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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Unfortunately the alternatives are either not there or not able to commit. Newman and Shane Walsh being out curtailed the free taking problem but still. All the preparation and detail that goes into this team and we end up with a second choice goalkeeper not up to it having to be replaced at half time by an outfield player to mearly just kick the ball out! And the goalkeeping coach having to fill in as sub keeper on the day another calamity."
I am fed up saying it. As a Summerhill supporter Robbie Burlingham is by far the best keeper in Meath. Monster shot stopper, great in the air and his kickouts are very good. Why on why are we not using him for Meath. Pulled off tonne of brilliant saves the other night in Feis cup against us. its seems with Meath we want to overlook the obvious.

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 26/01/2020 18:16:27    2262562

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "I am fed up saying it. As a Summerhill supporter Robbie Burlingham is by far the best keeper in Meath. Monster shot stopper, great in the air and his kickouts are very good. Why on why are we not using him for Meath. Pulled off tonne of brilliant saves the other night in Feis cup against us. its seems with Meath we want to overlook the obvious."
I know, he's best in county along with O'Rourke. . Presumably he doesn't want to be involved? It's what's been said on here many times I recall. Maybe Simonstown lads could enlightened us.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 26/01/2020 19:12:36    2262586

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "I am fed up saying it. As a Summerhill supporter Robbie Burlingham is by far the best keeper in Meath. Monster shot stopper, great in the air and his kickouts are very good. Why on why are we not using him for Meath. Pulled off tonne of brilliant saves the other night in Feis cup against us. its seems with Meath we want to overlook the obvious."
Shot stopping is not the problem with any of our keepers, and it isn't at the top of list anymore. Your goalkeeper now has to have laser like kick outs and be completely comfortable and confident on the ball, the same as every outfield player. Burlingham has neither of those, nor does Yorke or Andy Colgan. The goalkeeper has to be another outfield player now essentially, not someone who stands in a gap and trys to block shots. It's all about kickouts and being and option on the ball for a pass. I don't know if there are any goalkeepers like that in Meath at the minute. Also I wonder how all the people who abused Paddy O'Rourke and Andy Colgan are this evening?

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 26/01/2020 19:19:46    2262591

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Maybe people might believe me now regarding Dominic Yorke. Felt very sorry for him there today as he is just not up to it and it was the right decision to take him off at half time as his confidence was shot and was costing, or nearly costing us, scores. The goalkeeper and free taking situation is a mess and needs urgent attention before Meath go any further."
I this a wind up ? . I understand Colgan got injured during the warm. If Yorke was NOT injured this has to one of the worst tactical decisions I have ever seen in my time watching Meath. Junior B stuff, Yorke might not have been playing great, But Daris cost us the game. And I am NOT blaming Daris he is not a goal keeper. So us why was there baring some sort of injury to our Yorke was in in goal ? Players deserve better than this messing.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1265 - 26/01/2020 19:38:00    2262607

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I this a wind up ? . I understand Colgan got injured during the warm. If Yorke was NOT injured this has to one of the worst tactical decisions I have ever seen in my time watching Meath. Junior B stuff, Yorke might not have been playing great, But Daris cost us the game. And I am NOT blaming Daris he is not a goal keeper. So us why was there baring some sort of injury to our Yorke was in in goal ? Players deserve better than this messing."
Ah now Tyrone had a poor team out today and we still could not beat them. We pulled mcnamee out of full back in opening half and caused them problems and got the goal. But Tyrone copt that fairly quick and we are very one dimensional up front after that. Tyrone dont have great forwards without Harte, Donnelly or McShane but we have very average forwards. Tactic seem to be run hard at the defender and try and get past him , only problem with that was when they run into a 2nd defender , we had no other plan.

We are lightweigh up front and we are going to see that in this National League. We are making progress defensively but we are not at the races forwards wise.

