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Replying To Htaem:  "Ye I remember that, the local credit union was celebrating the Dubs winning 5 in a row as well, gas stuff.

I suppose with Dean Rock being a Meath man it's nice to support our own ;-)"
Hahaha.
Ahh mento Put the credit union in its place. Bloody disgraceful on both counts.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/06/2020 10:31:53    2281431

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Replying To royaldunne:  "No you misunderstood.
I was saying about a senior County club In Meath organised a bus from the clubhouse to Dublin match on SAME DAY, as Meath had a championship match. In which that club had players on the Meath team. That does not and as far as I know hasn't happens in any other major county club. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't think so. Also I think Bryan menton had it right last year on the credit union thing, welcoming HOME Dublin win."
I doubt many clubs would do something as obvious as charter a bus but there would certainly be villages and estates in Clare that would seem more Limerick than Clare alot of the time only difference is Dublin commuter belt is bigger

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 21/06/2020 11:32:13    2281435

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Replying To Breezy:  "I doubt many clubs would do something as obvious as charter a bus but there would certainly be villages and estates in Clare that would seem more Limerick than Clare alot of the time only difference is Dublin commuter belt is bigger"
Oh I get that. And I have absolutely no problem with that.
I don't live in Meath. But at no time would I ever organise something for a Meath match from within my current club.
And I think the fact this club at the time and still is one of the big 4 (who are likely to win senior) in Meath, really got on peoples nerves. But to add insult to injury as they say, that same club had players lining out for Meath on the same day.
My point was to yew tree when he said the population thing should mean we can compete with dubs. Now there is a litany of reasons why that hasn't happened yet (although we have made steady progress) but good population hasn't helped. In actual fact I'd say if anything it has hindered us.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/06/2020 12:09:13    2281440

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There have often been buses organised from my club to games all over the country. Same goes for most clubs in Dublin.

Go by any Dublin club when they've got their summer camps on or when they've got their underage teams training on Saturday morning and you'll see every jersey in the country you want.

Meath's struggles are in spite of population increases.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 21/06/2020 12:18:03    2281441

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Replying To cuttothebone:  "Do you mean the Kildare seniors that knocked Mayo out of the championship recently? Or is it the Kildare u21's who beat Mayo in an all Ireland final recently? Or are you referring to our lack of provincial titles that means beating Dublin to succeed, a team Mayo have little or no success against either..?"
I'm not talking about competing with and challenging for all Ireland titles over the past 20 years. A county like Kildare with their resources really should be doing better...I was not taking a pop.

Mayo have won minor, two u-21, club and multiple provincial titles and played in many all Ireland finals if you want to compare to Kildare.

Yes Kildare deserved their win in Newbridge and the u21 result and nobody from Mayo complained. We were happy to travel to Newbridge.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 21/06/2020 13:36:22    2281446

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Oh I get that. And I have absolutely no problem with that.
I don't live in Meath. But at no time would I ever organise something for a Meath match from within my current club.
And I think the fact this club at the time and still is one of the big 4 (who are likely to win senior) in Meath, really got on peoples nerves. But to add insult to injury as they say, that same club had players lining out for Meath on the same day.
My point was to yew tree when he said the population thing should mean we can compete with dubs. Now there is a litany of reasons why that hasn't happened yet (although we have made steady progress) but good population hasn't helped. In actual fact I'd say if anything it has hindered us."
Not that I'm an expert on Meath football but ide say your problems have nothing got to do with Dublin or population

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 21/06/2020 13:38:28    2281447

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Its an issue in the east alright, Kildare and Meath may as well be Dublin 25 and 26 in the border towns. But then you have Dublin with a massive population, but its a melting pot of different county's economic migrants who all head "home" on weekend or the long weekend and the like, be interesting to know how many Dubs actually live in Dublin, im sure some of these are in Kildare and Meath as well and its not just Dubs, yet the expat population and their kids still need paying for in terms of accommodating and developing into the GAA in schools and clubs, its why Dublin require the above average number of GDF its doing all the majority of the heavy lifting whether they be Dubs or not, Kildare and Meath have gotten a financial boost recently to. Its like this for example say Cillian O Connor has a kid, he brings them down to the local GAA club, they need to be accommodated and provided for even if Cillian isnt from Dublin and playing for Mayo, whether Cillians kid plays for Dublin or Mayo is the thing, raised and coached in Dublin, but might play for Mayo - hypothetical example by the way. same thing for Dubs living in Kildare or Meath, but it effects most counties in the east increasingly, its the opposite of rural depopulation, its rural flooding. Its the West to East migration and reflective of society.

On the opposite hand it has the depleting effect on the rural game or the huge commitment to stay connected, but that continuum becomes less and less as generations pass. A lot of inter county players live up here from loads of counties there isnt a month you dont bump into four or five if you are familiar, funny i see more from other counties then i do Dubs in general circulation.

