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Replying To HB245:  "Yet again putting these great ideas out there without actually offering an alternative or solution. Who are these specialist corner backs you're referring to? Specialist corner backs don't exist anymore. You have to be a ball player also, that's why Conor Boyle was the perfect man to have in the full back line. There isn't any better man markers in the county right now than O'Toole or Wylie. Shane Hanratty is about the only name worth throwing in the conversation. Roman Grimes is also a great man marker at club level and probably deserves a mentioning."
You're some boy if you think Boyle didn't jump before he was pushed. Look what Costello did to him last year and what Derry did to him the year before.

Ronan Boyle from Truagh, fantastic defender 1v1, he'd be a far better option than Wylie these days

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 199 - 18/03/2024 01:22:12    2531840

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Replying To 222:  "Made a good fight of it but deserved to be relegated. Poor composure let us down, sickening to see Tyrone beat us again in an important game and relegate us, we always seems to let them dictate things.
Manzy was class last night."
Most monaghan Tyrone matches of last 20 years usually follow exact same pattern. Tyrone grab early lead monaghan usually average for first half then the big rally in second half but usually run out of gas and Tyrone pick them off. Same story other night. Some rebuild job ahead. Mccarron and mcmanus still the main men up front. For whatever reason injuries inexperience bad luck etc we haven't developed any alternative inside men at this level at the right age . Had high hopes for Sean Jones but just seemed cursed by injuries. Saw no league time at all. Canavan was a class apart the other night for Tyrone.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 18/03/2024 09:22:28    2531859

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "You're some boy if you think Boyle didn't jump before he was pushed. Look what Costello did to him last year and what Derry did to him the year before.

Ronan Boyle from Truagh, fantastic defender 1v1, he'd be a far better option than Wylie these days"
Ronan Boyle opted out of the panel this year.
Boyle from Clontibret would comfortably be starting for us right now also.

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 251 - 18/03/2024 10:18:03    2531873

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Replying To seanie08:  "Most monaghan Tyrone matches of last 20 years usually follow exact same pattern. Tyrone grab early lead monaghan usually average for first half then the big rally in second half but usually run out of gas and Tyrone pick them off. Same story other night. Some rebuild job ahead. Mccarron and mcmanus still the main men up front. For whatever reason injuries inexperience bad luck etc we haven't developed any alternative inside men at this level at the right age . Had high hopes for Sean Jones but just seemed cursed by injuries. Saw no league time at all. Canavan was a class apart the other night for Tyrone."
Or if our big problems has always been our 16-30 on the panel. These lads are just average players unfortunately and that's what we have at the moment. Put our best 15 out and we have a chance against anyone … agree with the poster above about corner backs .. surely Ronan Boyle should be called in. Grimes too. What about dean Connolly and Eddie Walsh for Kilanny? Slevin from Latton? Eccles ? We have a lot of young good players out there.

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 745 - 18/03/2024 10:25:14    2531877

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Replying To seanie08:  "Most monaghan Tyrone matches of last 20 years usually follow exact same pattern. Tyrone grab early lead monaghan usually average for first half then the big rally in second half but usually run out of gas and Tyrone pick them off. Same story other night. Some rebuild job ahead. Mccarron and mcmanus still the main men up front. For whatever reason injuries inexperience bad luck etc we haven't developed any alternative inside men at this level at the right age . Had high hopes for Sean Jones but just seemed cursed by injuries. Saw no league time at all. Canavan was a class apart the other night for Tyrone."
Pretty accurate. Injuries haven't helped also in the league but we have been abject defensively, getting cut open at will.And mentally again, we blew it the other night, poor composure again which hinders us in these big games time and time again. Tyrone were there for the taking and we made bad descions. Division 2 will be tough games, so I wouldn't say its a formality to go back up. What constitutes a good championship now? Beat cavan and go to QFs? Hard to see monaghan winning ulster imo. Vinnie is the right man but the team needs a steady transition and this league would indicate, we haven't found to many players so it will take time and patience.

222 (UK) - Posts: 844 - 18/03/2024 11:31:06    2531887

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Injuries (primarily) and absentees below our chances of staying in Div 1. Some positions we are thin in terms of depth. Seen previous posts about R Boyle and Grimes who both have had a good 12 months. Whatever their reasons for not opting in, you'd hope they opt in next year as there will be another wave of retirees in 2025. Midfield is another area of concern. Big McCarville is just too passive - look at the difference Mohan makes - he plays with aggression and drive. Maybe Kearns will be back next year? Who knows if Gallagher will be back, doesn't look likely at the moment, but you never know. We'd have to see how Eccles performs at senior club level this year, even though he was a very good minor and good at U21 level. O'Hanlon, McAnespie and Jones's injuries have had a big impact this season.

On the Tyrone game itself - the first half was dire. Turnovers, mostly unforced killed Monaghan. Some from the newcomers, some from senior players - poor passes, bad decision making. It was the same story against Roscommon. O'Toole's black card was extremely harsh, nearly as bad as Wood's against Galway. O'Toole is a good footballer but at corner back he looks like a square peg in a round hole.

