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Replying To Tarismelting22: "Club football so they cant start earlier" Was club football not brought forward? I thought I read that the club football could begin earlier. The schedule is really tight for both club and county. We will see a spate of injuries I think. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 24/06/2020 12:11:18 2281715 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "Was club football not brought forward? I thought I read that the club football could begin earlier. The schedule is really tight for both club and county. We will see a spate of injuries I think." I think an open draw would bring great excitement to the football championship in particular.imagine Tyrone v Kerry in Omagh or Mayo v Dublin in Mayo Galway v donegal in Galway CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3663 - 24/06/2020 14:50:41 2281734 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "I think an open draw would bring great excitement to the football championship in particular.imagine Tyrone v Kerry in Omagh or Mayo v Dublin in Mayo Galway v donegal in Galway" Limerick v Wicklow in Newcastle West or Waterford v Leitrim in Tramore ya wow great excitement Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 24/06/2020 15:07:40 2281738 Link
Replying To Breezy: "Limerick v Wicklow in Newcastle West or Waterford v Leitrim in Tramore ya wow great excitement" Man, short but good post. It's always talked about how a Champions league style championship would be great with 8 groups of 4. It'd be a complete yawn fest. People complain about the Provincial's being rubbish, at least they have local rivals. An open draw to group stage would be woeful. There just aren't that many good teams. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4193 - 24/06/2020 16:48:35 2281747 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Man, short but good post. It's always talked about how a Champions league style championship would be great with 8 groups of 4. It'd be a complete yawn fest. People complain about the Provincial's being rubbish, at least they have local rivals. An open draw to group stage would be woeful. There just aren't that many good teams." Would only work in a tiered situation like the hurling otherwise it would be just as boring as the real CL where the groups are obvious every year bar the odd slip up Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 24/06/2020 17:38:47 2281753 Link
If we go with a pure 32-team Open Draw KO, I'd like to semi-manage the pairings to produce a sprinkling of exciting matchups, equitable fixture strength and avoidance of div 1v4 mismatches (unless a div 4 team has earned its place). Here goes - create a 'tennis style' vertical bracket, with drawn teams listed 1-32 (so in the Rd of 32, 1 hosts 2, 3h4 etc to 31h32). Draw 8 div 3 teams to bracket positions 3, 8, 11, 16, 19, 24, 27, 32. Draw 8 div 4 teams to bracket positions 4, 7, 12, 15, 20, 23, 28, 31. This creates 8 div 3v4 pairings (4 hosted by div 3). Then allocate 16 div 1&2 teams randomly. In the Rd of 16, 8 div 1 or 2 teams will play 8 from div 3 or 4. QFs and SFs at neutral Prov venues before Final at Croke Park. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2567 - 24/06/2020 23:09:09 2281771 Link
Note, in my idea above, only div 1 or 2 teams will host all 8 Rd of 16 ties. To give lower teams a chance to host in Rd 2, amend bracket positions to: Div 3 teams to 3, 6, 11, 14, 19, 22, 27, 30. Div 4 teams to 4, 5, 12, 13, 20, 21, 28, 29. Allocate combined divs 1&2 randomly to the remaining positions. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2567 - 24/06/2020 23:38:03 2281773 Link
Replying To omahant: "If we go with a pure 32-team Open Draw KO, I'd like to semi-manage the pairings to produce a sprinkling of exciting matchups, equitable fixture strength and avoidance of div 1v4 mismatches (unless a div 4 team has earned its place). Here goes - create a 'tennis style' vertical bracket, with drawn teams listed 1-32 (so in the Rd of 32, 1 hosts 2, 3h4 etc to 31h32). Draw 8 div 3 teams to bracket positions 3, 8, 11, 16, 19, 24, 27, 32. Draw 8 div 4 teams to bracket positions 4, 7, 12, 15, 20, 23, 28, 31. This creates 8 div 3v4 pairings (4 hosted by div 3). Then allocate 16 div 1&2 teams randomly. In the Rd of 16, 8 div 1 or 2 teams will play 8 from div 3 or 4. QFs and SFs at neutral Prov venues before Final at Croke Park." Not a fan of that at all. Just postponing the beatings till the second round and no way big teams would go for it. Can see some value in a completely open draw but for this year would be happy to go with the pre 2001 system thebronze14 (Donegal) - Posts: 41 - 24/06/2020 23:44:06 2281775 Link
Inter county plans will known according RTÉ on social media this morning Cloon12 (Kildare) - Posts: 53 - 25/06/2020 09:52:56 2281781 Link
Replying To Cloon12: "Inter county plans will known according RTÉ on social media this morning" Tomorrow morning (Friday) - straight knockout. No backdoor. Final 2 rounds of the league to be played out first. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11225 - 25/06/2020 10:36:51 2281790 Link
