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Regarding U2 playing the song "Bloody Sunday" in Croke park on All Ireland final day. I can't see that happening. But if it does, well then great. Tá athás orm.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1930 - 11/11/2020 13:27:05    2307576

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I think 'unnecessary' is the right word. Northern Ireland has developed as a separate entity. Its natural political development is in its own space. I dont think Northern Ireland coming into a United Ireland is going to help anybody. Its better off getting on with things the way they are or striking g out on its own with Help from us and the rest of the UK."
Thank you for your comment.
As my father always said the Unionists will one day want away from England but many in southern Ireland won't want them or us

As Christina Kennedy in the Sunday Times wrote last year, ' a united Ireland is cost we can't afford not to pay'.
Economically it makes sense, but your analysis is f>>k you, I live in a nice area of Limerick and I don't want to be associated with you'.
I or my father couldn't help were we where born, you were luckly, you were luckly that you weren't stopped by a foreign army, you were lucky that a state didn't try to organise a muder squad in your area, you were lucky that you and your family were born in a society with one man one vote, the your name or religion didn't affect your housing or job prospects,
You were lucky
Your are a partitionist and that ok, you are honest.... You can be a partitionist in a modern Ireland and I respect your viewpoint but don't tell me that I am lucky.

Ní bhíonn meas ar an aonphort.

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1591 - 11/11/2020 13:32:15    2307580

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Laying of the wreath has been happing for a good few years now.

It's all part of the reconciliation that will be needed to achieve the ultimate goal any Irish man/woman worth their salt should be striving for."
I think it is the right thing to do. It shows we are prepared to be inclusive, while still aspiring to unification.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 118 - 11/11/2020 13:44:03    2307587

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Replying To galwayford:  "Personally I would prefer to see the Irish language revived in the South, rather than reunification. But that alas is not going to happen. Tá brón orm. So unity is the second option. Ulster unionists could consider resettling in Scotland or England post unification. That is their homeland."
Yo prefiero el español, pero no soy un hablante competente. Hay un canal de youtube en idiomas que te puede gustar llamado Langfocus, deberías echarle un vistazo.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8586 - 11/11/2020 13:50:42    2307591

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "That may be so. But, if it wasn't for the billions of pounds of subsidies NI receives every year from the British, it wouldn't survive."
You are correct in that they do receive billions of pounds. But! The six counties of Ireland that you refer to existed and survived long before partition, so obviously your knowledge of history is time limited. A very significant amount of billions go to paying all the retired civil servants from a particular background. Bloodyban obviously did not do any geography - 32 counties in the identity know as Ireland.

The country will be united but when nobody knows except it may be sooner than most expect. On the issue of cost! most informed folk would know that the cost will be marginal. The German minister who oversaw unification carried out a detailed analysis on that topic and concluded that the cost will be very little (and not billions) with a significant cost benefit within a couple of years. Do you not think that the people of the six counties are as able to work productively as the folk who we have welcomed into the country from the various European countries and beyond.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 11/11/2020 14:26:57    2307612

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I dont think the ulster unionists are striving towards that goal. Im a proud munster man and have no interest in that 'goal' you speak of either. You should not assume your position is the ultimate one. Reconciliation is laudable, Unification is unnecessary."

Thankfully you are in the minority as most reasonable people see re-unification as inevitable in the not too distant future. The six county state is a failed entity and nothing will ever change that. The new republic would be an economic powerhouse on the fringe of Europe and close ties to America.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 92 - 11/11/2020 14:27:46    2307613

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "
Thankfully you are in the minority as most reasonable people see re-unification as inevitable in the not too distant future. The six county state is a failed entity and nothing will ever change that. The new republic would be an economic powerhouse on the fringe of Europe and close ties to America."
Any poll in the Republic has always shown a strong majority of unification.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 204 - 11/11/2020 14:41:32    2307622

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "
Thankfully you are in the minority as most reasonable people see re-unification as inevitable in the not too distant future. The six county state is a failed entity and nothing will ever change that. The new republic would be an economic powerhouse on the fringe of Europe and close ties to America."
We would not be an economic powerhouse and I would much rather be close to Europe and on the fringe of those loons in the US

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 11/11/2020 14:54:01    2307625

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "That may be so. But, if it wasn't for the billions of pounds of subsidies NI receives every year from the British, it wouldn't survive."
Yes but also if it wasn't the absolute basketcase it is due to partition and the UK government taking their eye off the ball and allowing religious nuts to control the place it wouldnt need half that money

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 11/11/2020 14:58:22    2307626

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Replying To Breezy:  "We would not be an economic powerhouse and I would much rather be close to Europe and on the fringe of those loons in the US"
So you think Apple, Google, Amazon etc etc should be told to go home?

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 92 - 11/11/2020 15:11:14    2307635

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I can actually see things from the unionist point of view. They're of British decent and feel they are still British.

