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Hurling Referees Destroying Hurling

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Loads of rubbish about common sense referring. This type of "Common sense" means the ref decides when he applies the rules. Hardly fair and hardly common sense!

If the rules are wrong change the rules. Don't have rules and not apply them. Like the a 65 when the goalie steps outside the small box taking a puck out.................. the day they applied it (correctly as per the rules) all hell broke lose!

What does let it flow mean?? Liberal application of the advantage rule.......thats ok. But not giving a free when someone is fouled and has no advantage????

I'd love Cody or some of these hurling is perfect as it is merchants to tell me what fouls should not be fouls...... usually only the fouls committed by their own team! They should then make a proposal to have the rules changed to allow them...................."
I'd love Cody or some of these hurling is perfect as it is merchants to tell me what fouls should not be fouls...... usually only the fouls committed by their own team!

It's funny because it's always managers etc from team who ''play on the eadge'' who think that. If they had their way there wouldn't be any fouls at all

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 391 - 28/02/2020 09:12:57    2270610

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The referee in the Tipp V Waterford Sean Stack must be having a competition with Johnny Murphy as to who can give most cards out in a match . Absolute joke . We will be calling it tag hurling soon .

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 288 - 01/03/2020 14:44:12    2271122

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Its turning people off. The lack of physical contact. If it's going to be no touch then Hockey is a better game

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1285 - 01/03/2020 14:51:09    2271127

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Replying To OpenStand:  "The referee in the Tipp V Waterford Sean Stack must be having a competition with Johnny Murphy as to who can give most cards out in a match . Absolute joke . We will be calling it tag hurling soon ."
It was no "tag" blow from Gleeson, what a shocking reckless pull not even looking where he smashed the hurl onto the head. No problem with that red card, the earlier yellow was ludicrous it was a brilliant flick. But maybe it is too late for Waterford dial the reckless play down, no one to blame but themselves.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4379 - 01/03/2020 14:58:47    2271128

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Have hurlers considered not fouling, or change the rules so that they are not fouls. You can't be blaming the referee for just implementing the rules.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 39 - 01/03/2020 15:11:34    2271132

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Replying To OpenStand:  "The referee in the Tipp V Waterford Sean Stack must be having a competition with Johnny Murphy as to who can give most cards out in a match . Absolute joke . We will be calling it tag hurling soon ."
Nonsense. Can you really argue with any of the red cards especially?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1375 - 01/03/2020 15:41:43    2271146

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nonsense. Can you really argue with any of the red cards especially?"
I can't and the Umpires and Linesmen were involved in the Red Card decisions, which is what a number of posters want. I am one who feels they should be involved and it worked today.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 135 - 01/03/2020 18:14:41    2271254

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I have always said referees in hurling have a terrible job and loath to condemn them. It is a two two man job on the field following the play. Umpires and lines men are asked specific questions and not monitoring the play. Why ? If the lines man looks back for the afters he will miss who put the ball over the line. Consistence is going to be an issue going forward as none for these red cards will be called in the summer. Not saying they were not deserved. Gleeson was a careless pull but no intent in the world to injure. If Kevin Moran far-ed he would have done more damage and the Tipp player should be ashamed of himself for embellishing as he was also the instigator. Barrett I did not see anything. Prunty pulled on the ball and made contact with it. We want and don't want the rules implemented but the standard of officiating is low and some thing is required to help. Crazy to expect the ref to control what is happening a 100 yds away. Again consistently will go out the window in the heat of championship and is that fair to the players dismissed today?

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 914 - 01/03/2020 22:20:14    2271428

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Loads of rubbish about common sense referring. This type of "Common sense" means the ref decides when he applies the rules. Hardly fair and hardly common sense!

If the rules are wrong change the rules. Don't have rules and not apply them. Like the a 65 when the goalie steps outside the small box taking a puck out.................. the day they applied it (correctly as per the rules) all hell broke lose!

What does let it flow mean?? Liberal application of the advantage rule.......thats ok. But not giving a free when someone is fouled and has no advantage????

