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Replying To Overthebar53: "You're making 2 different proposals. Eire og go dual.askea, blues and CHC merge and trying to equate that with a town with 1 hurling and 1 football club deciding to basically change their name. You have the temerity to pretend there is an equivalence here. Gimme a break." Agreed Sligojoe (Mayo) - Posts: 12 - 28/08/2024 11:24:44 2567324 Link
Replying To Overthebar53: "You're making 2 different proposals. Eire og go dual.askea, blues and CHC merge and trying to equate that with a town with 1 hurling and 1 football club deciding to basically change their name. You have the temerity to pretend there is an equivalence here. Gimme a break." Okay then. Compare it to Borris, Ballymurphy and Rathanna. That was also two football clubs and a hurling club merging. Look at the success they have had since. My main point here is that hurling in Carlow town is struggling under the current setup, where you have one poor intermediate hurling club feeding off five competing football teams. Carlow Town Hurling Club has no real identity, because almost all its members have (sometimes bitterly) opposing football loyalties. Thus, some sort of radical solution is needed. Such as the two struggling football clubs merging with the struggling hurling club. Very open to other ideas, if you have them. Or you don't do constructive thought? CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 687 - 28/08/2024 11:42:51 2567335 Link
Replying To Sligojoe: "Agreed" That make me laugh out loud. SligoJoe, from Mayo. No doubt an expert on Carlow GAA, and its local demographics. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 687 - 28/08/2024 11:43:47 2567336 Link
Replying To OldSchoolRules: "Heard this morning on the grapevine who the new Carlow football manager is. It's going to be a disaster, sorry folks. Looking in from the outside, seemed like ye really needed a Carlow man over the team. Carlow deserves better." https://x.com/offtheball/status/1828394531815072033 This is a bit mad I'm afraid Carlow friends. Basically: Co chairman asks outgoing manager Niall Carew to ring around a few mates to see would anyone take the Carlow senior football manager job. Carew rings around, gets to Shane Curran. Would you take it Shane? Carew tells Carlow chairman to ring Curran. Carlow chairman rings Shane Curran. Begs him to take Carlow job. So enthusiastic. Shane says yes. I'm not a Carlow man, but I think this is no way to conduct the manager search for the biggest (along with senior hurling) job in your county or any county. Does the board not have a responsibility to advertise the role. Conduct interviews. Do their homework on candidates. Try to find the best manager they can. Instead of getting the outgoing manager (who didn't do great) to ring around his mates. I'd say the brief was purely to find someone who has been on tv or radio, people know the name, and that he's managed a bit. Maybe Curran will be great and maybe he won't, but surely conducting a fair and transparent manager search would have led to getting the best person for the job. OldSchoolRules (Australia) - Posts: 19 - 28/08/2024 12:20:22 2567354 Link
Replying To CARPS: "That make me laugh out loud. SligoJoe, from Mayo. No doubt an expert on Carlow GAA, and its local demographics." You're very quick to denigrate other opinions with such certainty.extraordinary insight I must say. How do you know what knowledge sligojo has wrt carlow, it might even be as insightful as your own.Lol. Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 256 - 28/08/2024 12:43:38 2567355 Link
Replying To CARPS: "Okay then. Compare it to Borris, Ballymurphy and Rathanna. That was also two football clubs and a hurling club merging. Look at the success they have had since. My main point here is that hurling in Carlow town is struggling under the current setup, where you have one poor intermediate hurling club feeding off five competing football teams. Carlow Town Hurling Club has no real identity, because almost all its members have (sometimes bitterly) opposing football loyalties. Thus, some sort of radical solution is needed. Such as the two struggling football clubs merging with the struggling hurling club. Very open to other ideas, if you have them. Or you don't do constructive thought?" Your original comparison was banal and you can't or won't admit it so you've segued to another example. You forgot to add that St.mullins played with Ballymurphy but the example is more apt. However, as i pointed out in a previous post, Eire og and a certain very prominent member who has paid lip service to the idea over the years has done absolutely nothing practical to promote same and until that changes your proposal is pie in the sky. Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 256 - 28/08/2024 12:56:13 2567359 Link
Replying To Overthebar53: "You're very quick to denigrate other opinions with such certainty.extraordinary insight I must say. How do you know what knowledge sligojo has wrt carlow, it might even be as insightful as your own.Lol." Your post is unreadable, sorry. My LOL was at the fact that you appear to have a second account, where you're in Mayo. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 687 - 28/08/2024 14:31:00 2567378 Link
Replying To Overthebar53: "Your original comparison was banal and you can't or won't admit it so you've segued to another example. You forgot to add that St.mullins played with Ballymurphy but the example is more apt. However, as i pointed out in a previous post, Eire og and a certain very prominent member who has paid lip service to the idea over the years has done absolutely nothing practical to promote same and until that changes your proposal is pie in the sky." I must have missed that post - or can't remember. What has Eire Og paid lip service to? Starting hurling? or something else? I wouldn't know much about what goes on at Teach Asca. Whether my original comparison was banal, or not, is beside the point here. The actual point is that hurling is in dire straits in Carlow town (home to half the county's population) and I'm suggesting ideas to maybe fix that problem. All you're doing is attacking me and shouting me down - while contributing nothing constructive yourself. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 687 - 28/08/2024 15:48:11 2567391 Link
