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The Corona Virus And Possible Effects To GAA Matches

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "With Chinas population increasing by 5 million per annum and the beginning of mutterings in the western world regarding continuing to have goods manufactured in China,how long can China sustain its population?
Can we realistically expect them to just roll over when this happens?
The Chinese own all the American paper(bonds) so realistically they own USA,what happens if they call this up?"
China owns about 1.3 trillion of USA debt.. about same as Japan. If China called in its debt, the dollar would collapse and world recession worse than the 2009 crisis would ensue! China's economy would suffer along with everyone else. Right now the USA is printing money at a record pace, the debt is bigger than the economy and it remains to be seen how this economic experiment will end up! Right now stock market is at record levels, fueled by FAANG and the Nasdaq. Way overvalued in my opinion, but I don't see China calling in debt!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/04/2021 04:47:29    2337131

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "People who have never left the country have changed their accent to a D4 accent, as if they are ashamed of having a thick Dublin working class brogue, a strong Cork or Kerry or a flat midlands accent for example. I think that's worse than anyone who has picked up a bit of a twang from being overseas."
Oh really.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 14/04/2021 10:37:06    2337144

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USA finally got rid of our last joke of a president! Trump is out! I think Ireland should do the same with the current incompetent nitwit! Go get the people vaccinated!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/04/2021 10:51:23    2337149

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Oh really."
"Oh really" Yes really, trying to act posh and sophisticated, "loike".

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 14/04/2021 11:07:31    2337152

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Replying To AfricanGael:  ""Oh really" Yes really, trying to act posh and sophisticated, "loike". "
Who cares what accent a person has? Grow up! Everyone has an accent. Never saw a country so fixated on accents! By the way, I have seen so many nonsensical posters wanting to split Dublin up! Will never happen. In actual fact, Dublin saved Gaelic football from the defensive drivel that had permeated the game! They are a breath of fresh air. Best football team to have ever played the game!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/04/2021 11:17:37    2337154

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Replying To Rockies:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  ""Oh really" Yes really, trying to act posh and sophisticated, "loike". "
Who cares what accent a person has? Grow up! Everyone has an accent. Never saw a country so fixated on accents! By the way, I have seen so many nonsensical posters wanting to split Dublin up! Will never happen. In actual fact, Dublin saved Gaelic football from the defensive drivel that had permeated the game! They are a breath of fresh air. Best football team to have ever played the game!"
Sounds like your having a great "vacation" in Florida, it was Florida you said wasn't it. :-). I can give you the number of a good plumber in Yonkers, sounds like you need it.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 14/04/2021 12:09:10    2337159

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Replying To AfricanGael:  ""Oh really" Yes really, trying to act posh and sophisticated, "loike". "
How do you know they're ashamed of their accent? Can't say a person's accent annoys me. We all have one.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 14/04/2021 12:21:31    2337160

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Replying To Rockies:  "U.K. variant originated in U.K. yes.., spike in Ireland after Christmas was caused by visitors from England bringing the variant into republic. The variant then took hold in republic and transmitted over here by you lot!As you all probably know by now that variant is now present in New York where I live! Doesn't really bother us as we are not in the blame game, and the vaccines should take care of it. Anyway, as I am on vacation in Florida I don't have time to iron out the issues in Ireland. Please don't arrest any more Gaelic footballers and suspend anymore coaches! It's hilarious really . Stick Belgium and France into quarantine hotels but not Holland! Stick Austria into hotels but not Germany! What a farce! Stick Americans and Canadians into hotels but not Brits ! What a joke! Brits I believe are partying up a storm in Soho... won't be long before they are over in the land of thousand welcomes spreading the virus again! Who will you blame then? No point really playing the all Ireland. Just give football to Dublin and hurling to limerick. Both are way ahead of any challengers. I won't be on again to give you the benefit of my wisdom, but best of luck in your lockdowns!!!"
Jeez Florida must be crap with the amount of times you're on here yapping. I'd agree with a lot of what you're saying re: quarantine measures. It has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. But we're all here just trying to get by day by day, many facing extreme challenges to their livelihoods and mental health. Your childish mocking posts are in very poor taste. The U.S. is far from some Utopia that you're portraying either. Rampant racism, poverty, very expensive health care & completely ridiculous gun laws exist there. Lets not forget who they last elected as well before Biden. A megalomaniac whose ego was only matched by his stupidity.