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 26/01/2020 20:06:42    2262619

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I this a wind up ? . I understand Colgan got injured during the warm. If Yorke was NOT injured this has to one of the worst tactical decisions I have ever seen in my time watching Meath. Junior B stuff, Yorke might not have been playing great, But Daris cost us the game. And I am NOT blaming Daris he is not a goal keeper. So us why was there baring some sort of injury to our Yorke was in in goal ? Players deserve better than this messing."
Looked a bit like junior b alright but replacement may have been forced . Hope our goalkeeper was in fact injured and unable to restart ( I think this was the reason he was replaced ) other than that its division 4 stuff .
On the positive side we stayed with time for a decent amount of time . Did we really expect to win against a true div 1 outfit ....? We will get better as the league goes on
Keep the faith

noluso (Meath) - Posts: 166 - 26/01/2020 20:16:17    2262624

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Just home after a 312 km round trip. Very disappointing , let's be honest we are decimated by injuries, I'd say well over half the starting team today wouldn't get on the bench if all fully fit. We never looked like winning the game, and when Tyrone went full on defensive in second half we ran around like headless chickens.
We missed someone to put a bit of oumph into the game. Dare I say .... we badly missed graham Reilly.
Anyway onwards and hopefully upwards

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/01/2020 20:17:21    2262626

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I this a wind up ? . I understand Colgan got injured during the warm. If Yorke was NOT injured this has to one of the worst tactical decisions I have ever seen in my time watching Meath. Junior B stuff, Yorke might not have been playing great, But Daris cost us the game. And I am NOT blaming Daris he is not a goal keeper. So us why was there baring some sort of injury to our Yorke was in in goal ? Players deserve better than this messing."
I'm not buying into Dardis cost us the game .Our lack of a kick out strategy has haunted us for 2 years now and no sign of a solution . However the complete lack of players taking responsibility and showing for the ball is mind boggling . Felt for Dardis and think he may actually leave panel if that's how Andy wants to use one of our best club forwards . He looked disillusioned on the field today .
Thought full back line did well today.
Half back line was ok. Think Donal may prefer a central role and James McEntee needs to learn that passing the ball is also an option and doesn't always have to take it into the tackle .
Midfield was poor and shoild of done much better under the high balls .
Half forward line was workman like but lack the strength to push forward and trouble the top defenders. Brian McMahon is not an inter county centre forward. Corner forward Yes where he can use his pace .
Full forward line was starved of possession but those 2 goal chances in first 5 mins should of been scored . Different game then !
We also need to sort out our free taking and maybe Walsh was the plan but to see McMahon taking a free in the first half that the whole ground knew was outside his range was clueless and shouldn't happen at this level .
Then we call Dardis up to kick a '45 and
just as he is about to arrive we go short .
Still Omagh is a hard place to go and
we need to regroup for Donegal next week and have a plan for dealing with Murphy and not let him boss us around Parc Tailteann .
Great to be commenting on a Division 1 game .

royalpad (Meath) - Posts: 46 - 26/01/2020 20:29:20    2262632

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Replying To noluso:  "Looked a bit like junior b alright but replacement may have been forced . Hope our goalkeeper was in fact injured and unable to restart ( I think this was the reason he was replaced ) other than that its division 4 stuff .
On the positive side we stayed with time for a decent amount of time . Did we really expect to win against a true div 1 outfit ....? We will get better as the league goes on
Keep the faith"
Andy Colgan got injured in the warm up. Yorke was taken off because he was having an absolute nightmare with kick outs and was a liability. Dardis did nothing wrong in the second half as he was at least able to get some distance on his kicks, which was a major problem in the first half. It's just a very messy situation that unsettles the entire team as a result. What I would give for Meath to have Niall Morgan in goals, his kicking and composure is only bettered by Cluxton.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 26/01/2020 20:39:25    2262635

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For what it's worth, it was poor management to sub Yorke unless he was injured. Even if playing poorly I think you stick by him, otherwise why bring him into the setup in first place. By taking him off, what's the next step now? Is Yorke dropped from panel? How can he come back now? And what do rest of players make of it, seeing a debutant thrown under the bus to be replaced by an outfield player in a high profile Div 1 match?

