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Ulster Final Donegal V Cavan

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Tom usually goes fishing on the Donegal forum itself lol. Give him time, its only Tuesday. He once had the audacity to tell us that Big Tom was a better singer than Daniel, now that is a hanging offence in Donegal lol."
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thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 150 - 17/11/2020 22:46:16    2310897

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Replying To Pintsandpoints:  "Donegal v cavan can be interesting , if cavan play direct long ball in they can cause trouble as donegal are not great under them sort of balls but donegal can prevent that by dropping men back, I think this game will be close but donegal to be too strong in the second half , cavan finish strong but the damage will be done"
This is a myth about donegal under a high ball - been spouted out for years.

Wat matches have we lost under high balls ??

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1176 - 17/11/2020 23:11:39    2310902

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Replying To Soma:  "There is a fair difference between getting a call wrong between a mark and a lineball at the 45 yard line, and getting the call wrong between square ball and a penalty. They did both result in goals, but I'd always rather the referee was incorrectly giving my own team penalties."
Who was in the square?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4315 - 18/11/2020 07:59:09    2310918

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Let's face it folks. Cavan are lucky to be in this at all. If they had played anyone of Donegals standard they wouldn't have had a hope in hell of getting back into those games they went so badly behind in.
Donegal will have no bother in handling this Cavan side. Donegal by whatever they want to win by.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1775 - 18/11/2020 08:45:03    2310921

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Replying To catch22:  "Let's face it folks. Cavan are lucky to be in this at all. If they had played anyone of Donegals standard they wouldn't have had a hope in hell of getting back into those games they went so badly behind in.
Donegal will have no bother in handling this Cavan side. Donegal by whatever they want to win by."
You are correct. . .. If we didn't win all those games, we could well be out of the championship by now.

Mind-blowing insight right there folks!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4315 - 18/11/2020 09:22:39    2310927

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Well I think for Donegal it's definitely a case of forewarned is forearmed. I don't think there will be any complacency given what we've seen of Cavan in the last few weeks. They have showed a formidable spirit and no little skill in getting to this final and that needs to be respected.

But at the same time, Donegal's form has been ominous. I've seen people comparing this Ulster final to 2013, when Monaghan defied all the odds and deservedly and comprehensively beat us. But the situation is completely different. In 2013 there was a lot of unhappiness behind the scenes in Donegal with regard to injuries, preparation and some friction between management and the county board. It all come to a sorry culmination when Mayo walloped us out the gates of Croke Park.

This Donegal squad is in fine tune, and bar a few injury concerns the camp is in rude health. A lot of our talented younger players have really added a lot of power, and we have good squad depth now as well. Perhaps more importantly, there is a sense that for all the plaudits they have received of late, feet are firmly on the the ground.

With the above said, I can see Donegal winning with about 5 points plus to spare. If they continue to operate in a composed and professional way then the three in a row will be achieved. I hope this isn't deemed to be an arrogant post, just an opinion based on what I've seen so far of both teams. Strange results can and will happen as we've seen already but I just can't see Donegal getting caught out.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7110 - 18/11/2020 09:58:12    2310948

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Well I think for Donegal it's definitely a case of forewarned is forearmed. I don't think there will be any complacency given what we've seen of Cavan in the last few weeks. They have showed a formidable spirit and no little skill in getting to this final and that needs to be respected.

But at the same time, Donegal's form has been ominous. I've seen people comparing this Ulster final to 2013, when Monaghan defied all the odds and deservedly and comprehensively beat us. But the situation is completely different. In 2013 there was a lot of unhappiness behind the scenes in Donegal with regard to injuries, preparation and some friction between management and the county board. It all come to a sorry culmination when Mayo walloped us out the gates of Croke Park.

This Donegal squad is in fine tune, and bar a few injury concerns the camp is in rude health. A lot of our talented younger players have really added a lot of power, and we have good squad depth now as well. Perhaps more importantly, there is a sense that for all the plaudits they have received of late, feet are firmly on the the ground.

With the above said, I can see Donegal winning with about 5 points plus to spare. If they continue to operate in a composed and professional way then the three in a row will be achieved. I hope this isn't deemed to be an arrogant post, just an opinion based on what I've seen so far of both teams. Strange results can and will happen as we've seen already but I just can't see Donegal getting caught out."
Yeah, I wouldn't read that as arrogant Lockjaw. . . I don't think anyone sees Cavan winning this without a serious improvement from us (which I do expect) and a pretty sharp drop in form from yourselves (which I don't expect).

It was fairly one sided last year, with the final scoreline flattering Cavan, and I think Donegal have improved since then. I'm not sure Cavan have. Lads like Moynagh and McVitty have been replaced by young, inexperienced guys and Mackey hasn't been replaced at all.

On the flip-side, Mickey Graham has had another (interrupted) season with this team, and he's got something special about him, as shown with Mullinalaghta. So I do think we may have something up our sleeves which will ask a question of Donegal's ability to pivot mid-game.

