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I finally got annoyed and looked this up after wondering what competition it is...its for a new second tier football championship or other, new proposed second tier competition may not go ahead...with all these cups that are in circulation etc.. Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 01/03/2021 11:57:29 2333149 Link 0 |
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Look it's yet another B championship that is likely to fail through lack of interest and proper promotion the same way the previous ones did. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/03/2021 12:51:46 2333156 Link 9 |
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Don't really follow tbh, are you saying the idea of a 2nd tier championship has been binned, or that it's called off for the year due to covid.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1706 - 01/03/2021 13:04:37 2333159 Link 0 |
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Why would you replace a competition that only 1 team can win ( from only about 5 realistic contenders ), in which the strongest teams always get a longer season and more games right through summer to further pull away from the lower ranked counties with a different competition which has exactly the same problems... ? How will that benefit or improve the 16 lowest ranked counties ?... hopefully the new President will have the strength of conviction to do in InterCounty Football what is done every other aspect of GAA life...( ie in Ladies Football, Camogie, InterCounty Hurling, Club Hurling and Club Football )...a proper tiered Competition with opportunities for all to compete and win a title and a similar length season for all..." All Ireland Intermediate Champions " has a better ring to it than " The team beaten in 2nd round of qualifiers after going through the back door system after losing the Provincial final " or something along those lines. Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 01/03/2021 13:43:50 2333163 Link 0 |
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By the way, I think you are right the split season decision gives a fantastic opportunity to create a new structure for the future.... be great if we came up with a simple solution rather than the previous convoluted systems... interesting year ahead and plenty of discussions are going to be had..
Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 01/03/2021 13:47:01 2333164 Link 0 |
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No really sure I understand your question, don't all competitions only have one winner? Anyway if you want to improve weaker counties then you need to invest in them and promote the games, B competitions don't really seem to work and have failed every time in football. As for when the games are played, that could be discussed and agreed beforehand so everyone has a say. But naturally more successful teams will have longer summers, that's always been the case. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/03/2021 14:05:19 2333168 Link 9 |
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I agree with you there, and certainly regarding the convoluted systems, I think they need to scrap all that rubbish and just keep it simple. I know it's impossible to please everyone but they should make the effort now with the split season to go with a straightforward format that doesn't need tweaking every other season. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/03/2021 14:12:49 2333169 Link 9 |
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I was probably rambling a bit there earlier... all competitions do indeed have 1 winner and yea the most successful teams always do have a longer season...investment is also vital for future planning I suppose I was getting at trying to provide better incentives for all counties..there are still some who have never won a National Competition or those who havent won a Province in decades or even a century !....surely a competition with 3 grades would provide some incentive, potential to plan , opportunity to win a National title and gain traction?... if a lower ranked County could be sure of Football for a longer defined season then they could build on that, make a 3- 5 year plan on how to get up to Senior level...maybe target winning Div 4 first.. add a National Junior title ( success breeds success )...move on to trying to win Div 3 and Intermediate title etc etc... Wouldn't a double header of Junior Final ( Sligo v Wexford maybe ? ) followed by Intermediate final ( Tipp v Kildare ? ? ) be a well attended day in Croke Park ? ...free seats for Children if necessary to boost the attendance ? Great experience for the Children ! I know the track history of secondary competitions in football isn't great but it has to be worth trying to improve .... otherwise 12 - 18 Counties get a much shorter season continually... interesting times ahead for sure Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 01/03/2021 14:52:26 2333173 Link 0 |
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Here we go again - the GAA trying to convince 16 counties that playing in another rehashed 'B' competition is going to succeed where previous competitions such as the 'Tommy Murphy' cup failed. I am not going to go into an in-depth analysis of why this is a bad idea as I have done so, on another forum before Instead, I will just ask this question - how will leaving 16 teams out of the All Ireland improve the GAA championship? It is hard to comprehend, for example, if Tipperary (who won the Munster title in 2020 and reached the All Ireland semi final) fail to be promoted from Division 3, they will not be allowed to play in the All Ireland championship!!!! And if a team is relegated from Division 2 in the league, they then can't play in the All Ireland championship. Yet, if they are finish middle of Division 2, they can deemed to be good enough to play in the All Ireland championship. Everyone knows that there is one team - Dublin, miles ahead of everyone else and that they have become invincible due to investment by the GAA and know how by smart business people in Dublin but yet, the same formula can't be applied to some other counties or weaker counties even as an experiment if nothing else. At the moment, the teams who finish bottom of Division 1 in the league have no hope winning the All Ireland. At most there are probably 3-5 teams that can win the Ireland. No Leinster county can win their provincial championship because Dublin play in it so how counties be convinced that playing in a 'B' competition indefinitely will help to promote gaelic football in a county when no one has any interest in these competitions in the past? wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 01/03/2021 17:14:57 2333184 Link 0 |