We'll continue to do our civic duty. The vaccine supply and delays caused by the extremely rare blood clotting cases are bumps in the road for sure & unwelcome. But the more and more of our elderly we take care of the less and less deaths and hospitalizations we'll see. We'll reopen and do what we always do - get on with things and rebuild the economy again.

Best of luck in the U.S.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9132 - 14/04/2021 12:51:18    2337162

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Replying To Rockies:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  ""Oh really" Yes really, trying to act posh and sophisticated, "loike". "
Who cares what accent a person has? Grow up! Everyone has an accent. Never saw a country so fixated on accents! By the way, I have seen so many nonsensical posters wanting to split Dublin up! Will never happen. In actual fact, Dublin saved Gaelic football from the defensive drivel that had permeated the game! They are a breath of fresh air. Best football team to have ever played the game!"
Dublin don't play defensive football??

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 14/04/2021 12:56:52    2337163

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BBC radio Ulster news on today blowing how great of an achievement now Norths girls soccer team won last night. Reporter said it was even more unbelievable that they had to go back to work as nurses, teachers and supermarket staff. Why no kick up. Reporter said the were amateurs. Different rules again for the two minority' sports in Ireland.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2012 - 14/04/2021 14:34:32    2337178

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We have drifted a bit but the topic or a topic should be the effect of covid regulations on are national sports and youth. At the out set it is understandable that mistakes were made because of not knowing exactly what was been dealt with. Both fear, trepidation and horrible sickness, cut the powers that be some slack. However eventually as with government they embark on a course of stupidity and in this case hypocrisy. Too many examples to list. Like the stupidity of someone going out for a bike ride limited to 5 km. who never comes in contact with anyone if they go 5km or 50 km. Kicking a ball around out in a big field. My brother inlaw says he is calling the bushes by name from going around ten times a day. The b.s of trying to tell us that there are elite sports that don't effect the spread but right in my families community a soccer player is doing the same as everyone else. In fact getting around much more. This one is the hypocrisy and the GAA should have grown pair and not stood for it. They let down their members and the price will be many will never return. The more sinister element is government continuing to bully the majority who comply because they can't control the minority while flaunting themselves. The net effect of that is people are fed up and saying to hell with these regulations and could be adding to the problem.
Time will tell how this was handled and god forbid if there is another or more serious because by then we will know of the nonsense and crap we got fed. The GAA by bending over backwards instead of showing leadership for their community will also stand indicted.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 14/04/2021 14:50:42    2337179

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  ""Oh really" Yes really, trying to act posh and sophisticated, "loike". "
How do you know they're ashamed of their accent? Can't say a person's accent annoys me. We all have one."
as if they are ashamed of having a thick Dublin working class brogue, a strong Cork or Kerry or a flat midlands accent for example. I think that's worse than anyone who has picked up a bit of a twang from being overseas.

You missed the very important "as if" part of my post. Accent discrimination does exist in Ireland which I think is disgusting, that someone would be made to feel so ashamed of their accent that they would feel the need to adapt a "posher" sounding accent in order to perhaps get certain jobs for example. There are certain multinationals based in Dublin who have not hired individuals who have a thick Dublin working class brogue for example, regardless of their qualifications.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 14/04/2021 15:37:37    2337187

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Replying To Canuck:  "We have drifted a bit but the topic or a topic should be the effect of covid regulations on are national sports and youth. At the out set it is understandable that mistakes were made because of not knowing exactly what was been dealt with. Both fear, trepidation and horrible sickness, cut the powers that be some slack. However eventually as with government they embark on a course of stupidity and in this case hypocrisy. Too many examples to list. Like the stupidity of someone going out for a bike ride limited to 5 km. who never comes in contact with anyone if they go 5km or 50 km. Kicking a ball around out in a big field. My brother inlaw says he is calling the bushes by name from going around ten times a day. The b.s of trying to tell us that there are elite sports that don't effect the spread but right in my families community a soccer player is doing the same as everyone else. In fact getting around much more. This one is the hypocrisy and the GAA should have grown pair and not stood for it. They let down their members and the price will be many will never return. The more sinister element is government continuing to bully the majority who comply because they can't control the minority while flaunting themselves. The net effect of that is people are fed up and saying to hell with these regulations and could be adding to the problem.
Time will tell how this was handled and god forbid if there is another or more serious because by then we will know of the nonsense and crap we got fed. The GAA by bending over backwards instead of showing leadership for their community will also stand indicted."
I take it that you are fairly well frustrated at gov and the GAA !!!
While I understand your frustration I don't agreee that the GAA should have grown a pair
I think that the gov had and have an impossible task in trying to keep the country safe, protect businesses and keep the country in a good position for the economy to regenerate as the pandemic declines.
It's funny really, we had around 3 weeks of opposition leaders almost screaming non stop at gov ministers to bring in full quarantine and now they are almost silent as 'hard cases' come to light.