If there was rule you have to live and play in the parish you live we would clean up.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/06/2020 14:10:33    2281448

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its an issue in the east alright, Kildare and Meath may as well be Dublin 25 and 26 in the border towns. But then you have Dublin with a massive population, but its a melting pot of different county's economic migrants who all head "home" on weekend or the long weekend and the like, be interesting to know how many Dubs actually live in Dublin, im sure some of these are in Kildare and Meath as well and its not just Dubs, yet the expat population and their kids still need paying for in terms of accommodating and developing into the GAA in schools and clubs, its why Dublin require the above average number of GDF its doing all the majority of the heavy lifting whether they be Dubs or not, Kildare and Meath have gotten a financial boost recently to. Its like this for example say Cillian O Connor has a kid, he brings them down to the local GAA club, they need to be accommodated and provided for even if Cillian isnt from Dublin and playing for Mayo, whether Cillians kid plays for Dublin or Mayo is the thing, raised and coached in Dublin, but might play for Mayo - hypothetical example by the way. same thing for Dubs living in Kildare or Meath, but it effects most counties in the east increasingly, its the opposite of rural depopulation, its rural flooding. Its the West to East migration and reflective of society.

On the opposite hand it has the depleting effect on the rural game or the huge commitment to stay connected, but that continuum becomes less and less as generations pass. A lot of inter county players live up here from loads of counties there isnt a month you dont bump into four or five if you are familiar, funny i see more from other counties then i do Dubs in general circulation.

If there was rule you have to live and play in the parish you live we would clean up."
And watch it get worse. The Green Party want to turn everything west of the Shannon into a nature reserve.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 21/06/2020 16:01:58    2281452

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Replying To Breezy:  "Not that I'm an expert on Meath football but ide say your problems have nothing got to do with Dublin or population"
It's more than that. But certainly both have contributed.
That been said Meath are on the way back of that there is little doubt, a extremely young team who have barring one game v Tyrone equipped themselves well in division one. And probably count themselves unlucky not to have points on the board, considering the amount of players missing it's been a huge positive going forward, I expect Meath to be promoted again next year and to remain in div 1, also depending on how championship unfolds ,to Finish off on a high. It suits us to be talked down at this stage (avg age is 22). With our main forwards still been teenagers. So no matter who or what has come into Meath. We have and will continue to overcome it.
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/06/2020 16:07:16    2281456

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Htaem how is this allowed by the gaa? I know there is a parish rule but doesn't it extend to county?

If your living and playing club football in a county then you should play for that county although I was happy for Conor Cox to go to Roscommon.

Can ye imagine if we had the kerry contingent of the O'Sheas from Mayo and Fenton and cian Ó'Sullivan over the last few years when we were deep in transision, it would have eased things for us big time and allowed us time to ease the likes of David and Seánie into the team."
To be fair I'd say a lot of the Dub playing for Meath clubs wouldn't be of intercounty standard anyway, but the few who are would have no interest in playing for Meath.

I don't know if any of the current Dublin panel are living in Meath, but given how close we are they could still easily live in Meath and remain with their Dublin club teams.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2020 16:51:12    2281458

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Replying To Breezy:  "Not that I'm an expert on Meath football but ide say your problems have nothing got to do with Dublin or population"
Our problems are mainly due to consistently terrible decision making by our county board over a sustained period of time, particularly between 2002-2012 where fell hopelessly behind the pack.

I'd take our population figure with a pinch of salt though.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2020 17:03:23    2281459

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Replying To yew_tree:  "And watch it get worse. The Green Party want to turn everything west of the Shannon into a nature reserve."
Féckin Green party, we have a few cattle here at home yew_tree, might have to wrap their ársés with cling film if Eamon Ryan and his buddies get their way!!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2020 17:06:41    2281460

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Not all of the in flux to Meath is from Dublin and not all the dubs and their families are not involved with Meath.

Curraha and Ratoath have way fewer of the displaced Dubs going out to them than Bettystown or Ashbourne for instance.

The further West you go in the county the less of an issue it is. Trim, Kells, Navan are big towns without a load of Dubs.

Meath football struggles now because they were late to get tactical and had their own traditional style of play that they didn't move away from for too long.

I played in Meath from 2010-2017 and for those first few years the club game there was like going back in time.

There's too many clubs in Meath also and the juveniles don't play enough quality games. Meath has a really preoccupation with development squads and those teams perform well but it's at the expense of some many other potential good juveniles developing.

Really bugs me Meath people crying poor mouth about the affect of Dublin on them, if you look for an excuse you'll never look to get better.

Some of your clubs are so well resourced. The facilities in Donaghmore (where's there's still a lot of Meath GAA people) or Ratoath and then Dunganny are all fantastic.

There's plenty of smaller clubs with excellent pitches.

There's no excuse for Meath.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 21/06/2020 17:19:32    2281461

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Replying To yew_tree:  "And watch it get worse. The Green Party want to turn everything west of the Shannon into a nature reserve."
The in laws are out your direction mate, and have issued a fatwa against the greens around their plans for carbon taxing turf and energy, i think its policies like that, that will continue to drive people east, very little foresight into the impact and or investment in alternatives.

