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Replying To gunman: "I heard McGuinness say in an interview weeks before Christmas that he intended to bring talented young players into the setup.Murphy and McBrearty were in as 17 teen year olds.Roarty and Senan Carr from last years minors were brought in and both started the game against Armagh.They were obviously unaware that Roarty was underage.They probably thought that playing them against an Under 20 team would be a good opportunity for them the age group that they will be playing against this year anyway.There was no stroke being pulled as there was no advantage to be gained by playing them.Carr was not played against a more seasoned Tyrone team.Technically a rule was broken and whose job it was to know about it and Roarty's age I don't know but an 8 week ban and points deduction would be a big penalty for much greater indiscretions .After all there was no advantage to be gained or welfare issues ignored due to the age of the opposition.All this must be taken in to account." Whos job was it to know about the players age? Ha obvs it was the managers job to know.. He obviously knew what he was doing rule is a rule and he should suffer the consequences. If Mcguiness didn't know the age of the player well he's not great at his job then is he? It's actually laughable that you lot think people from other counties are just worried or jealous of ye and Mcguiness hardly at all merely pointing out rules are rules and just deal with it pretty stupid of Mcguiness and donegal tbh. S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 101 - 11/01/2024 14:46:04 2519630 Link
Replying To SurelyToGod: " Replying To Commodore: "I'm not sure why there is endless debate on this, Was a rule broken? Yes Is the initial punishment harsh? Yes, most would think a 8 week ban is harsh given the specific circumstances in that it was pre-season against an U20 Armagh team. Jim confirmed in an interview after the Armagh game that Roarty and others would be with the U20 squad this season, I honestly don't think this mistake was intentional, it was an oversight during pre-season and while they did break a rule, given the circumstances the punishment shouldn't be that tough." They broke a rule clear as day, and not only that, McGuinness publically signalled intent to file an appeal before any suspension was handed out. If he had kept his mouth shut he may have gotten less." Exactly what I thought at the time. Why was he mentioning an appeal before a ruling had been made? An incredibly silly thing to do, almost as silly as playing a 17 year old who has yet to play for his club. I'm a big McGuinness fan and I do hope/think he'll do a good job again but this episode was very silly all round, there's no getting away from it. People (and Donegal media) should stop blaming the rules, the Ulster Council, the suspension. McGuinness has messed up here and should just suck it up and move on and we all need to do likewise. PeterQ92 (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 11/01/2024 15:21:14 2519643 Link
Replying To S1234: "Whos job was it to know about the players age? Ha obvs it was the managers job to know.. He obviously knew what he was doing rule is a rule and he should suffer the consequences. If Mcguiness didn't know the age of the player well he's not great at his job then is he? It's actually laughable that you lot think people from other counties are just worried or jealous of ye and Mcguiness hardly at all merely pointing out rules are rules and just deal with it pretty stupid of Mcguiness and donegal tbh." He's still a lot better at his job than any manager you've had since 1951! Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 257 - 11/01/2024 15:25:53 2519646 Link
Replying To S1234: "Whos job was it to know about the players age? Ha obvs it was the managers job to know.. He obviously knew what he was doing rule is a rule and he should suffer the consequences. If Mcguiness didn't know the age of the player well he's not great at his job then is he? It's actually laughable that you lot think people from other counties are just worried or jealous of ye and Mcguiness hardly at all merely pointing out rules are rules and just deal with it pretty stupid of Mcguiness and donegal tbh." Oh yes because in the GAA the rules are set in stone, black and white, and are never challenged. Every time a rule is broken and punished, everyone fully admits their wrongdoing, accepts their punishment and promises never to be bold again. Again - we accept that a rule was broken and some form of punishment is due. But an 8 week ban is so over the top. But as soon as this story reached national attention, and because Jim McGuinness was involved, everyone suddenly thinks the GAA rulebook is somehow bulletproof? Question - if this was a young player from Carlow, would you be on their thread losing your **? Lockjaw (Donegal)** - Posts: 9458 - 11/01/2024 15:38:06 2519652 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Oh yes because in the GAA the rules are set in stone, black and white, and are never challenged. Every time a rule is broken and punished, everyone fully admits their wrongdoing, accepts their punishment and promises never to be bold again. Again - we accept that a rule was broken and some form of punishment is due. But an 8 week ban is so over the top. But as soon as this story reached national attention, and because Jim McGuinness was involved, everyone suddenly thinks the GAA rulebook is somehow bulletproof? Question - if this was a young player from Carlow, would you be on their thread losing your **?" I think he's really just trying to distract himself from the fact his own county was beaten at home by a lowly division 4 team at the weekend. peiledoir20 (Donegal)** - Posts: 966 - 11/01/2024 16:14:56 2519660 Link