From a GAA perspective what more could they have done... they successfully had some games for most levels and age profiles last year and have followed the health advice thus showing a responsible attitude and aiding social cohesion while some of our so called elite decided that they are above health advice and continued to have their players train under darkness, semi light and far flung pitches...they have responded to these counties, for me not half strong enough but at least they have done so and furnished us with a pathway for the year ahead.

There is this feeling or emotive response out there that the GAA should have stood up to government, this has held away with some within the GAA in recent times. But if they had taken on the gov, would they have succeeded ? What would be the outcome ?
The GAA woikd have won no concession I believe as NPHET and their advice would have held away and trumped any attempt by the GAA to have any games programme for any competition.

As a community organisation I believe that the GAA has acted responsibly. They have tried to endorse the health advice from the experts and have given clear instruction to all units on what to do.

John Horan was very clear when interviewed on tv especially on where we stood.
People are fully entitled to be critical but what alternatives did gov and the GAA have apart from the course of action they took... were mistakes made, I think so especially where the gov gave into hospitality and small businesses and opened far too early for the Christmas season. Otherwise I think they have done their best.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 14/04/2021 17:12:45    2337206

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Replying To carlowman:  "I take it that you are fairly well frustrated at gov and the GAA !!!
While I understand your frustration I don't agreee that the GAA should have grown a pair
I think that the gov had and have an impossible task in trying to keep the country safe, protect businesses and keep the country in a good position for the economy to regenerate as the pandemic declines.
It's funny really, we had around 3 weeks of opposition leaders almost screaming non stop at gov ministers to bring in full quarantine and now they are almost silent as 'hard cases' come to light.

From a GAA perspective what more could they have done... they successfully had some games for most levels and age profiles last year and have followed the health advice thus showing a responsible attitude and aiding social cohesion while some of our so called elite decided that they are above health advice and continued to have their players train under darkness, semi light and far flung pitches...they have responded to these counties, for me not half strong enough but at least they have done so and furnished us with a pathway for the year ahead.

There is this feeling or emotive response out there that the GAA should have stood up to government, this has held away with some within the GAA in recent times. But if they had taken on the gov, would they have succeeded ? What would be the outcome ?
The GAA woikd have won no concession I believe as NPHET and their advice would have held away and trumped any attempt by the GAA to have any games programme for any competition.

As a community organisation I believe that the GAA has acted responsibly. They have tried to endorse the health advice from the experts and have given clear instruction to all units on what to do.

John Horan was very clear when interviewed on tv especially on where we stood.
People are fully entitled to be critical but what alternatives did gov and the GAA have apart from the course of action they took... were mistakes made, I think so especially where the gov gave into hospitality and small businesses and opened far too early for the Christmas season. Otherwise I think they have done their best."
I respect your opinion and their stance probable has a lot to do with government funding present and future. While their position was some what tentative they should never have accepted selectively getting treated different than other team sports under the guise of elitism. it shows weakness. The inter county player has more elitism in his pinky than some others who got treated differently. Also the nonsense that if you play soccer, go to the work place and have the same life style as a GAA player you are not a risk. Lets not use the numbers scenario. We were told one spread is one too many. Like some poster said are there some thing in these other sports that makes you immune.
With regards John Horan he did more flip flopping than a jelly fish during his term. In my opinion the worst the GAA ever had.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 14/04/2021 19:31:31    2337220