Small moments in the end made the difference. McCarron (2nd half) and Bannigan (1st half) hit the post from close in and both should have scored. Garland's miss was particularly bad. I've seen Garland score far more difficult efforts and you'd wonder if he has a mental block for playing at senior level. He's had a lot of chances over the year and this seems like last chance saloon for him.

Despite the relegation, McNulty, Mooney, Hamill and Irwin all got significant game time this year and it will stand to them next year. We'll need another 4 to 5 players blooded next year. It'll be interesting who shows up well at U20 and club level during the year

sleater (Monaghan) - Posts: 178 - 18/03/2024 12:14:14    2531899

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "What did you think of your own county's performance against Armagh ?"
If I was a Cavan man I would be saying how many all Irelands has Monaghan won? You could wise up ABIT

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 611 - 18/03/2024 19:25:37    2531986

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "You're some boy if you think Boyle didn't jump before he was pushed. Look what Costello did to him last year and what Derry did to him the year before.

Ronan Boyle from Truagh, fantastic defender 1v1, he'd be a far better option than Wylie these days"
Ridiculous and very harsh on Boyle.
Top player who would start all day if he was available.

We have had a few lads put hands up through a hard league.
Hamil
Irwin
Mooney
Mc Nulty

Not saying they will start and are superstars but they have not done themselves or monaghan any harm.

farneygael (Monaghan) - Posts: 300 - 18/03/2024 23:17:49    2532027

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Replying To Bernardo:  "If I was a Cavan man I would be saying how many all Irelands has Monaghan won? You could wise up ABIT"
There you go again and just proved your a cavan man Lol

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 406 - 18/03/2024 23:33:37    2532030

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Replying To sleater:  "Injuries (primarily) and absentees below our chances of staying in Div 1. Some positions we are thin in terms of depth. Seen previous posts about R Boyle and Grimes who both have had a good 12 months. Whatever their reasons for not opting in, you'd hope they opt in next year as there will be another wave of retirees in 2025. Midfield is another area of concern. Big McCarville is just too passive - look at the difference Mohan makes - he plays with aggression and drive. Maybe Kearns will be back next year? Who knows if Gallagher will be back, doesn't look likely at the moment, but you never know. We'd have to see how Eccles performs at senior club level this year, even though he was a very good minor and good at U21 level. O'Hanlon, McAnespie and Jones's injuries have had a big impact this season.

On the Tyrone game itself - the first half was dire. Turnovers, mostly unforced killed Monaghan. Some from the newcomers, some from senior players - poor passes, bad decision making. It was the same story against Roscommon. O'Toole's black card was extremely harsh, nearly as bad as Wood's against Galway. O'Toole is a good footballer but at corner back he looks like a square peg in a round hole.

Small moments in the end made the difference. McCarron (2nd half) and Bannigan (1st half) hit the post from close in and both should have scored. Garland's miss was particularly bad. I've seen Garland score far more difficult efforts and you'd wonder if he has a mental block for playing at senior level. He's had a lot of chances over the year and this seems like last chance saloon for him.

Despite the relegation, McNulty, Mooney, Hamill and Irwin all got significant game time this year and it will stand to them next year. We'll need another 4 to 5 players blooded next year. It'll be interesting who shows up well at U20 and club level during the year"
Garland will score 99 out of 100 of those...he was just on the pitch, maybe a little cold - likely hadn't kicked a ball since pre-match warm up so Ill give him the benefit of the doubt.

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 220 - 19/03/2024 09:00:32    2532057

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The reason Monaghan went down is because we lost our most vital player for the last 10 years and then didn't adapt our game to suit. if we don't concede 5 of those 13 goals we would have stayed up. we should have played more cautious in some of these games.

The Dublin game gave us false hope to play open football and we paid the price for the rest of the league. a bit of balance in play would have solved this.

This is a positive though if we can adjust in time for championship we will give it a good rattle.

muckla (UK) - Posts: 370 - 19/03/2024 13:48:36    2532141

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "Garland will score 99 out of 100 of those...he was just on the pitch, maybe a little cold - likely hadn't kicked a ball since pre-match warm up so Ill give him the benefit of the doubt."
Doesn't matter.. he missed it. It's inter county football.. not much time for missing

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 745 - 19/03/2024 16:14:00    2532188

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Doesn't matter.. he missed it. It's inter county football.. not much time for missing"
Good man, you're back. Any sign of those fixtures yet?

It's not very often I agree with you, but you simply can't afford to be missing those chances in county senior football. Conditions were poor, but they should still go over.

Over the course of the league, Rory's absence was felt the most, his kick outs, his organisational skills at the back, and the extra killer instinct going forward.

