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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Trust you to drag Kilkenny into another pathetic row about football. What's your problem with Kilkenny? Spit it out." What are you talking about? What dig? Do you do anything but complain? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1598 - 15/01/2023 20:52:18 2452626 Link
Replying To oneoff: "Cork has more clubs than another county yet they've 12 teams in their championship." Well 12 is 50% more than Kerry. Galway have 20, Roscommon 12, Tyrone 16, Dublin 32, etc sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 877 - 15/01/2023 21:45:34 2452634 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Well 12 is 50% more than Kerry. Galway have 20, Roscommon 12, Tyrone 16, Dublin 32, etc" You said only small counties should have less than 16. Cork has over 200 clubs so that doesn't really work by your logic. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1598 - 15/01/2023 21:58:14 2452637 Link
Steward town of Tyrone's tactics seem to revolve around trash talking to the Clifford's , harressing them , threatening them and the sub put the tin hat on it with his blatant elbow to the face of Paudi Clifford . Anyone who condones this carry on shouldn't be involved in any sport OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 736 - 16/01/2023 08:32:51 2452642 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "How is it unfair. The club are junior and the Cliffords are from that club. Did nt Eoghan Ó Gara play with a junior club and play with Dublin. The Cliffords were born and reared beside that club but you think they should nt be allowed play for the club just cos they are county players. Next year they both will be intermediate but I doubt they will be strong enough to go senior. Its about the club not the players. For years Fossa played div 5 football but now are going upwards thanks to the Cliffords. The Cliffords play with a divisional side in the county championship (a group of clubs) as Fossa not strong enough but you want to weaken them more. When Declan Browne played div 4 for Tipp he destroyed all around him. He was div 1 standard. Was it unfair he played for Tipp. Con Ó Callaghan Fenton Kilkenny aJames Mccarthy are some of the best players ever to play the game. They are div 1 standard. Is it unfair on other counties they now have to play in div 2?" I don't think the issue is should the Cliffords be allowed to play for Fossa - its their club who else would they be playing for? The issue is the grading of teams in Kerry which is their own business for internal competitions but when it comes to provincial & All Ireland series its time that the Croke Park put something in place to create a more level playing field. benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 16/01/2023 09:54:17 2452651 Link
Replying To Bon: "Maybe its the whole setup in Tryrone that needs looking at" You obviously know very little about the competitiveness of the Tyrone Championships - especially the SIXTEEN club team senior championships not 8 like in Kerry. benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 16/01/2023 09:56:26 2452652 Link
This topic has been covered to death every year the junior and intermediate club All-Irelands come around. Kerry have only 8 senior and 8 intermediate clubs in their championships. They balance this by having the divisional teams compete in the senior championship, made up of whoever is intermediate and junior. Yes, it does mean that their 9th best club is representing them in intermediate and their 17th best club in junior. In Galway our 17th club would have been a senior team for the past decade. We are in the process of reducing from 20 to 16 senior. Our junior champions would be the 37th team and our intermediate winners were at one stage the 21st team. It definitely does give Kerry clubs a big advantage in these competitions, but they can run their club championship how they see fit. Their divisional teams ensure that the best junior and inter players play senior championship in any case. When my own club won the Connacht intermediate a few years ago, we were the 21st team in Galway. The club who won the All-Ireland were Kerry's 9th team. It is what it is. The goal of county boards is to run their championships as effectively as possible. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2306 - 16/01/2023 11:23:00 2452667 Link
Replying To benched: "I don't think the issue is should the Cliffords be allowed to play for Fossa - its their club who else would they be playing for? The issue is the grading of teams in Kerry which is their own business for internal competitions but when it comes to provincial & All Ireland series its time that the Croke Park put something in place to create a more level playing field." How would they do that? Kerry have a very high standard of football in most clubs at all grades in comparison to ther counties. They've won the majority of Junior Club All Irelands but not been in the intermediate or senior club final this year even when Kerry are All Ireland champions. Were people not questioning the Kerry junior champions winning All Ireland's before because Kerry weren't All Ireland champions and because David Cliffird wasn't on both teams? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7936 - 16/01/2023 11:28:09 2452670 Link
