  "This whole post just backs up what I've said.

There are counties who are against having a second tier who've taken huge beatings in recent years. Can you really say their "utmost best"?

Kerry hurlers were in Div 3 of the league in 2010 but by 2016 were in Div 1B. They're hugely under funded compared to the footballers. But how did they get move up? Because there was a grade they could compete in. Carlow and Westmesth have also played in Div 1B in recent times because of the same thing."
And where are they now??! Back down I assume?! So your point being??

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 10/03/2021 22:35:43    2333857

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Replying To horridweather:  "Well Galway haven't been setting any trees on fire with the football lately, they must not be doing enough in towns and parishes to promote it. Hurling has taken over there."
In fairness Galway have had some great underage teams teams over the last number of years, we've had their measure at U18/17 and they have had our measure at U20/21 over that 5/6 years and they've won an U 20 whareas we haven't got to an U21/20 final..

If the B final was to take over from minor as curtain raiser for the senior how many tickets would be allocated to the supporters of those teams? At the moment minor teams get 1500 tickets per team.

Also should teams like kerry and dublin and Cork and Galway be allowed to enter B teams into the second tier? Not being a G-owl but would that make the second tier more attractive to other counties?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/03/2021 02:06:23    2333863

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "In fairness Galway have had some great underage teams teams over the last number of years, we've had their measure at U18/17 and they have had our measure at U20/21 over that 5/6 years and they've won an U 20 whareas we haven't got to an U21/20 final..

If the B final was to take over from minor as curtain raiser for the senior how many tickets would be allocated to the supporters of those teams? At the moment minor teams get 1500 tickets per team.

Also should teams like kerry and dublin and Cork and Galway be allowed to enter B teams into the second tier? Not being a G-owl but would that make the second tier more attractive to other counties?"
Kerry should focus on making a team that can win one competition, never mind two.

secondhandtrousers (UK) - Posts: 5 - 11/03/2021 09:06:01    2333868

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "In fairness Galway have had some great underage teams teams over the last number of years, we've had their measure at U18/17 and they have had our measure at U20/21 over that 5/6 years and they've won an U 20 whareas we haven't got to an U21/20 final..

If the B final was to take over from minor as curtain raiser for the senior how many tickets would be allocated to the supporters of those teams? At the moment minor teams get 1500 tickets per team.

Also should teams like kerry and dublin and Cork and Galway be allowed to enter B teams into the second tier? Not being a G-owl but would that make the second tier more attractive to other counties?"
Yer first team couldn't win Munster last year?!? A division three team beat ye and another division three team beat them!!

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 11/03/2021 09:11:19    2333869

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Replying To tonguey:  "And where are they now??! Back down I assume?! So your point being??"
In Div2 where they lost the final. Also lost the final of the Joe McDonough Cup. So what's your point?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 11/03/2021 09:46:24    2333870

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Replying To tonguey:  "Yer first team couldn't win Munster last year?!? A division three team beat ye and another division three team beat them!!"
What are you on about? A few posts back your were complaining about Div 3/4 teams not having anything more to give and now you're talking about them beating Kerry.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 11/03/2021 09:49:33    2333871

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Replying To oneoff:  "In Div2 where they lost the final. Also lost the final of the Joe McDonough Cup. So what's your point?"
My point is that they cannot win anything at that level- what is your point???

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 11/03/2021 10:11:55    2333873

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Replying To oneoff:  "What are you on about? A few posts back your were complaining about Div 3/4 teams not having anything more to give and now you're talking about them beating Kerry."
Yea they may have nothing more to give- I know what I said...... You seem to be making a lot of assumptions here. I know that they beat Kerry- that is why I said it. They gave their best and they beat Kerry- why are you getting so hot about it?? So you see what can happen when these other counties do get a bit of support- they can actually compete. My point is why can't other counties do that?? It is because they do not get that support. How is the GAA getting on in the UK by the way??

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 11/03/2021 10:14:26    2333875

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Replying To tonguey:  "My point is that they cannot win anything at that level- what is your point???"
Since 2010 they've won three league titles, two Christy Ring Cups and been in finals of both.

So again what's your point? If you're going to go on a rant at least try and have some facts to actually back it up.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 11/03/2021 10:48:33    2333882

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Replying To tonguey:  "Yea they may have nothing more to give- I know what I said...... You seem to be making a lot of assumptions here. I know that they beat Kerry- that is why I said it. They gave their best and they beat Kerry- why are you getting so hot about it?? So you see what can happen when these other counties do get a bit of support- they can actually compete. My point is why can't other counties do that?? It is because they do not get that support. How is the GAA getting on in the UK by the way??"
It's you who's getting "hot" about this no one else.