BrehonBlonde (Monaghan) - Posts: 111 - 19/03/2024 16:40:50    2532199

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Doesn't matter.. he missed it. It's inter county football.. not much time for missing"
So if he scores his next 99 marks you'll still be dwelling on one miss on a rainy night in omagh in a league game? Of course it was scorable and I don't like clutching at straws but all I'm saying is give the guy a break... I've seen mansy, Dean rock and cillian O'connor all miss scorable frees...BTW it wasn't a tap over from my vantage point

I really think garland will come out of his shell this year. Here's hoping anyway because he's a great footballer.

Back to the broad picture. Division 2 is no harm. Maybe the lads need to re-earn their status and respect as a division 1 team because lord knows nobody gave us much respect in the last few years. Continuously favoured to drop. I believe we could well be favoured to go up again next year which has a hypocritical tone to it.

That's provided any more key players don't opt out

One more good training game now against mayo and then cavan awaits... Hungry to bate us and the feeling is mutual.
Hon

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 220 - 19/03/2024 18:50:49    2532222

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "So if he scores his next 99 marks you'll still be dwelling on one miss on a rainy night in omagh in a league game? Of course it was scorable and I don't like clutching at straws but all I'm saying is give the guy a break... I've seen mansy, Dean rock and cillian O'connor all miss scorable frees...BTW it wasn't a tap over from my vantage point

I really think garland will come out of his shell this year. Here's hoping anyway because he's a great footballer.

Back to the broad picture. Division 2 is no harm. Maybe the lads need to re-earn their status and respect as a division 1 team because lord knows nobody gave us much respect in the last few years. Continuously favoured to drop. I believe we could well be favoured to go up again next year which has a hypocritical tone to it.

That's provided any more key players don't opt out

One more good training game now against mayo and then cavan awaits... Hungry to bate us and the feeling is mutual.
Hon"
Unfortunately it has never worked for him at county level. Savage player for Donaghmoyne and DCU/UCD.
Unfortunately it was a very easy free that he would kick 100 times in a row in the Donaghmoyne jersey. He seems uptight and maybe pressure gets to him when he pulls on the county jersey. At 26/27 he has to be nailing his spot down now or it will never happen for him. At the end of the day he is giving a serious commitment to play for Monaghan which means I will never knock a player's commitment.
The coughing up of possession in the first half had more of an impact on Monaghan losing the game than Garland missing a shot at goal.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 19/03/2024 20:27:21    2532239

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Doesn't matter.. he missed it. It's inter county football.. not much time for missing"
Says the man that never kicked a ball for his county

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 199 - 19/03/2024 23:16:16    2532266

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "Unfortunately it has never worked for him at county level. Savage player for Donaghmoyne and DCU/UCD.
Unfortunately it was a very easy free that he would kick 100 times in a row in the Donaghmoyne jersey. He seems uptight and maybe pressure gets to him when he pulls on the county jersey. At 26/27 he has to be nailing his spot down now or it will never happen for him. At the end of the day he is giving a serious commitment to play for Monaghan which means I will never knock a player's commitment.
The coughing up of possession in the first half had more of an impact on Monaghan losing the game than Garland missing a shot at goal."
Garland actually played in early stages of 2018 league six years ago and was kicking points against likes of mayo. He wouldn't have put as much pressure on himself back then as now given he is a bit older. Just needs a few scores in a big game to kick on as talent clearly there. Monaghan definitely need likes of him and younger forwards to kick on as once mcmanus and Jack in another few years goes there is a definite lack of options in the inside line for a proven 5/6 pts man a match.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 20/03/2024 08:00:51    2532281

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "So if he scores his next 99 marks you'll still be dwelling on one miss on a rainy night in omagh in a league game? Of course it was scorable and I don't like clutching at straws but all I'm saying is give the guy a break... I've seen mansy, Dean rock and cillian O'connor all miss scorable frees...BTW it wasn't a tap over from my vantage point

I really think garland will come out of his shell this year. Here's hoping anyway because he's a great footballer.

Back to the broad picture. Division 2 is no harm. Maybe the lads need to re-earn their status and respect as a division 1 team because lord knows nobody gave us much respect in the last few years. Continuously favoured to drop. I believe we could well be favoured to go up again next year which has a hypocritical tone to it.

That's provided any more key players don't opt out

One more good training game now against mayo and then cavan awaits... Hungry to bate us and the feeling is mutual.
Hon"
We have been waiting 7 years for him to come our do his shell…. He had a league campaign to do it …

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 745 - 20/03/2024 14:42:38    2532338

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Replying To seanie08:  "Garland actually played in early stages of 2018 league six years ago and was kicking points against likes of mayo. He wouldn't have put as much pressure on himself back then as now given he is a bit older. Just needs a few scores in a big game to kick on as talent clearly there. Monaghan definitely need likes of him and younger forwards to kick on as once mcmanus and Jack in another few years goes there is a definite lack of options in the inside line for a proven 5/6 pts man a match."
Did you dream that ?

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 745 - 20/03/2024 14:44:30    2532339

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "Says the man that never kicked a ball for his county"
I'm still entitled to my opinion. He missed a handy free end of.

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 745 - 20/03/2024 14:45:13    2532340

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