I'd love Cody or some of these hurling is perfect as it is merchants to tell me what fouls should not be fouls...... usually only the fouls committed by their own team! They should then make a proposal to have the rules changed to allow them...................."
agree 100%.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 831 - 01/03/2020 23:27:11    2271453

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Replying To Canuck:  "I have always said referees in hurling have a terrible job and loath to condemn them. It is a two two man job on the field following the play. Umpires and lines men are asked specific questions and not monitoring the play. Why ? If the lines man looks back for the afters he will miss who put the ball over the line. Consistence is going to be an issue going forward as none for these red cards will be called in the summer. Not saying they were not deserved. Gleeson was a careless pull but no intent in the world to injure. If Kevin Moran far-ed he would have done more damage and the Tipp player should be ashamed of himself for embellishing as he was also the instigator. Barrett I did not see anything. Prunty pulled on the ball and made contact with it. We want and don't want the rules implemented but the standard of officiating is low and some thing is required to help. Crazy to expect the ref to control what is happening a 100 yds away. Again consistently will go out the window in the heat of championship and is that fair to the players dismissed today?"
Gleeson never got near the ball. A player with the quality he has doesn't miss a ball by that much. It was a silly pull and he really has to start learning soon.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2867 - 02/03/2020 07:41:59    2271489

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If hurling is been ruined start with the players and managers first. The reffing ain't that bad.

And someone please explain common sense to me? Who's common sense??? Ref is not there is enure a free flowing game.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1578 - 02/03/2020 08:44:28    2271501

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If a ref decides to let a game flow he is in effect turning a blind eye to certain foul play. Foul play is one thing reckless tackling and a complete disregard for an opponent will lead to serious injury. Hurling despite common perception is not a dangerous game, a ref letting the game flow is going a long way towards making it so.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4379 - 02/03/2020 09:59:31    2271535

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Gleeson deserved a straight red. It was cowardly and miles off the ball. County hurlers don't miss the ball by a foot when they are trying to bat it.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 215 - 02/03/2020 11:50:26    2271584

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Gleeson deserved a straight red. It was miles off the ball. County hurlers don't miss the ball by a foot when they are trying to bat it.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 215 - 02/03/2020 11:51:51    2271586

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Gleeson never got near the ball. A player with the quality he has doesn't miss a ball by that much. It was a silly pull and he really has to start learning soon."
The problem is when it comes to championship, players get away with the same fouls or even worse and sometimes there isn't even a free given. There are probs with implementation, interpretation of the rules and with the officials - the ref is as good as his officials when it comes to off the ball stuff. Then again some of the probs come from certain managers who encourage 'warfare' at training sessions - hard to expect players to control themselves in a hurling game when there is no whistle blown at training!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 820 - 02/03/2020 13:15:37    2271636

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Gleeson deserved a straight red. It was miles off the ball. County hurlers don't miss the ball by a foot when they are trying to bat it."
The irony is that Gleeson can play next Sunday whereas the other two are ruled out for what appeared to much less serious offences.
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midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 199 - 02/03/2020 13:18:27    2271637

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Gleeson never got near the ball. A player with the quality he has doesn't miss a ball by that much. It was a silly pull and he really has to start learning soon."
For all the ability he undoubtedly has, he is far too prone to silliness like that.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 940 - 02/03/2020 13:28:06    2271642

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Gleeson deserved a straight red. It was miles off the ball. County hurlers don't miss the ball by a foot when they are trying to bat it."
Watch it again. He went in for to block and missed. Clumsy yes, deliberate no, and a card for that clumsy hit as it injured the Tipp player. Not too many comments on here about the unsportmanship betrayed in getting Kevin Moran sent off, deliberate yes.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 914 - 02/03/2020 13:48:29    2271654

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Replying To baire:  "The problem is when it comes to championship, players get away with the same fouls or even worse and sometimes there isn't even a free given. There are probs with implementation, interpretation of the rules and with the officials - the ref is as good as his officials when it comes to off the ball stuff. Then again some of the probs come from certain managers who encourage 'warfare' at training sessions - hard to expect players to control themselves in a hurling game when there is no whistle blown at training!"
Maybe ya but there has been a few instances in the last few years where reds were issued

I've watched it back again and I don't know how anyone can defend that one. He's one of the best players in the country but he's doing this type of thing too often and I wouldn't be surprised if Cahill drops him. If any manager will do it, he will.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2867 - 02/03/2020 22:22:33    2271811

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Replying To Canuck:  "Watch it again. He went in for to block and missed. Clumsy yes, deliberate no, and a card for that clumsy hit as it injured the Tipp player. Not too many comments on here about the unsportmanship betrayed in getting Kevin Moran sent off, deliberate yes."
I did watch it, he was early and missed the ball by a foot and struck the tipp player in the side of the head. U10's don't "miss" by that much. Deliberate and cowardly, don't understand how you can defend that. Hope it gets upgraded to a straight red.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 215 - 03/03/2020 12:40:31    2271929

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