Seeing as you seem to be the self appointed spokesman for these counties you should know how the GAA is doing in the UK

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 11/03/2021 10:50:20    2333883

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Replying To oneoff:  "It's you who's getting "hot" about this no one else.

Seeing as you seem to be the self appointed spokesman for these counties you should know how the GAA is doing in the UK"
You are the one supposed to be living there according to your location so you should know best seeing as you seem to know everything about everything else!!!!!

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 11/03/2021 11:01:56    2333885

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Replying To oneoff:  "Since 2010 they've won three league titles, two Christy Ring Cups and been in finals of both.

So again what's your point? If you're going to go on a rant at least try and have some facts to actually back it up."
As the old Chinese proverb goes, the clock with the largest hands will wind itself up in knots when the hens are laying eggs that are purple come the fall. Springs to mind here.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 11/03/2021 11:05:45    2333886

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Replying To secondhandtrousers:  "Kerry should focus on making a team that can win one competition, never mind two."
Well I don't think we or any other team outside of dublin have any chance of win the senior championship and the reason I mentioned my own county entering a team in the B competition is because we won the last 5 junior allirelands and we would take the B competition seriously, I mentioned Galway dublin and Cork because of their large populations.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/03/2021 11:59:41    2333889

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well I don't think we or any other team outside of dublin have any chance of win the senior championship and the reason I mentioned my own county entering a team in the B competition is because we won the last 5 junior allirelands and we would take the B competition seriously, I mentioned Galway dublin and Cork because of their large populations."
With all due respect I don't think your crowd have a hope of winning one in the next five or six years either so maybe if you put through your first team in a second tier cup it might build up their chances.

secondhandtrousers (UK) - Posts: 5 - 11/03/2021 12:52:15    2333897

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The mission statement of the GAA is to promote Gaelic Games in Ireland and abroad.

I'd say that looking towards weaker counties and investing in them as having growth potential would make sense to me.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 11/03/2021 13:23:56    2333898

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Replying To secondhandtrousers:  "With all due respect I don't think your crowd have a hope of winning one in the next five or six years either so maybe if you put through your first team in a second tier cup it might build up their chances."
You could be right.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/03/2021 13:40:44    2333900

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Replying To tonguey:  "As the old Chinese proverb goes, the clock with the largest hands will wind itself up in knots when the hens are laying eggs that are purple come the fall. Springs to mind here."
What are you talking about? You said Kerry haven't won anything yet when you're shown that's not true yoy change the subject.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 11/03/2021 14:18:18    2333901

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Replying To tonguey:  "You are the one supposed to be living there according to your location so you should know best seeing as you seem to know everything about everything else!!!!!"
No you're thinking about yourself there. You seem to have an answer for everything

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 11/03/2021 14:19:50    2333902

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Replying To oneoff:  "What are you talking about? You said Kerry haven't won anything yet when you're shown that's not true yoy change the subject."
Won two Christy Ring Cups- wow, oh wow. Top of the pile stuff there- think they're still celebrating that down there in Kerry!!! Most people don't even know what the different levels in hurling are- they did not and will not win anything of significance without investment- you said yourself they are hugely underfunded and I agree. They are, as are most of teh county teams in this country.

My point is that they may win these competitions that they are playing in and good luck to them, but they are not even promoted (competitions that is). Sure there are more tiers now in hurling that on a wedding cake and how many teams have joined the elite as a result???? None!! So they obviously do not work. Yes it may be nice to win a cup and pretend you enjoy winning it etc but it means nothing- ask most people on here and they couldn't even tell you which cup in hurling is for which level. It is just to keep them ticking over playing at a level that is way lower than the big guys.

By winning these competitions and getting promoted (without funding and proper investment) they are going to get slaughtered at the high level and straight back down again. They need funding and not empty platitudes saying oh well they won this cup and that cup and contested this final and that final.

I won an underage cup for Irish dancing when I was 12- does that mean that without proper coaching, funding, resources etc I could suddenly join riverdance?? It is the same principle. I know you mean well here but I really feel that living in the UK has clouded your judgement.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 11/03/2021 14:29:58    2333903

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Replying To oneoff:  "No you're thinking about yourself there. You seem to have an answer for everything"
No I think about you a lot.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 11/03/2021 14:44:24    2333904

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