Replying To peiledoir20: "I think he's really just trying to distract himself from the fact his own county was beaten at home by a lowly division 4 team at the weekend." Honestly couldn't give a crap that we lost better off out of a nothing FBD competition. I've nothing against donegal or Mcguiness merely pointing out that rules are rules. Yeah I would be saying the same thing if it happened to carlow or any other county as would ye lot if it had been ourselves if we were the ones to be silly enough to break the rule in the first place ha. S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 101 - 11/01/2024 17:19:07 2519670 Link
Replying To PeterQ92: " Replying To SurelyToGod: "[quote=Commodore: "I'm not sure why there is endless debate on this, Was a rule broken? Yes Is the initial punishment harsh? Yes, most would think a 8 week ban is harsh given the specific circumstances in that it was pre-season against an U20 Armagh team. Jim confirmed in an interview after the Armagh game that Roarty and others would be with the U20 squad this season, I honestly don't think this mistake was intentional, it was an oversight during pre-season and while they did break a rule, given the circumstances the punishment shouldn't be that tough." They broke a rule clear as day, and not only that, McGuinness publically signalled intent to file an appeal before any suspension was handed out. If he had kept his mouth shut he may have gotten less." Exactly what I thought at the time. Why was he mentioning an appeal before a ruling had been made? An incredibly strange thing to do, almost as strange as playing a 17 year old who has yet to play for his club. I'm a big McGuinness fan and I do hope/think he'll do a good job again but this episode was very silly all round, there's no getting away from it. People (and Donegal media) should stop blaming the rules, the Ulster Council, the suspension. McGuinness has messed up here and should just suck it up and move on and we all need to do likewise."]Exactly it's getting a bit boring now. Rules are definitely broken here. One n Conal poster blaming the secretary and not mc Guinness for the mistake her job is to write the team mc Guinness gave her and not investigate the age of every player. In my mind Jim didn't know the rule and it was an unintentional error but move on now, good game for us Sunday now against our bokey team. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2538 - 11/01/2024 17:35:28 2519673 Link
Replying To peiledoir20: "I think he's really just trying to distract himself from the fact his own county was beaten at home by a lowly division 4 team at the weekend." Ah come on now you can do better than that, what age are you rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2538 - 11/01/2024 17:39:00 2519674 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Oh yes because in the GAA the rules are set in stone, black and white, and are never challenged. Every time a rule is broken and punished, everyone fully admits their wrongdoing, accepts their punishment and promises never to be bold again. Again - we accept that a rule was broken and some form of punishment is due. But an 8 week ban is so over the top. But as soon as this story reached national attention, and because Jim McGuinness was involved, everyone suddenly thinks the GAA rulebook is somehow bulletproof? Question - if this was a young player from Carlow, would you be on their thread losing your **?" Very, very well put. Be careful though, there will be some lad on soon from Sligo or Roscommon telling you that you don't know the rules or what you're talking about, because how dare you question the severity of the punishment … GAA rules are broken or challenged constantly, so for the angry rulebook supremos on this thread to be so black and white as you say, so virtuous about a misdemeanour that gained no actual advantage at all, is laughable. In a 12 months were the club All Ireland winners had 16 men on the field and the GAA did nothing. Now, if Jim was in charge of Kilmacud.. Donegal_abroad (Donegal)** - Posts: 1379 - 11/01/2024 18:03:33 2519680 Link
Obviously there was going to be some form of punishment but it's too severe is what people are saying. - Forfitting points earned from the win. - 2 week ban for the player. (What difference does this make when he cant play for the whole year.) - Fine - 8 week ban for the manager. Missing the next 2 games of the Mckenna Cup + 5 games from the upcoming league. - Manager not allowed near the team even for training for 2 full months of the year. I think giving up the points,and the fine are acceptable, maybe even miss the remaining games of that compitition where the rule was broken but a 2 months ban for Mcguinness which is ridiculous. Way over the top, it's not as if they gained an advantage by playing him, he was only there for experience as he must be a good prospect. But if that's the precedent set now, ask yourselfs if that's a fair punishment for your own county manager going forward if they played by a mistake a player born 4 days too late, in a meaningless glorified pre season friendly. Not one person gives a damn about the Mckenna Cup. It's only used to give new players an opportunity or to build up some match fitness. FootballGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 253 - 11/01/2024 18:10:47 2519681 Link