Just all very amateurish. We've had 5 months to find a new goalie and then he gets irreparably dumped after 45 mins on his debut.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 26/01/2020 20:58:08    2262651

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Just home after a 312 km round trip. Very disappointing , let's be honest we are decimated by injuries, I'd say well over half the starting team today wouldn't get on the bench if all fully fit. We never looked like winning the game, and when Tyrone went full on defensive in second half we ran around like headless chickens.
We missed someone to put a bit of oumph into the game. Dare I say .... we badly missed graham Reilly.
Anyway onwards and hopefully upwards"
Both teams had good players missing and going by reports we will be missing players for campaign, so have to make the best of what we have. Big difference to me was Tyrone identified their problems before ht and made necessary changes to team but most importantly to their style of play (full on defensive as you called it). I was suprised how open they were in first half but thats what management are there for, see the problem and give the players the tools to rectify things. Cannot believe it came as any surprise to our management when they reverted to type. However no plan to counteract this. Reminded me of some of our games 2017/18. Anyway game is over and Donegal come to Navan with their own injury worries. We live in hope.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2195 - 26/01/2020 21:00:33    2262653

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Andy Colgan got injured in the warm up. Yorke was taken off because he was having an absolute nightmare with kick outs and was a liability. Dardis did nothing wrong in the second half as he was at least able to get some distance on his kicks, which was a major problem in the first half. It's just a very messy situation that unsettles the entire team as a result. What I would give for Meath to have Niall Morgan in goals, his kicking and composure is only bettered by Cluxton."
Brutal game to say the least. Injuries aside that was a total shambles and proof we are nowhere near good enough to compete in div 1. Total collapse in the 2nd half that mod would have been slated for. A Tyrone team that looked very poor should have been for the taking today. Proof today that colgon who was slated is not all that bad tbh finding a man is hard when no one is moving infront of you. The forwards might aswel have gone home at half time silly sideways passing when scores were on that you wouldnt see in an under 16 game. We still cant cope with counter attacking teams which is a big worry. Midfield was not competing either even when we had costelloe jones and menton in the middle cavangh was winning all ball so all we could do was kick short ball out.

SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 180 - 26/01/2020 21:12:12    2262665

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Replying To Crinigan:  "For what it's worth, it was poor management to sub Yorke unless he was injured. Even if playing poorly I think you stick by him, otherwise why bring him into the setup in first place. By taking him off, what's the next step now? Is Yorke dropped from panel? How can he come back now? And what do rest of players make of it, seeing a debutant thrown under the bus to be replaced by an outfield player in a high profile Div 1 match?

Just all very amateurish. We've had 5 months to find a new goalie and then he gets irreparably dumped after 45 mins on his debut."
You must be confusing Gaelic football with another sport as a half in inter county football lasts 35 minutes, not 45 minutes like in soccer. He was playing poorly and was replaced, like can happen to any other player, as goal keeper aren't sacred cows.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 997 - 26/01/2020 21:20:20    2262670

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Just home after a 312 km round trip. Very disappointing , let's be honest we are decimated by injuries, I'd say well over half the starting team today wouldn't get on the bench if all fully fit. We never looked like winning the game, and when Tyrone went full on defensive in second half we ran around like headless chickens.
We missed someone to put a bit of oumph into the game. Dare I say .... we badly missed graham Reilly.
Anyway onwards and hopefully upwards"
Lord Almighty It starts ! Not even going to repeat that name ! You predicted a win as usual ! We never were going to win this game ! Not a prayer ! We would need not 1 injury to be competitive ! Our level is not good enough for division 1 and top 2/4 of Division 2 ! Yoyo team as they say ! We are lambs to the slaughter this year ! Simple as

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1175 - 26/01/2020 21:56:37    2262694

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "I am fed up saying it. As a Summerhill supporter Robbie Burlingham is by far the best keeper in Meath. Monster shot stopper, great in the air and his kickouts are very good. Why on why are we not using him for Meath. Pulled off tonne of brilliant saves the other night in Feis cup against us. its seems with Meath we want to overlook the obvious."
he doesn't want to play so get your facts right

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 26/01/2020 22:03:05    2262697