The whole green taxation is an easy win for the government (not that i'm against the principle), you are planet hater if you object in any way, but it will change the lifestyle and economy of rural Ireland without a doubt and another reason for people to head east.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 21/06/2020 17:34:05    2281463

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Replying To royaldunne:  "It's more than that. But certainly both have contributed.
That been said Meath are on the way back of that there is little doubt, a extremely young team who have barring one game v Tyrone equipped themselves well in division one. And probably count themselves unlucky not to have points on the board, considering the amount of players missing it's been a huge positive going forward, I expect Meath to be promoted again next year and to remain in div 1, also depending on how championship unfolds ,to Finish off on a high. It suits us to be talked down at this stage (avg age is 22). With our main forwards still been teenagers. So no matter who or what has come into Meath. We have and will continue to overcome it.
Hon the royal"
While it is possibly encouraging that the average age of the Meath team is so young it is not necessarily so. That the average age is 22 certainly suggests that the previous incumbents whose places they have taken were way short of the required standard but there is no guarantee that the new young team will develope into anything better, who knows?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 678 - 21/06/2020 17:55:47    2281465

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Not all of the in flux to Meath is from Dublin and not all the dubs and their families are not involved with Meath.

Curraha and Ratoath have way fewer of the displaced Dubs going out to them than Bettystown or Ashbourne for instance.

The further West you go in the county the less of an issue it is. Trim, Kells, Navan are big towns without a load of Dubs.

Meath football struggles now because they were late to get tactical and had their own traditional style of play that they didn't move away from for too long.

I played in Meath from 2010-2017 and for those first few years the club game there was like going back in time.

There's too many clubs in Meath also and the juveniles don't play enough quality games. Meath has a really preoccupation with development squads and those teams perform well but it's at the expense of some many other potential good juveniles developing.

Really bugs me Meath people crying poor mouth about the affect of Dublin on them, if you look for an excuse you'll never look to get better.

Some of your clubs are so well resourced. The facilities in Donaghmore (where's there's still a lot of Meath GAA people) or Ratoath and then Dunganny are all fantastic.

There's plenty of smaller clubs with excellent pitches.

There's no excuse for Meath."
Don't think anybody is crying the poor mouth Whammo, I think most of us have consistently said that our problems were mainly caused by poor organisation at County Board level.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2020 17:57:31    2281466

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Replying To Htaem:  "Féckin Green party, we have a few cattle here at home yew_tree, might have to wrap their ársés with cling film if Eamon Ryan and his buddies get their way!!"
Ironically policy is driving towRda factory style farms...I see it myself here...if you milking anything less than 200 cows now your wasting your time...all big farms.

One of the biggest dairy herds in connacht is now owned by Co Op Aurivo...big farm rented out to them.

Small and medium sized farmers are a thing of the past.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 21/06/2020 18:05:53    2281467

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Replying To Htaem:  "Don't think anybody is crying the poor mouth Whammo, I think most of us have consistently said that our problems were mainly caused by poor organisation at County Board level."
K maybe I picked people up badly.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 21/06/2020 18:24:15    2281468

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Ironically policy is driving towRda factory style farms...I see it myself here...if you milking anything less than 200 cows now your wasting your time...all big farms.

One of the biggest dairy herds in connacht is now owned by Co Op Aurivo...big farm rented out to them.

Small and medium sized farmers are a thing of the past."
Same around our way really, family farms have been dying for a long time, you need to either be in a big way or just do a small bit and have an off farm job.

The Greens are going to make things even worse, they certainly favour larger towns and cities over rural Ireland.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/06/2020 18:32:46    2281469

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I'm not talking about competing with and challenging for all Ireland titles over the past 20 years. A county like Kildare with their resources really should be doing better...I was not taking a pop.

Mayo have won minor, two u-21, club and multiple provincial titles and played in many all Ireland finals if you want to compare to Kildare.

Yes Kildare deserved their win in Newbridge and the u21 result and nobody from Mayo complained. We were happy to travel to Newbridge."
"Doing better" how? Kildare are the one team that can regularly beat Dublin underage, at senior no team in the country could win a Leinster so you're hardly going to give us stick for that.
It's very easy to win a connacht when every other year your nearest rival must play you at home. 1982 was the last time Dublin played Kildare in Newbridge.
Imagine Mayo playing Galway every year, final, semi final, 1st rd, doesn't matter,in Tuam for 40 odd years? How many connachts would Mayo have now if they did?
Would the likes of Boyle and Moran hang around for as long as they have done in that instance? Not likely.
That is why there is absolutely zero comparisons between teams inside the joke that is the Leinster championship and teams outside.
Before you go and ask why not do better in the league? Well Kildare in fairness are regular visitors to div1 and strong div 2 team but unlike teams outside Leinster our players have zero chance of championship silverware and so, again, player turnover is big problem, (that and UN deployment!)
All of which inevitably leads to a lack of consistency.
I think that should explain it for you.

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 21/06/2020 20:42:37    2281475

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