The GAA president presented the cup yesterday to Paudie Fitzgerald. Perhaps Clifford thought he was undercover as a result, and could say anything he liked up there. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4121 - 16/01/2023 11:32:52 2452673 Link
Replying To benched: "You obviously know very little about the competitiveness of the Tyrone Championships - especially the SIXTEEN club team senior championships not 8 like in Kerry." Judging by Derrytresks carry on a few years back as well , you are welcome to the Competiveness of Tyrone championship, thuggery & intimidation is nothing to be proud off and should have no place in sport . OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 736 - 16/01/2023 11:41:49 2452674 Link
That was a terrible hit on Paudi Clifford. Stewartsown got invoived in a a lot of needless stuff, The Corner back pushing David Clifford over the sideline. The first red was soft but shouldn't be raising hands. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2874 - 16/01/2023 11:48:18 2452678 Link
Replying To OpenStand: "Steward town of Tyrone's tactics seem to revolve around trash talking to the Clifford's , harressing them , threatening them and the sub put the tin hat on it with his blatant elbow to the face of Paudi Clifford . Anyone who condones this carry on shouldn't be involved in any sport" I agree with you, that elbow to Paudi's mouth was pure thuggery . Year ban at the very least. I'll call it out even if it was my own club involved. It's the prion who are saying, typical Tyrone, it's everywhere in every county and long bans are needed. As for Paudie's speech about officials, say what you see. They walked off during his speech. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 16/01/2023 12:09:32 2452682 Link
Replying To sligo joe: "Well 12 is 50% more than Kerry. Galway have 20, Roscommon 12, Tyrone 16, Dublin 32, etc" Kerry have 8 senior club teams and 8 divisional teams in the county championship. How is 8 50% of 12?.The system in Kerry gives every single player the opportunity to play County championship football as if they play with a club from the lower divisions that club will be in a divisional side with other clubs in the county championship. I do agree that it gives Kerry a bit of an advantage in the intermediate as the clubs probably the same standard as alot of senior clubs in a lot of counties. However all is never fair. Is it fair that Kilmacud Crokes (the biggest club in the country play small clubs. That's life. All is not fair jn love and war. In the junior system in Kerry if clubs like Fossa did nt play players like the Clifford they would barely survive. Fossa were cannon fodder for years. Many all Ireland medal winners gave played intermediate and junior including the great Owen Mulligan who won an all ireland with his club in croke park. Next year Fossa will be intermediate but that's probably as far as they go. A club with a small membership. If they ever go senior we will try split them in two. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3894 - 16/01/2023 12:12:51 2452684 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "How would they do that? Kerry have a very high standard of football in most clubs at all grades in comparison to ther counties. They've won the majority of Junior Club All Irelands but not been in the intermediate or senior club final this year even when Kerry are All Ireland champions. Were people not questioning the Kerry junior champions winning All Ireland's before because Kerry weren't All Ireland champions and because David Cliffird wasn't on both teams?" They were questioning it in fairness. I've seen this same debate on here for years. Kerry are a very strong footballing county obviously. They also have a very small number of senior and intermediate clubs. It does give thesur junior and intermediate clubs a big advantage at All-Ireland level, but it's not an issue for the GAA or any external parties. Kerry can run their championships however they want. Rathmore were the 9th team in Kerry, playing the 17th team in Tyrone. Ironically the junior winners Fossa are the same rank in Kerry, as Tyrone's representative in the intermediate final are in their own county. It is imbalanced for sure, but county boards are free to run their championships how they see fit. We have a similar issue in hurling in Galway where our senior championship is far too bloated. Having 24 teams, means our inter winners are our 25th best. Kilkenny have 12 senior clubs, so their 13th club represent them in the competition. 8 probably is a bit small for a county with plenty football clubs like Kerry, but they balance it by having the divisional teams, so the best players get to play senior championship. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2306 - 16/01/2023 12:29:46 2452687 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Kerry have 8 senior club teams and 8 divisional teams in the county championship. How is 8 50% of 12?.The system in Kerry gives every single player the opportunity to play County championship football as if they play with a club from the lower divisions that club will be in a divisional side with other clubs in the county championship. I do agree that it gives Kerry a bit of an advantage in the intermediate as the clubs probably the same standard as alot of senior clubs in a lot of counties. However all is never fair. Is it fair that Kilmacud Crokes (the biggest club in the country play small clubs. That's life. All is not fair jn love and war. In the junior system in Kerry if clubs like Fossa did nt play players like the Clifford they would barely survive. Fossa were cannon fodder for years. Many all Ireland medal winners gave played intermediate and junior including the great Owen Mulligan who won an all ireland with his club in croke park. Next year Fossa will be intermediate but that's probably as far as they go. A club with a small membership. If they ever go senior we will try split them in two." Split Fossa in two. One Clifford on each team. :) I agree with what you've said Mick, except I would argue it gives Kerry intermediate and junior clubs more than a bit of an advantage. It gives them a pretty decent advantage. At the same time, it's up to Kerry how they run their championships. As I said in my last post, Fossa were Kerry's 17th ranked club in 2022. They played against Tyrone's 33rd ranked team yesterday, as Tyrone have 16 senior and intermediate clubs. Likewise, Rathmore 9th in Kerry played Tyrone's 17th ranked team. Galbally are actually Tyrone's equivalent of Fossa, but were playing in the inter final. It is what it is. I think it's ok to acknowledge that it's a decent advantage, while at the same time accepting that Kerry should run a system that works best for them. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2306 - 16/01/2023 12:50:31 2452690 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "How would they do that? Kerry have a very high standard of football in most clubs at all grades in comparison to ther counties. They've won the majority of Junior Club All Irelands but not been in the intermediate or senior club final this year even when Kerry are All Ireland champions. Were people not questioning the Kerry junior champions winning All Ireland's before because Kerry weren't All Ireland champions and because David Cliffird wasn't on both teams?" The Cliffords aren't relevant to this debate as far as I'm concerned - it doesn't always have to be about David. It's about trying to level the playing field for the Junior & Intermediate series. benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 16/01/2023 13:04:50 2452693 Link
Replying To OpenStand: "Judging by Derrytresks carry on a few years back as well , you are welcome to the Competiveness of Tyrone championship, thuggery & intimidation is nothing to be proud off and should have no place in sport ." Boring - as if incidents don't go on all over the country benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 16/01/2023 13:05:46 2452695 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "They were questioning it in fairness. I've seen this same debate on here for years. Kerry are a very strong footballing county obviously. They also have a very small number of senior and intermediate clubs. It does give thesur junior and intermediate clubs a big advantage at All-Ireland level, but it's not an issue for the GAA or any external parties. Kerry can run their championships however they want. Rathmore were the 9th team in Kerry, playing the 17th team in Tyrone. Ironically the junior winners Fossa are the same rank in Kerry, as Tyrone's representative in the intermediate final are in their own county. It is imbalanced for sure, but county boards are free to run their championships how they see fit. We have a similar issue in hurling in Galway where our senior championship is far too bloated. Having 24 teams, means our inter winners are our 25th best. Kilkenny have 12 senior clubs, so their 13th club represent them in the competition. 8 probably is a bit small for a county with plenty football clubs like Kerry, but they balance it by having the divisional teams, so the best players get to play senior championship." That's it. There's imbalances everywhere. If ye had 8 senior championship club hurling teams in Galway then Tooreen wouldn't have been in the Intermediate final last Saturday. Only 3 senior hurling clubs in Mayo. I kinda think there's a bit of begrudgery because Kerry are doing great right now and a lot of it is down to David Clifford. No doubt Kerry junior is a higher standard than other counties but, like you say, the other counties are entitled to change their structure if they want to do so. Apparently there's kids around Ireland getting parents to bring them to Fossa matches just to see David Clifford in the flesh. And he'll stay around after games to meeet them, sign autographs and get photos taken. Unreal stuff. A huge good news story for the GAA. So, I'm biased cos I think he's so class, but it's annoying to see the Fossa win turned into a negative. County boards won't change club championships this week. It may not suit some counties to make any changes. It suits Kerry and then suits their county team and fair play to them. Congratulations to Fossa. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7936 - 16/01/2023 13:13:45 2452698 Link
Replying To benched: "Boring - as if incidents don't go on all over the country" It's a New Year but somethings never change.... oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1598 - 16/01/2023 13:38:56 2452705 Link
Replying To benched: "Boring - as if incidents don't go on all over the country" The elbow to Paudie Clifford is not commonplace, 1 or the worst incidents I've seen in a match in a long time. TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 16/01/2023 13:40:09 2452706 Link