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Lord Almighty It starts ! Not even going to repeat that name ! You predicted a win as usual ! We never were going to win this game ! Not a prayer ! We would need not 1 injury to be competitive ! Our level is not good enough for division 1 and top 2/4 of Division 2 ! Yoyo team as they say ! We are lambs to the slaughter this year ! Simple as"
Arnt you great you predicted your own county would lose and they did and now your gloating because you got one up on royaldunne, pathetic behaviour. A win for meath today would of been huge but it didn't happen, injuries to key players would always upset a up and coming team like meath more then an established division one and championship team like tyrone and so it proved, we have six games left and as the injuries clear up and if we play to our potential were well capable of picking up the points we need for survival. Let's support the management and players and leave the juvenile behaviour to the playground.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 681 - 26/01/2020 23:25:15    2262733

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McEntee has made many improvements to the Meath senior football team, as defensively we are an extremely solid unit, regardless of which 6 defenders are deployed on any given day.
However, his stubbornness regarding the #1 position is absolutely killing us.
The best goal keepers in Meath IMO are;
1. Conor McHugh
2. Robbie Burlingham
3. Andy Colgan
4. Andrew Beakey
5. Adam McDermott

The lack of a kick out strategy, or midfield options, cost us in Super 8s. It has not been rectified. And will continue to cost us until it is sorted.
How only one of the above keepers is currently on the panel is beyond me.
In order to rectify the problem of Super 8s, Andy has called in Yorke who is clearly nowhere near this standard, and Harry Hogan who is not even a GAA keeper into the panel.
It is an absolute mess of a situation that HAS to be sorted

Anmhi364 (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 27/01/2020 00:03:02    2262740

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Right there's hard opinions going both ways and as per usual the truth is in the middle. We have a crazy amount of injuries. We are missing Gallagher, Lavin, Harnan, Shane McEntee, Devine, Campion, Newman, Lenihan, Walsh. That's both corner backs, our 6, our midfielder, our wing forward, our full forward. We are also missing our 3 first choice free takers. Also people calling for Colgan's head seen why he was listed to start. Colgan isn't great but the options behind him are worse. Last year we said two of the biggest issues were free taking and goalkeeping. I would reserve criticism of the free taking as Walsh, Lenihan and Newman aren't there. As for goalkeeping we are lacking there but I don't see anything Andy can do. People saying Burlingham. He is a good keeper, shot stopping and high balls are good. But his kickouts are probably worse than Colgans. I've seen him with the club and he kicks a few wayward ones every game. Sure he won two Keegans but he was hoofing the ball to a dominant midfield in Nash and O'Rourke. I actually don't think there are any goalkeepers clearly better than Colgan in the county. As for the team as a whole. We are going to struggle if Walsh/Lenihan's injury is going to keep him out a good while we need his free taking. Just a side note O'Connor and Costello can't play under 20's now which is a huge blow to our Leinster chances

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1523 - 27/01/2020 08:09:39    2262762

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Right there's hard opinions going both ways and as per usual the truth is in the middle. We have a crazy amount of injuries. We are missing Gallagher, Lavin, Harnan, Shane McEntee, Devine, Campion, Newman, Lenihan, Walsh. That's both corner backs, our 6, our midfielder, our wing forward, our full forward. We are also missing our 3 first choice free takers. Also people calling for Colgan's head seen why he was listed to start. Colgan isn't great but the options behind him are worse. Last year we said two of the biggest issues were free taking and goalkeeping. I would reserve criticism of the free taking as Walsh, Lenihan and Newman aren't there. As for goalkeeping we are lacking there but I don't see anything Andy can do. People saying Burlingham. He is a good keeper, shot stopping and high balls are good. But his kickouts are probably worse than Colgans. I've seen him with the club and he kicks a few wayward ones every game. Sure he won two Keegans but he was hoofing the ball to a dominant midfield in Nash and O'Rourke. I actually don't think there are any goalkeepers clearly better than Colgan in the county. As for the team as a whole. We are going to struggle if Walsh/Lenihan's injury is going to keep him out a good while we need his free taking. Just a side note O'Connor and Costello can't play under 20's now which is a huge blow to our Leinster chances"
Anyone know the story with lenihans and walshs injuries will they be out for long

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 681 - 27/01/2020 08:55:47    2262770

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Replying To meath1977:  "he doesn't want to play so get your facts right"
He certainly did want to play but Joe Sheridan and later David Gallagher were deemed better goalkeepers at the time. Enough said!!!

Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 27/01/2020 09:31:58    2262781

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