But the NIMBOism of some southerners in regards to the North of Ireland is absolutely staggering.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4158 - 11/11/2020 15:15:42    2307638

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "So you think Apple, Google, Amazon etc etc should be told to go home?"
Well if sf got into power they'd run out of here very quickly. Thankfully that's not gonna happen anytime soon. It seems that also is the main concern of reunification, a sf gov, probably propped up by dup.
Majority in south would much prefer to have sdlp and moderate unionists in ascendency in north when unity happens. The fear of both extremists is real.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17038 - 11/11/2020 15:19:13    2307639

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Replying To cuchulainn35:  "Thank you for your comment.
As my father always said the Unionists will one day want away from England but many in southern Ireland won't want them or us

As Christina Kennedy in the Sunday Times wrote last year, ' a united Ireland is cost we can't afford not to pay'.
Economically it makes sense, but your analysis is f>>k you, I live in a nice area of Limerick and I don't want to be associated with you'.
I or my father couldn't help were we where born, you were luckly, you were luckly that you weren't stopped by a foreign army, you were lucky that a state didn't try to organise a muder squad in your area, you were lucky that you and your family were born in a society with one man one vote, the your name or religion didn't affect your housing or job prospects,
You were lucky
Your are a partitionist and that ok, you are honest.... You can be a partitionist in a modern Ireland and I respect your viewpoint but don't tell me that I am lucky.

Ní bhíonn meas ar an aonphort."
Your Da was a wise man

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 833 - 11/11/2020 15:53:33    2307648

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well if sf got into power they'd run out of here very quickly. Thankfully that's not gonna happen anytime soon. It seems that also is the main concern of reunification, a sf gov, probably propped up by dup.
Majority in south would much prefer to have sdlp and moderate unionists in ascendency in north when unity happens. The fear of both extremists is real."
FF crashed the economy in 2002-2008, Fine Gael crashed the economy over Covid in 2020, yes there was a world wide property crash in 2008, and a world wide pandemic in 2020. There was also an economic crash in the 80's. Under mainly Fine Gael. I don't think S.f could do any worse to be honest. S.F are right when they say it will take an all island approach to rejuvenate the economy post covid.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1930 - 11/11/2020 15:53:44    2307649

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Replying To Breezy:  "We would not be an economic powerhouse and I would much rather be close to Europe and on the fringe of those loons in the US"
Well many of us work for US companies...over 700 US companies here directly employing over 170,000 people. Indirectly the estimate is 250k.

Also over 100,000 Irish born citizens live and work in the US. The strong economic and cultural ties means we won't be separating our ties with the US any time soon.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10349 - 11/11/2020 16:00:27    2307651

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well if sf got into power they'd run out of here very quickly. Thankfully that's not gonna happen anytime soon. It seems that also is the main concern of reunification, a sf gov, probably propped up by dup.
Majority in south would much prefer to have sdlp and moderate unionists in ascendency in north when unity happens. The fear of both extremists is real."
Why bring SF into the conversation.Do you assume that because I am from the six counties and support Irish unity that I vote SF?

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 92 - 11/11/2020 16:14:51    2307661

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "So you think Apple, Google, Amazon etc etc should be told to go home?"
No they need us and we need them that's how business works. I took your comments to mean more than just a business deal and I would not like us to emulate or rely on America as I often hear people say we should in Ireland

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 11/11/2020 16:14:55    2307662

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "Why bring SF into the conversation.Do you assume that because I am from the six counties and support Irish unity that I vote SF?"
No. I was giving the opinion on reunifying which was the topic. I have a southern perspective of which there is many who see the shanningans of sf and dup in ni, and see the craic with them down here too. They actually aren't helping it one bit. When u see a minister female here been called horrendous names by active sf members it rightly ashames those of us who would be constitutional nationalists.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17038 - 11/11/2020 16:23:05    2307664

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Replying To galwayford:  "FF crashed the economy in 2002-2008, Fine Gael crashed the economy over Covid in 2020, yes there was a world wide property crash in 2008, and a world wide pandemic in 2020. There was also an economic crash in the 80's. Under mainly Fine Gael. I don't think S.f could do any worse to be honest. S.F are right when they say it will take an all island approach to rejuvenate the economy post covid."
Most parties look after themselves first and every thing else is secondary. FG (with some help from FF) are in power for last 10 years did great work with the children's hospital, building it in a location that you cannot get in or out off. The cost stands at 2 billion plus and rising, the're still not aware that its doctors, nurses and equipment you require, not a fancy building. The bought a very large printer at 1m euros and had to get the house knocked down to bring it inside-they still have not got it working as it appears that it takes a two week course to operate it. I just wonder do the think the printer is some type of moon rocket!-rocket science comes to mind. These guys think that the're doing a great job as does a few posters and that's fine. They have increased employment though-with all the spin doctors hired!.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2193 - 11/11/2020 17:23:56    2307686

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Replying To browncows:  "Most parties look after themselves first and every thing else is secondary. FG (with some help from FF) are in power for last 10 years did great work with the children's hospital, building it in a location that you cannot get in or out off. The cost stands at 2 billion plus and rising, the're still not aware that its doctors, nurses and equipment you require, not a fancy building. The bought a very large printer at 1m euros and had to get the house knocked down to bring it inside-they still have not got it working as it appears that it takes a two week course to operate it. I just wonder do the think the printer is some type of moon rocket!-rocket science comes to mind. These guys think that the're doing a great job as does a few posters and that's fine. They have increased employment though-with all the spin doctors hired!."
And yet you vote.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17038 - 11/11/2020 17:28:17    2307687

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