Replying To omahant: "If we go with a pure 32-team Open Draw KO, I'd like to semi-manage the pairings to produce a sprinkling of exciting matchups, equitable fixture strength and avoidance of div 1v4 mismatches (unless a div 4 team has earned its place). Here goes - create a 'tennis style' vertical bracket, with drawn teams listed 1-32 (so in the Rd of 32, 1 hosts 2, 3h4 etc to 31h32). Draw 8 div 3 teams to bracket positions 3, 8, 11, 16, 19, 24, 27, 32. Draw 8 div 4 teams to bracket positions 4, 7, 12, 15, 20, 23, 28, 31. This creates 8 div 3v4 pairings (4 hosted by div 3). Then allocate 16 div 1&2 teams randomly. In the Rd of 16, 8 div 1 or 2 teams will play 8 from div 3 or 4. QFs and SFs at neutral Prov venues before Final at Croke Park." In any sport I watch one of the main complaints about a tournament is when it gets too convoluted. I know the US loves cross division cross group cross league wildcard rival matches but it just doesn't go down well here. I don't know anyone who prefers the 2 group stage soccer CL format ,the nation's league format or the new 40 team WC format. Closer to home the constant changing and over complicating of the hurling league and the rugby pro league don't go down well Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 25/06/2020 10:49:24 2281792 Link
Replying To Breezy: "In any sport I watch one of the main complaints about a tournament is when it gets too convoluted. I know the US loves cross division cross group cross league wildcard rival matches but it just doesn't go down well here. I don't know anyone who prefers the 2 group stage soccer CL format ,the nation's league format or the new 40 team WC format. Closer to home the constant changing and over complicating of the hurling league and the rugby pro league don't go down well" What's wrong with a straight 32-team KO, no back door, no group games etc ? How does a simple 32-team bracket become convoluted ? Do you work for the White House ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2567 - 25/06/2020 15:08:56 2281817 Link
Replying To omahant: "What's wrong with a straight 32-team KO, no back door, no group games etc ? How does a simple 32-team bracket become convoluted ? Do you work for the White House ?" You describe your system as an open draw but then put in all these rules and pairings based on rank which is effectively not an open draw I'm fine with a simple 32 team open draw although I think the provincial system is better for this year Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 25/06/2020 15:24:19 2281821 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Tomorrow morning (Friday) - straight knockout. No backdoor. Final 2 rounds of the league to be played out first." And all ireland finals to be played on St. Stephens Day. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1895 - 25/06/2020 19:20:10 2281838 Link
GAA are too stupid to give up power of provincial councils. Everybody is sick of it but they don't want to concede power. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1729 - 25/06/2020 21:52:51 2281845 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "GAA are too stupid to give up power of provincial councils. Everybody is sick of it but they don't want to concede power." Everybody? speak for yourself please. I love the provincials Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 26/06/2020 01:23:55 2281852 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "GAA are too stupid to give up power of provincial councils. Everybody is sick of it but they don't want to concede power." Yeah it definitely won't happen this year. I do think if it's a money thing they could figure something out. I really do believe a 2 tier championship with 16 teams in 2 groups of 8 in the top championship at the height of the summer would be a great competition. As an Antrim fan I'd really love us to have a proper championship season each year. I loved the Ulster championship, have some great memories of sunny days in Casement but times have moved on and you see that in how attendances are dwindling. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4193 - 26/06/2020 10:12:11 2281857 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "GAA are too stupid to give up power of provincial councils. Everybody is sick of it but they don't want to concede power." It's the provincial councils themselves that want to hold onto the power. They think they're indispensable and as well as that, turkeys dont vote for Christmas. But I'd imagine Croke Park hq itself would at least be neutral on the question of provincial councils and would be open to living without them. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1901 - 26/06/2020 16:09:28 2281897 Link
A big disappointment that New York can't take part in the Connacht championship however it was expected and with such poor leadership at the top its not known when the USA will manage to control the virus in the way Ireland currently has. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3336 - 26/06/2020 17:34:57 2281907 Link
Does anyone know the reason of the semi final been changed this year. As far as I know ulster were down to play Connacht.. now it's Leinster v Ulster and Munster v Connacht. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2388 - 26/06/2020 18:19:23 2281911 Link