Things looking up for Donegal. I've heard a lot of people saying we don't have enough scoring forwards / inside forwards. I'm not convinced McBrearty will reach the levels he had a few years back. Hopefully McGuinness can help the likes of Jamie Brennan and Niall O'Donnel to rediscover form. I wonder could he turn one of our outfield players into an inside forward to play alongside Gallen high up the pitch. The likes of Mogan and Conor O'Donnel have an eye for goal, maybe could spend more time high up the pitch. Not sure Aaron Doherty or Luke McGlynn have shown enough to get a starting spot. McGuinness seems to be wanting to leave forwards in their positions at least sometimes, so the question is who should stay there.... Probably more likely is both McBrearty and Gallen play near the square as targets and the likes of Mogan, Shane O'Donnell, Conor O'donnell make runs from deep. High_and_wide (Donegal) - Posts: 83 - 11/01/2024 21:23:58 2519705 Link
Some big appointments on the club scene. Gary McDaid back in charge of Glenswilly where he has been involved in 3 championship wins with them. Won the u18 A and finalists in u21 A last season. Loads of talent coming through and will be hoping to win another championship. Martin McHugh taking over Kilcar with a coach from the north on his back room team to head up the coaching. Declan Gallagher a role as well. Going to be an interesting year. Could McHugh and McDaid be eyeing up a return to county football? ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 745 - 11/01/2024 21:43:26 2519709 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: " Replying To Lockjaw: "[quote=Commodore: "I'm not sure why there is endless debate on this, Was a rule broken? Yes Is the initial punishment harsh? Yes, most would think a 8 week ban is harsh given the specific circumstances in that it was pre-season against an U20 Armagh team. Jim confirmed in an interview after the Armagh game that Roarty and others would be with the U20 squad this season, I honestly don't think this mistake was intentional, it was an oversight during pre-season and while they did break a rule, given the circumstances the punishment shouldn't be that tough." Exactly. Noone is disputing that a rule was broken but what's up for debate is the severity of the punishment, and also the barely concealed glee that the GAA bogeyman Jim McGuinness is facing a laughable 8 week ban." Its not laughable at all, He broke a rule. Should he be let off scot free to do what ever he wants?? come out of the fog will you. There are not many if any managers who don't know the rules so he knew exactly what he was at if he didnt some one else involved with the team did."]I didn't see anyone saying no punishment should be given, but most Donegal posters and others from various Counties broadly agree that the initial punishment is too severe given the circumstances. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1182 - 12/01/2024 07:47:29 2519735 Link
with the amount of nonsense written on here recently abut Jim McGuinness recent ban, it's clear some people have too much time on their hands. Why not go down to your local GAA clubs and volunteer some of that time greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 551 - 12/01/2024 09:21:51 2519742 Link
As I expected. Jim knew there was a loophole and wins his appeal. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8068 - 12/01/2024 09:34:05 2519745 Link
Laughable. "Following a request by Jim McGuinness to the Ulster Hearings committee, the County secretary has been informed that the alleged infraction was not proven, and that no further disciplinary action is to be taken," Not proven, He either played or he didn't play sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1181 - 12/01/2024 09:38:31 2519748 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "As I expected. Jim knew there was a loophole and wins his appeal." Thank God common sense prevailed. The 8 weeks suspension was ridiculous in the 1st place. Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 402 - 12/01/2024 09:44:32 2519749 Link
Jim has been drafted in but that will not help Donegal. Wicklow will replace ye in Division 2 next year. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2911 - 12/01/2024 09:55:23 2519753 Link
I think most people are happy that the ban has been overturned. I always felt that the blame was the secretary. They put their name to the team sheet not the manager. It will just keep the pot bubbling nicely for hopefully some cracking games ahead. eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1870 - 12/01/2024 09:56:39 2519754 Link
Replying To sourmilk93: "Laughable. "Following a request by Jim McGuinness to the Ulster Hearings committee, the County secretary has been informed that the alleged infraction was not proven, and that no further disciplinary action is to be taken," Not proven, He either played or he didn't play" Jimmy's winning appeals now as well. Is there anything this man can't do?? What will the Sligo/Monaghan/Roscommon/Mayo cancel club do now to pass their time? peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 966 - 12/01/2024 10:02:26 2519758 Link