If we avoid a start like we have had v Monaghan and Down, or like Armagh had v Donegal, then who knows. Football is a strange game and it's been a strange year!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4315 - 18/11/2020 10:11:41    2310954

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You are correct. . .. If we didn't win all those games, we could well be out of the championship by now.

Mind-blowing insight right there folks!"
Catch is correct - Donegal will win this game easily... different level to Cavan.

I see Mickey Graham is doing his best to stir it up...
Firstly about the referring decisions and now -
"I would say it is probably the other way around," said Graham to BBC, countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection.
"The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy. A big man like that, well able to look after himself."


I suppose Mickey has got to do what he has got to do...

Latest odds:
Donegal 1/12
Cavan 17/2

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3333 - 18/11/2020 10:14:36    2310956

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Replying To Fionn:  "Catch is correct - Donegal will win this game easily... different level to Cavan.

I see Mickey Graham is doing his best to stir it up...
Firstly about the referring decisions and now -
"I would say it is probably the other way around," said Graham to BBC, countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection.
"The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy. A big man like that, well able to look after himself."


I suppose Mickey has got to do what he has got to do...

Latest odds:
Donegal 1/12
Cavan 17/2"
countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection

Not Mickey who started to stir things.


The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy.

See last year's final where he "challenged" Raymond Galligan.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4315 - 18/11/2020 10:21:31    2310959

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Yeah no doubt about it Mickey Graham has something as a manager. I hope that regardless of what happens Sunday that he stays on and develops Cavan further. It would be great if he could get the likes of McVeety and Moynagh back, as well as any other players that should be in consideration. It would be great for football in general if the likes of Cavan, Derry and Down etc climb the league ranks again and the Ulster championship would improve as a whole.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7110 - 18/11/2020 10:28:09    2310962

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To Fionn:  "Catch is correct - Donegal will win this game easily... different level to Cavan.

I see Mickey Graham is doing his best to stir it up...
Firstly about the referring decisions and now -
"I would say it is probably the other way around," said Graham to BBC, countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection.
"The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy. A big man like that, well able to look after himself."


I suppose Mickey has got to do what he has got to do...

Latest odds:
Donegal 1/12
Cavan 17/2"
countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection

Not Mickey who started to stir things.


The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy.

See last year's final where he "challenged" Raymond Galligan."
Murphy is more sinned against than sinned... picking out a single incident versus the multiple the other way, does not make your point valid.

Look Mickey is doing exactly what every other underdog manger would do.
Hoping to gain a much needed boost or advantage before the game starts.

Cavan are lucky to be in the Final imo and will be no match for Donegal at the weekend.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3333 - 18/11/2020 10:31:43    2310963

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah no doubt about it Mickey Graham has something as a manager. I hope that regardless of what happens Sunday that he stays on and develops Cavan further. It would be great if he could get the likes of McVeety and Moynagh back, as well as any other players that should be in consideration. It would be great for football in general if the likes of Cavan, Derry and Down etc climb the league ranks again and the Ulster championship would improve as a whole."
I agree - and McVeety is a massive loss.
He is some player.

But is due to be back next year afaik...

And it would be nice to see Cavan win an Ulster title soon, but it wont be this year I am afraid to say.
Problem will be Donegal have such a strong team now and Tyrone will be better next year also.
I also think Monaghan will fall back a bit to be honest.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3333 - 18/11/2020 10:38:44    2310966

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Replying To Fionn:  "
Replying To cavanman47:  "[quote=Fionn:  "Catch is correct - Donegal will win this game easily... different level to Cavan.

I see Mickey Graham is doing his best to stir it up...
Firstly about the referring decisions and now -
"I would say it is probably the other way around," said Graham to BBC, countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection.
"The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy. A big man like that, well able to look after himself."


I suppose Mickey has got to do what he has got to do...

Latest odds:
Donegal 1/12
Cavan 17/2"
countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection

Not Mickey who started to stir things.


The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy.

See last year's final where he "challenged" Raymond Galligan."
Murphy is more sinned against than sinned... picking out a single incident versus the multiple the other way, does not make your point valid.

Look Mickey is doing exactly what every other underdog manger would do.
Hoping to gain a much needed boost or advantage before the game starts.

Cavan are lucky to be in the Final imo and will be no match for Donegal at the weekend."]Look, I'm sure he is. Most of the top players are and refs should clamp down on it.

But it was Bonner who poked that fire first, and with people now rounding on Mickey Graham for giving a response he was asked for, you could say it's a distraction Cavan don't need. It is Bonner looking for an advantage (which he's entitled to do) and Graham just trying to respond to that.

Killian Clarke and Murphy had a good, clean battle last year. Nothing provoked Murphy into doing what he did.