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Replying To Saynothing:  "BBC radio Ulster news on today blowing how great of an achievement now Norths girls soccer team won last night. Reporter said it was even more unbelievable that they had to go back to work as nurses, teachers and supermarket staff. Why no kick up. Reporter said the were amateurs. Different rules again for the two minority' sports in Ireland."
Its in a different jurisdiction, different rules, restrictions in both parts. Irish Ladies Rugby are regarded as elite, ditto Irish Ladies Hockey who incidently were recently on training camp in of all places South Africa. The UK has staked virtually everything on AZ and yet most countries are restricting or just dumping it altogether. So the notion of "elite" is purely an opinion based on expedience. It wouldnt do to classify the Irish hockey team as amateurs andvtgey not able to go to Olympics, Irish ladies rugby is classified as "elite" because its international yet a cohort of those players are GAA club (not inter-county) players. So the nonsense goes on and on.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 14/04/2021 21:08:46    2337230

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Replying To Canuck:  "I respect your opinion and their stance probable has a lot to do with government funding present and future. While their position was some what tentative they should never have accepted selectively getting treated different than other team sports under the guise of elitism. it shows weakness. The inter county player has more elitism in his pinky than some others who got treated differently. Also the nonsense that if you play soccer, go to the work place and have the same life style as a GAA player you are not a risk. Lets not use the numbers scenario. We were told one spread is one too many. Like some poster said are there some thing in these other sports that makes you immune.
With regards John Horan he did more flip flopping than a jelly fish during his term. In my opinion the worst the GAA ever had."
But GAA is different to the other sports.
They got very lucky to be allowed to be treated differently before christmas as the GAA was allowed be played when nearly all other amateur sports did not.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3509 - 14/04/2021 21:29:22    2337232

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Replying To KillingFields:  "But GAA is different to the other sports.
They got very lucky to be allowed to be treated differently before christmas as the GAA was allowed be played when nearly all other amateur sports did not."
Why don't you address for once the difference between a semi pro soccer player and a GAA player training and playing while going to the work place and living in the community. Is there a percentage of amatuerism or professionalism that give you immunity. Don't use testing and numbers to okay the discrepancy. I agree with Phil Fanning when he said something is not correct when he drove by the RSC and there is a match plus another 20 more around in progress. Most of the support crew are amateur because there is not money to pay them. He drive another few kilometres and there are chains on the Roanmore, DeLaSalle and Mount Sion gates. You can slice or dice it anyway you want but this is not right.
If other amateur sports were dealt a similar hand then they got the shaft also. Especially that guy who goes out his bike to get some practice for competition and limited to 5 km. It is going to be difficult to get people to comply with any restrictions in the future with the nonsense of some stuff sent down this time. I emphasize some of the stuff because I adhere to regulations but also hear family members who fight this virus from the front line shake their heads at some of the stuff.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 14/04/2021 22:54:10    2337246

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Replying To Canuck:  "I respect your opinion and their stance probable has a lot to do with government funding present and future. While their position was some what tentative they should never have accepted selectively getting treated different than other team sports under the guise of elitism. it shows weakness. The inter county player has more elitism in his pinky than some others who got treated differently. Also the nonsense that if you play soccer, go to the work place and have the same life style as a GAA player you are not a risk. Lets not use the numbers scenario. We were told one spread is one too many. Like some poster said are there some thing in these other sports that makes you immune.
With regards John Horan he did more flip flopping than a jelly fish during his term. In my opinion the worst the GAA ever had."
Don't think there was ever a plan to go back in Jan or Feb so the only loss of the elite status was March. Seeing as the numbers were so high at the time, the Gaa probably felt that being careful was the right plan.

Regards your criticism of Horan being the worst president ever, I think it's harsh. What other president faced a pandemic which halted everything during their term ?

The Gaa have been cautious since the pandemic started but given its unknown nature it may have been the best approach.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 15/04/2021 00:22:39    2337251

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Leinster rugby are trialling having spectators in RDS next month. I hope the GAA can examine this and maybe have fans for the All Ireland semis and finals in August. Croke park at 80,000 capacity is certainly big enough imho. RDS only has 10K, I think.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 15/04/2021 11:12:20    2337272

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Replying To galwayford:  "Leinster rugby are trialling having spectators in RDS next month. I hope the GAA can examine this and maybe have fans for the All Ireland semis and finals in August. Croke park at 80,000 capacity is certainly big enough imho. RDS only has 10K, I think."
Leinster rugby *hope* to trial having 2000 supporters in the RDS. Powers that have to approve it first but I have my doubts that the request will be approved unfortunately. It would be a good idea to see how it would work imo.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 15/04/2021 11:29:33    2337277

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