Replying To CARPS: "Your post is unreadable, sorry. My LOL was at the fact that you appear to have a second account, where you're in Mayo." No.your argument is specious. Karma I'd say. Don't start a fight you can't finish. Your reference to another poster just shows traits of paranoia. Best wishes. Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 256 - 28/08/2024 16:03:12 2567400 Link
Replying To CARPS: "I must have missed that post - or can't remember. What has Eire Og paid lip service to? Starting hurling? or something else? I wouldn't know much about what goes on at Teach Asca. Whether my original comparison was banal, or not, is beside the point here. The actual point is that hurling is in dire straits in Carlow town (home to half the county's population) and I'm suggesting ideas to maybe fix that problem. All you're doing is attacking me and shouting me down - while contributing nothing constructive yourself." You are something else.You tried to insult me by pretending that you couldn't read my post and then implying that I was posting under a different username. Then you have the gall to suggest that I'm shouting you down. I'm well aware that hurling in carlow town is on it's knee however I'm not so naive to propose ridiculous solutions and then take umbrage when anyone suggests they might not work. Over and out. Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 256 - 28/08/2024 20:23:36 2567436 Link
Replying To Overthebar53: "You are something else.You tried to insult me by pretending that you couldn't read my post and then implying that I was posting under a different username. Then you have the gall to suggest that I'm shouting you down. I'm well aware that hurling in carlow town is on it's knee however I'm not so naive to propose ridiculous solutions and then take umbrage when anyone suggests they might not work. Over and out." So if merging Carlow Town with O'Hanrahans (and maybe Asca) to form a Carlow town GAA dual club is a 'ridiculous solution,' do you have a better one? Come on, be constructive… let's hear your idea(s). CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 687 - 29/08/2024 00:19:26 2567460 Link
Replying To CARPS: "So if merging Carlow Town with O'Hanrahans (and maybe Asca) to form a Carlow town GAA dual club is a 'ridiculous solution,' do you have a better one? Come on, be constructive… let's hear your idea(s)." I don't have a solution. But it's a more complicated situation than youre making it out to be. What will the CTHC players who play for EO/Pal do? Will they have to transfer from one of their clubs? I just don't see it working I actually think carlow town are making big strides at underage and have a very young intermediate team that could get to senior in another couple of years Collio (Carlow) - Posts: 35 - 29/08/2024 12:47:14 2567532 Link
I think there's a simpler solution than forcing mergers of hurling and football clubs. If football clubs don't want to offer hurling at their clubs, then that's fine, but then it should be mandatory that they must form an associated link with a club that offers hurling. In Eire Og's case for example, they would be linked with CTHC, whereby they would have to promote hurling within Eire Og,. Some of the conditions of the associated link could be: - Access to each others facilities, if needed. - Promotional training sessions held at each others club. For example CTHC could hold 1 or 2 introductory sessions a year at all juvenile levels in EO to give kids a chance to pick up a hurl. - Consultation and agreement on dates for matches/training sessions. The benefit of this is that if gives clubs the option to continue as they are, but now having to promote hurling within the club or they can just provide hurling themselves, without having to link with a hurling club. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 29/08/2024 13:41:15 2567541 Link
Replying To TaosHum: "I think there's a simpler solution than forcing mergers of hurling and football clubs. If football clubs don't want to offer hurling at their clubs, then that's fine, but then it should be mandatory that they must form an associated link with a club that offers hurling. In Eire Og's case for example, they would be linked with CTHC, whereby they would have to promote hurling within Eire Og,. Some of the conditions of the associated link could be: - Access to each others facilities, if needed. - Promotional training sessions held at each others club. For example CTHC could hold 1 or 2 introductory sessions a year at all juvenile levels in EO to give kids a chance to pick up a hurl. - Consultation and agreement on dates for matches/training sessions. The benefit of this is that if gives clubs the option to continue as they are, but now having to promote hurling within the club or they can just provide hurling themselves, without having to link with a hurling club." A good suggestion ! Promotion of hurling in Carlow Town Tullow and North of the county is a big issue for all involved in Carlow gaa. Carlow Town hurling club have made strides and have put in a lot of work. It really does need 'heads' being banged together - coming together to talk about the Promotion of both football and hurling. Setanta also putting in good work too. Yes hurling is in bother but football is also in trouble. Yes- a few clubs have decent numbers in football but it's a small fraction of the kids that are actually there. So - yes a proposal from the co board to look at the Promotion of gaelic games with the specific objective of growing numbers needs to happen. All clubs can benefit and that includes the strongest clubs. Discussion between all the clubs with Co Board chairing is I think what is required. The notion of clubs joining up - is a little fanciful I feel. Cooperation is I believe where we need to move to. 7 carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1837 - 30/08/2024 14:38:46 2567680 Link