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not being binned but in doubt, but the heading says "tailtean cup in doubt" and most people are wondering what is the tailteann cup, the powers that be seem to think we pick up these names easy peezy and just remember them...if they said "second tier championship in doubt at least we would know what they mean, but that is not a very glamorous heading for the GAA I am sure...the Meath poster elsewhere has a very good idea and system of how the NFL and championship could be proeperly run with great incentive for all teams...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 01/03/2021 17:36:18 2333190 Link 0 |
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Great idea for the championship.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 01/03/2021 17:58:11 2333194 Link 1 |
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This competition was never going to work anyway, or be bought into. No loss. republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 01/03/2021 17:58:54 2333195 Link 0 |
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Agree about the investment, for sure....but if you think the team finishing bottom of Div 1 "has no hope of winning the All Ireland " what is the point of the next 24 Counties below them in the league bothering to enter the single All Ireland competition ?... Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 01/03/2021 20:56:37 2333220 Link 0 |
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Why wouldn't it be? Serious question. This is all we here when this comes up. What exactly needs to happen for teams to "buy into it"?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 01/03/2021 21:43:50 2333230 Link 0 |
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I agree totally LGFA and Camogie finals are run on same day, first up Junior Final, then Inter and finally Senior all on same day in same place, winner automatically goes up a grade. A festival great day out. But male ego's wont allow that, we all equal etc etc
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 02/03/2021 00:30:56 2333246 Link 0 |
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Quite simple sugar, it's the same as the b all Ireland, the Tommy Murphy cup etc etc. You won't have lads training four or five nights a week for the glory of winning this competition. The only way it might work is that if the winners got a place in an All Ireland quarter final in the same year, and yes that would mean scrapping the super eights.
republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 02/03/2021 08:08:11 2333255 Link 0 |
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That's my point black+blue, what is the point of having a 'B' competition for 16 teams when teams at the bottom of division 1 don't have much of a chance of winning the all ireland; if that is the measure being used. Another point is that leinster teams are being unfairly judged because they can't beat Dublin but no other county can beat them either. There is a gap between teams that are top of Division 1 and 2 as has been proven in recent years. Yet, the authorities think that by split 31 counties into two separate competitions that somehow it will improve the chances of a lot of teams improving, no, it won't. It hasn't made an ounce of difference in the hurling. The Tailteann Cup is not the answer to helping weaker counties to improve. It is about putting structures and investment into counties that don't have it and don't have the expertise to put the structures in place; not every county has these type of resources. Will it mean that these counties will win the All Ireland in the short term; no but over the longer term, it will enable them to become competitive and that will help to promote the game to the younger generation. These 'B' competitions are useless and will not assist them to catch up. People that compare club competitions to intercounty competitions are not making a fair comparison. Any county player that plays for any county is a top player regardless of where they are born. A junior player at club level, could be a player in his 50s - there is a country mile between club and county.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 02/03/2021 09:20:22 2333260 Link 0 |
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Fair reply Wicklowsupport...I would say it's a mixture of the 2 approaches...the investment, knowledge and structure are the most vital part... if thats in place along with a competition that you can have a chance of achieving success in then at least you have a way of measuring your progress. I would argue the hurling comparison as it seems that the likes of Kerry, Carlow, Kildare have all improved a huge amount over last few years.... surely some of that improvement is down to being able to compete as a team and that makes it more attractive to young players coming through ?... some of those Counties are now ready to move up to the Competition above and good luck to them Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 122 - 02/03/2021 10:32:14 2333273 Link 0 |
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Folks The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 02/03/2021 10:44:11 2333275 Link 0 |
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But they'll train 4/5 nights a week to get a hammering in their province and more than likely be out of the championship after the first round of the qualifiers? Who then misses out on a quater final spot in your idea? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 02/03/2021 11:02:32 2333277 Link 0 |