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10-12 teams will fancy managing to string enough wins together to figure in the last 4 and after that it depends who else is left. Unlikely the Dubs will be unseated in Leinster, but probably more likely in these circumstances than it would have been over the last decade (the November weather could make a lottery of the best kickout strategy). A Kerry/Cork Munster final can't happen this year (paired in the semi-finals?) I think, so advantage Tipp who were playing such good stuff not that long ago. However Kerry know better than anyone how to approach a knockout championship where the real action starts with the Munster final. In Ulster there are 4 or 5 real contenders (as usual) and it could be any of them. There's nothing to choose between Galway, Mayo and Roscommon right now, with Galway favourites given the momentum they were showing under P Joyce. Whether this will have suffered with the interruption is probably the key to Connacht.

Based on what I believe will be Leinster/Munster and Connacht/Ulster pairings this year (so open to correction):

Likely last 4: Dublin V Kerry, Donegal V Galway.
Final: Kerry V Donegal
Winner: Donegal

With the world having changed, decided not to go down the road of the five and a half in a row:)

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2202 - 26/06/2020 18:28:02    2281913

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Replying To Pericles:  "10-12 teams will fancy managing to string enough wins together to figure in the last 4 and after that it depends who else is left. Unlikely the Dubs will be unseated in Leinster, but probably more likely in these circumstances than it would have been over the last decade (the November weather could make a lottery of the best kickout strategy). A Kerry/Cork Munster final can't happen this year (paired in the semi-finals?) I think, so advantage Tipp who were playing such good stuff not that long ago. However Kerry know better than anyone how to approach a knockout championship where the real action starts with the Munster final. In Ulster there are 4 or 5 real contenders (as usual) and it could be any of them. There's nothing to choose between Galway, Mayo and Roscommon right now, with Galway favourites given the momentum they were showing under P Joyce. Whether this will have suffered with the interruption is probably the key to Connacht.

Based on what I believe will be Leinster/Munster and Connacht/Ulster pairings this year (so open to correction):

Likely last 4: Dublin V Kerry, Donegal V Galway.
Final: Kerry V Donegal
Winner: Donegal

With the world having changed, decided not to go down the road of the five and a half in a row:)"
Munster vs Connacht and Ulster vs Leinster

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 4879 - 26/06/2020 18:34:40    2281914

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Replying To Pericles:  "10-12 teams will fancy managing to string enough wins together to figure in the last 4 and after that it depends who else is left. Unlikely the Dubs will be unseated in Leinster, but probably more likely in these circumstances than it would have been over the last decade (the November weather could make a lottery of the best kickout strategy). A Kerry/Cork Munster final can't happen this year (paired in the semi-finals?) I think, so advantage Tipp who were playing such good stuff not that long ago. However Kerry know better than anyone how to approach a knockout championship where the real action starts with the Munster final. In Ulster there are 4 or 5 real contenders (as usual) and it could be any of them. There's nothing to choose between Galway, Mayo and Roscommon right now, with Galway favourites given the momentum they were showing under P Joyce. Whether this will have suffered with the interruption is probably the key to Connacht.

Based on what I believe will be Leinster/Munster and Connacht/Ulster pairings this year (so open to correction):

Likely last 4: Dublin V Kerry, Donegal V Galway.
Final: Kerry V Donegal
Winner: Donegal

With the world having changed, decided not to go down the road of the five and a half in a row:)"
Think donegal have a great chance as have galway to make an all ireland final. Tyrone will fancy it as well. Hard to see anything outside kerry and dublin on other side. Who knows what could happen. Mayo might come alive again and go on a run well capable.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1499 - 26/06/2020 18:41:05    2281916

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Replying To Pericles:  "10-12 teams will fancy managing to string enough wins together to figure in the last 4 and after that it depends who else is left. Unlikely the Dubs will be unseated in Leinster, but probably more likely in these circumstances than it would have been over the last decade (the November weather could make a lottery of the best kickout strategy). A Kerry/Cork Munster final can't happen this year (paired in the semi-finals?) I think, so advantage Tipp who were playing such good stuff not that long ago. However Kerry know better than anyone how to approach a knockout championship where the real action starts with the Munster final. In Ulster there are 4 or 5 real contenders (as usual) and it could be any of them. There's nothing to choose between Galway, Mayo and Roscommon right now, with Galway favourites given the momentum they were showing under P Joyce. Whether this will have suffered with the interruption is probably the key to Connacht.

Based on what I believe will be Leinster/Munster and Connacht/Ulster pairings this year (so open to correction):

Likely last 4: Dublin V Kerry, Donegal V Galway.
Final: Kerry V Donegal
Winner: Donegal

With the world having changed, decided not to go down the road of the five and a half in a row:)"
Nah Meath will beat Donegal in the semi.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17037 - 26/06/2020 19:01:32    2281921

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Replying To Pericles:  "10-12 teams will fancy managing to string enough wins together to figure in the last 4 and after that it depends who else is left. Unlikely the Dubs will be unseated in Leinster, but probably more likely in these circumstances than it would have been over the last decade (the November weather could make a lottery of the best kickout strategy). A Kerry/Cork Munster final can't happen this year (paired in the semi-finals?) I think, so advantage Tipp who were playing such good stuff not that long ago. However Kerry know better than anyone how to approach a knockout championship where the real action starts with the Munster final. In Ulster there are 4 or 5 real contenders (as usual) and it could be any of them. There's nothing to choose between Galway, Mayo and Roscommon right now, with Galway favourites given the momentum they were showing under P Joyce. Whether this will have suffered with the interruption is probably the key to Connacht.