I've long been a proponent of clubs joining up at juvenile atleast. I think st martins has been a big help to ballon kilbride and the cocks, granted they are all junior but have a steady flow of players coming through now kilbride are probably the poor relations in that regard although that will improve in the years ahead. I think asca and the blues should form a juvenile club between them which would guarantee both a steady stream of players coming through. I know setanta and carlow town are joined up at 16s and 18s I think but setantas problem is they don't have an adult team it's hard to see how they will be viable long term unless they address that Participation is definitely key for both hurling and football and with changing demographics recruiting young players will become harder and harder. Split season is killing football. The standard of games I have seen has been diabolical it's may since these teams have had a competitive game. Like last year everyone looks rusty Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1637 - 30/08/2024 22:59:41 2567734 Link
2 decent games tonight. Eire og lost both by 1 point. Could easily have won both. Pal played some lovely football,their attacking play was very pacey,they need to improve their finishing Eire og more measured in their build up but alao very sloppy finishing cost them on the night. Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 256 - 31/08/2024 00:27:24 2567736 Link
First message on here, in relation to hurling in the Carlow Town area that problem began about 20 years ago, little to no underage hurling in the area until about 5/6 years ago (they seem to have gotten their act together since) is to blame, as always though in this county we're to slow to everything and we'll wait until other counties have practices in place for 10 years before we implement it, our current split season makes no difference to our inter county chances in either code in the short term, it definitely harms the hurling county champions in any bid for Leinster imo, teams generally play themselves into form for the club championships but Mullins will now be on a lengthy break and will struggle to get good friendlies in as everyone else is playing championship. Investing in underage, schools, and getting good quality coaches are the only way forward, might be 15 years before you see the results but unfortunately it's the only true recipe for long term sustainability. Every club should definitely have dual teams or at least promote joining an area team (example Carlow Town) until u14 at least, skill acquisition at those ages will benefit both codes anyway, if you can pick up hurling you'll be a perfectly capable footballer. CRTW (Carlow) - Posts: 7 - 31/08/2024 09:52:39 2567776 Link
Replying To CRTW: "First message on here, in relation to hurling in the Carlow Town area that problem began about 20 years ago, little to no underage hurling in the area until about 5/6 years ago (they seem to have gotten their act together since) is to blame, as always though in this county we're to slow to everything and we'll wait until other counties have practices in place for 10 years before we implement it, our current split season makes no difference to our inter county chances in either code in the short term, it definitely harms the hurling county champions in any bid for Leinster imo, teams generally play themselves into form for the club championships but Mullins will now be on a lengthy break and will struggle to get good friendlies in as everyone else is playing championship. Investing in underage, schools, and getting good quality coaches are the only way forward, might be 15 years before you see the results but unfortunately it's the only true recipe for long term sustainability. Every club should definitely have dual teams or at least promote joining an area team (example Carlow Town) until u14 at least, skill acquisition at those ages will benefit both codes anyway, if you can pick up hurling you'll be a perfectly capable footballer." Your last sentence is so true... if you can hurl then you can play football. However - if you play football - that does not mean you can hurl. To be a decent hurler takes a lot more time and skill acquisition at a young age is crucial to being a decent hurler. And it's about repetition as well. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1837 - 31/08/2024 15:54:05 2567794 Link
Replying To carlowman: "Your last sentence is so true... if you can hurl then you can play football. However - if you play football - that does not mean you can hurl. To be a decent hurler takes a lot more time and skill acquisition at a young age is crucial to being a decent hurler. And it's about repetition as well." I disagree that "of you can hurl you can play football" it's certainly possible but not without a couple of years training and experience, there's levels to it, a good hurler with no football background could fill in a team as a player who just tackles and hand passes but any side with too many of those players won't win much. As I said there's levels to it, guys who haven't much experience will generally make poor decisions and give away clumsy frees. That said I'm all for lads playing both codes the more the merrier. Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 140 - 01/09/2024 11:59:35 2567855 Link
Disappointing nobody on here recognised the Carlow u15 football team beating Longford in the Humphrey Kelliher millstreet cup on Saturday morning, but very quick to knock the system a couple of days ago..... JohnnyDaggss81 (Wicklow) - Posts: 6 - 04/09/2024 12:37:37 2568395 Link