Conor McManus gets plenty of abuse, but he wasn't getting any in our game this year and still saw fit to goad Galligan after scoring his goal. Galligan had the last laugh. Maybe Bonner's comments will back-fire, who knows.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4315 - 18/11/2020 10:47:47    2310970

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To Fionn:  "Catch is correct - Donegal will win this game easily... different level to Cavan.

I see Mickey Graham is doing his best to stir it up...
Firstly about the referring decisions and now -
"I would say it is probably the other way around," said Graham to BBC, countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection.
"The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy. A big man like that, well able to look after himself."


I suppose Mickey has got to do what he has got to do...

Latest odds:
Donegal 1/12
Cavan 17/2"
countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection

Not Mickey who started to stir things.


The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy.

See last year's final where he "challenged" Raymond Galligan."
Forgot about that, the high knee. I've lots of time for Murphy, but he should have been done for that one...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 993 - 18/11/2020 10:59:26    2310974

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To Fionn:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=Fionn:  "Catch is correct - Donegal will win this game easily... different level to Cavan.

I see Mickey Graham is doing his best to stir it up...
Firstly about the referring decisions and now -
"I would say it is probably the other way around," said Graham to BBC, countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection.
"The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy. A big man like that, well able to look after himself."


I suppose Mickey has got to do what he has got to do...

Latest odds:
Donegal 1/12
Cavan 17/2"
countering the claim that Murphy gets no protection

Not Mickey who started to stir things.


The other players do not get much protection from Michael Murphy.

See last year's final where he "challenged" Raymond Galligan."
Murphy is more sinned against than sinned... picking out a single incident versus the multiple the other way, does not make your point valid.

Look Mickey is doing exactly what every other underdog manger would do.
Hoping to gain a much needed boost or advantage before the game starts.

Cavan are lucky to be in the Final imo and will be no match for Donegal at the weekend."]Look, I'm sure he is. Most of the top players are and refs should clamp down on it.

But it was Bonner who poked that fire first, and with people now rounding on Mickey Graham for giving a response he was asked for, you could say it's a distraction Cavan don't need. It is Bonner looking for an advantage (which he's entitled to do) and Graham just trying to respond to that.

Killian Clarke and Murphy had a good, clean battle last year. Nothing provoked Murphy into doing what he did.

Conor McManus gets plenty of abuse, but he wasn't getting any in our game this year and still saw fit to goad Galligan after scoring his goal. Galligan had the last laugh. Maybe Bonner's comments will back-fire, who knows."]Brogan used to get dogs abuse also....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3333 - 18/11/2020 11:21:42    2310981

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You are correct. . .. If we didn't win all those games, we could well be out of the championship by now.

Mind-blowing insight right there folks!"
Well done on taking that spin on my post 10 brains.
True Caavan intellectual that you are.
Let me explain it for you , or at least try to. Not sure there is much point though with you as you're a bit like that other Fly gasson. Must be a Cavan thing.
The point was that Cavan are relatively poor in comparison to Donegal and would not have reached this stage had the opposition been up to their standard. Enjoy the run up as it's going to be the best part.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1775 - 18/11/2020 11:48:31    2310991

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I assume most neutrals will be shouting for Cavan here, as underdogs. Can't see an upset here though. Donegal are the only realistic contenders to put it up to Dublin, so would need to be winning comfortably.

If Cavan don't fall asleep for the first 35 minutes and bring a hunger and intensity to the table, it could make for a good contest. They need to get stuck into Donegal from the word go, roughen them up a bit and not show them the respect they maybe deserve.

TomReilly (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 18/11/2020 11:50:18    2310992

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Replying To catch22:  "Well done on taking that spin on my post 10 brains.
True Caavan intellectual that you are.
Let me explain it for you , or at least try to. Not sure there is much point though with you as you're a bit like that other Fly gasson. Must be a Cavan thing.
The point was that Cavan are relatively poor in comparison to Donegal and would not have reached this stage had the opposition been up to their standard. Enjoy the run up as it's going to be the best part."
Yeah it's a Cavan thing, really doubling down on the the ignorance there. Be a good Yank, turn around and go home.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11743 - 18/11/2020 12:19:32    2311010

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On Murphy, honestly I'd say this regardless of the upcoming Ulster final but he gives as good as he gets so very little sympathy from me no matter who Donegal are playing.

I may be a bit biased though cos I've had a simmering dislike of him ever since he screamed during the run up for every Cavan free in a minor semi-final(?) in Enniskillen years ago.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11743 - 18/11/2020 12:25:14    2311013

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Replying To Breffni39:  "On Murphy, honestly I'd say this regardless of the upcoming Ulster final but he gives as good as he gets so very little sympathy from me no matter who Donegal are playing.

I may be a bit biased though cos I've had a simmering dislike of him ever since he screamed during the run up for every Cavan free in a minor semi-final(?) in Enniskillen years ago."
have you tried therapy..................

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 530 - 18/11/2020 12:43:03    2311021

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