Based on what I believe will be Leinster/Munster and Connacht/Ulster pairings this year (so open to correction):

Likely last 4: Dublin V Kerry, Donegal V Galway.
Final: Kerry V Donegal
Winner: Donegal

With the world having changed, decided not to go down the road of the five and a half in a row:)"
Thing is though according the GAA website it's Ulster v Leinster and Connacht v Munster in the Semi finals however they came to this conclusion. To me it looks a suspicious attempt to get an AI final the top brass actually want.

DL4SAM (Donegal) - Posts: 17 - 26/06/2020 19:15:03    2281924

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Great Draw for Kerry. It's hard to look past a Dublin Kerry final.

Great to see the league being finished.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3121 - 26/06/2020 19:46:48    2281928

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Great Draw for Kerry. It's hard to look past a Dublin Kerry final.

Great to see the league being finished."
It's the final the top brass want apparently

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 26/06/2020 20:05:55    2281932

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I wouldn't have given us much of a chance this year, but the draw certainly suits us and hopefully our experience will carry's us through.

Cruel on Connacht and Munster teams, not only in terms of Championship, but this year Dublin and Kerry - were more then likely going to meet in the S8's with a good Connacht and Ulster team, for fairness next year that needs to revert back or else Connacht and Ulster, have been unfairly treated the last couple of years. This championship structure is a lot easier for Leinster and Munster. Unfair.

If I was to call a final this year I'd go Dublin Vs Galway, we will scrape through though, if it comes to pass I think Galway might win it this year, though the road will be tough and they'll have to earn it - been impressed by them.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3677 - 26/06/2020 20:43:07    2281936

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Replying To Breezy:  "It's the final the top brass want apparently"
Because Dublin Mayo or Dublin Tyrone wouldn't draw a crowd in the final ?

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1190 - 26/06/2020 21:00:53    2281938

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Replying To Breezy:  "It's the final the top brass want apparently"
One one think that or anyone who thinks they have an anti Ulster bias. How they can decide Ulster plays Leinster in the Semi Final I don't know. No transparency at all.

DL4SAM (Donegal) - Posts: 17 - 26/06/2020 21:09:32    2281939

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Replying To DL4SAM:  "Thing is though according the GAA website it's Ulster v Leinster and Connacht v Munster in the Semi finals however they came to this conclusion. To me it looks a suspicious attempt to get an AI final the top brass actually want."
Would these have been the semi-final pairings if there never had been a back door, I wonder?

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 574 - 26/06/2020 21:16:45    2281940

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Is it true that there is no county club championship this year?
Can that possibly be true?

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4985 - 26/06/2020 21:20:03    2281941

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I suppose dublin are the big winners in all of this, as they were "supposed" to be playing 2 of their super 8s game outside of Croke Park this year.

We'll have to travel away to PUC in our munster semifinal to take on a rejuvenated Cork team in a dó or die contest where anything could happen after the long lay off and I won't be counting my chickens before they hatch.

Connacht you'll have 1 of the 3 with Galway looking class but Rosscommon building a nice team, and Mayo are capable of doing anything so can't write them off.

The Ulster minefield is the 1 to watch IMO, am I right in saying that Tyrone are playing Donegal in the first round? If so that's 1 allireland contender gone at the first hurdle .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11772 - 26/06/2020 21:30:28    2281943

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I wouldn't have given us much of a chance this year, but the draw certainly suits us and hopefully our experience will carry's us through.

Cruel on Connacht and Munster teams, not only in terms of Championship, but this year Dublin and Kerry - were more then likely going to meet in the S8's with a good Connacht and Ulster team, for fairness next year that needs to revert back or else Connacht and Ulster, have been unfairly treated the last couple of years. This championship structure is a lot easier for Leinster and Munster. Unfair.

If I was to call a final this year I'd go Dublin Vs Galway, we will scrape through though, if it comes to pass I think Galway might win it this year, though the road will be tough and they'll have to earn it - been impressed by them."
I'd expect Galway to get no further than All-Ireland semi final and they aren't even certain of winning Connacht as Mayo and Roscommon who beat them last year are capable of doing it again if they meet.

The knock out championship is all set up for another Kerry v Dublin final and unless Kerry can sort out their defence they will be losing it once more v Dublin.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2516 - 26/06/2020 21:31:53    2281944

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Would these have been the semi-final pairings if there never had been a back door, I wonder?"
They could argue that but they changed the rotation of the pairings when the Super 8s came along. So if you were to follow the old sequence it should be the pairings a 2018 old format would have had.

DL4SAM (Donegal) - Posts: 17 - 26/06/2020 21:39:15    2281946

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Wonder will Dublin be vulnerable coming in cold to all ireland semi final? Maybe against Donegal but i think Tyrone are too defensive and nobody else would be good enough in my opinion.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2623 - 26/06/2020 22:29:47    2281951

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Replying To DL4SAM:  "They could argue that but they changed the rotation of the pairings when the Super 8s came along. So if you were to follow the old sequence it should be the pairings a 2018 old format would have had."
The U20 football championship runs off the old system (straight knockout) and its Kerry v Galway in this years U20 semifinal and Tyrone V dublin in the other semi.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11772 - 26/06/2020 22:53:32    2281953

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Why is there a backdoor option in hurling, but not in football? Seems very inconsistent, and unfair. From a football point of view, it only increases the gap between top and bottom, and has a hugely negative impact on weaker counties.

football first (None) - Posts: 1181 - 26/06/2020 23:02:12    2281954

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Munster vs Connacht and Ulster vs Leinster"
Thanks for the correction... just went by the champions paired in the groups for 2020 Horse... wasn't sure though.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2202 - 26/06/2020 23:05:47    2281955

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A Christmas All Ireland and Santa will be bringing us some present, 20-KY-SAM!!!!

Defence? Defence hell, all that matters is outscoring the other side.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5838 - 26/06/2020 23:07:27    2281956

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