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Dublin Vs Kerry Replay

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From a Dubs perspective, anyone else feel JG should freshen things up a bit?

I prefer when Cian O Sullivan is at the back. Has he still a niggling injury or just a form thing? Generally very reliable (rarely gets booked - which is a problem for us).

Eoin Murchan was excellent when he came on and looks as fresh as a daisy. Superb run to set up Dean for the equaliser.
Then the bold Philly. We need his tenacity back.

To accomodate those 3....probably would mean Small, Cooper and Byrne (unlucky as he had a great year) starting on the bench. Big risk one but give Connolly a start? Scully does a great shift but his style may not be needed as much against a very open playing team.

Of course it's unlikely JG will go with suggestions above but throwing in a few frustrated, but quality, players could give Dublin the impetus needed in the replay.

Dinosbar&grill (Dublin) - Posts: 23 - 02/09/2019 16:33:46    2231964

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Think we'l see Cian coming in as sweeper, McCarthy going into midfield and Murch chiming in to a man marking job on O Shea.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2805 - 02/09/2019 16:35:40    2231966

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "But surely if your saying our bench is weak it's better to have Connolly than not have him? You reckon kev isn't a match winner anymore so then we're left with paddy small and Costello."
Brogan a better call than Connolly in a tight game with smart decisions needed. The Dublin fans love Connolly so they give this a free pass but I think it's the wrong call.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6503 - 02/09/2019 16:46:00    2231969

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Think we'l see Cian coming in as sweeper, McCarthy going into midfield and Murch chiming in to a man marking job on O Shea."
Murch on O Shea? Wouldn't fancy that if he got isolated.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6503 - 02/09/2019 16:47:29    2231970

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I dont know which team would be more happy than the other. Dublin will be happy to finish the game the way they did, a man down and going for the win.
Kerry will be happy to have put in the performance they did and that their key players can improve a bit more (geaney and Clifford). I expect them to.

The cons for Dublin for me would be that if it were not for Jack McCaffrey, Kerry would have won the game. They will either have to start lads earlier in the game that were on the bench, or will have to expect a huge improvement in several of their players come Sunday week. Both options are possible, but I expect the later to be the case.

The cons for Kerry are that they are no longer under the radar. Dublin would never have underestimated them, but still, there could have been a lingering complacency in a tiny corner of their players minds that they would be good if they replicated their semi final performance, or close to it. They won't do this again.
Another con is that they played for 45 minutes with an extra man, and looked like the team with a man down in the last 10. This is something that possibly is beyond their control.

Kerry will need to score goals. they will need to finish on the front foot. They will need 100% from all their players.
Dublin will have to rely on others aside from McCafferey. They will need to watch their discipline in defence.

I fancy Dublin in this, but if you were brave enough to go for a draw again, it might just be the case.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3663 - 02/09/2019 16:54:19    2231973

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Murch on O Shea? Wouldn't fancy that if he got isolated."
He's Dublin best man marker.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2805 - 02/09/2019 16:59:27    2231974

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Did anyone else get the feeling that the match was almost going perfectly to script?
As in Kerry giving Dublin a major fright, Dublin a man down. Injury time, Prodigal son Connolly with an outside of the boot effort from outside the 45? Can you imagine the pandemonium if he'd nailed that & it ended up the winning score to land the 5 in a row?!?"
He looked a little rusty which is understandable. The extra two weeks of training will bring him on nicely for the replay.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2496 - 02/09/2019 17:16:18    2231981

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Replying To Donegalman:  "I dont know which team would be more happy than the other. Dublin will be happy to finish the game the way they did, a man down and going for the win.
Kerry will be happy to have put in the performance they did and that their key players can improve a bit more (geaney and Clifford). I expect them to.

The cons for Dublin for me would be that if it were not for Jack McCaffrey, Kerry would have won the game. They will either have to start lads earlier in the game that were on the bench, or will have to expect a huge improvement in several of their players come Sunday week. Both options are possible, but I expect the later to be the case.

The cons for Kerry are that they are no longer under the radar. Dublin would never have underestimated them, but still, there could have been a lingering complacency in a tiny corner of their players minds that they would be good if they replicated their semi final performance, or close to it. They won't do this again.
Another con is that they played for 45 minutes with an extra man, and looked like the team with a man down in the last 10. This is something that possibly is beyond their control.

Kerry will need to score goals. they will need to finish on the front foot. They will need 100% from all their players.
Dublin will have to rely on others aside from McCafferey. They will need to watch their discipline in defence.

I fancy Dublin in this, but if you were brave enough to go for a draw again, it might just be the case."
Ah I don't know. Jack Mc had a star game yesterday but he didn't exactly carry the team. With one man less Dublin still got control of the game to lead by 5 before Kerry (who were on the rack at that point) got a great goal. We couldn't have got into such a position without a big team effort to compensate for being down a man. It didn't get analysed but you can't overstate how being a man down means players need to adapt to the situation and cover a lot more area.
They may not have been spectacular but lots of effort and contribution from the likes of Byrne, Mick Fitz, Howard and Rock.

I do agree though that most players do have room for improvement. Unusual for Dublin to have so few scorers as scoring is usually spread a lot more across the team than yesterday

Dinosbar&grill (Dublin) - Posts: 23 - 02/09/2019 17:19:42    2231984

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Why are Dublin overwhelming favourites by many to win this replay? A young and arrogant Kerry team with a very savvy coach will have no fear of them. From the Clifford stareout when Dublin players walked by them and shook hands to the great matchups to the great subs they know, even against 15 men they have a great chance. They were given less than a snowballs chance yesterday and looked the lightest on their feet at the end. Meantime Dublin have nearly two weeks more to think about the 5 and surely it will weigh on their minds. Either way the replay will be a classic, don't rule out extra time."
Big deal! Stare outs don't win matches!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 658 - 02/09/2019 17:21:28    2231987

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Shouldnt we now have home advantage for the replay? Isnt that the way it normally works?

aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 540 - 02/09/2019 17:23:02    2231989

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Replying To Joxer:  "One or the other to be honest. We're not carrying enough scoring threat IMO. Howard and Scully operate between the 45s. DC has a big engine on him and would be a great extra fielder around the middle with Fenton and Howard. Plus he can put a pass on a sixpence and score from distance. He'd get my nod."
Brogan's cuteness more likely to likely to pinch a score, draw a foul in scoring range.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1583 - 02/09/2019 17:28:12    2231993

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Replying To Donegalman:  "I dont know which team would be more happy than the other. Dublin will be happy to finish the game the way they did, a man down and going for the win.
Kerry will be happy to have put in the performance they did and that their key players can improve a bit more (geaney and Clifford). I expect them to.

The cons for Dublin for me would be that if it were not for Jack McCaffrey, Kerry would have won the game. They will either have to start lads earlier in the game that were on the bench, or will have to expect a huge improvement in several of their players come Sunday week. Both options are possible, but I expect the later to be the case.

The cons for Kerry are that they are no longer under the radar. Dublin would never have underestimated them, but still, there could have been a lingering complacency in a tiny corner of their players minds that they would be good if they replicated their semi final performance, or close to it. They won't do this again.
Another con is that they played for 45 minutes with an extra man, and looked like the team with a man down in the last 10. This is something that possibly is beyond their control.

Kerry will need to score goals. they will need to finish on the front foot. They will need 100% from all their players.
Dublin will have to rely on others aside from McCafferey. They will need to watch their discipline in defence.

I fancy Dublin in this, but if you were brave enough to go for a draw again, it might just be the case."
Kerry seemingly deciding to try to defend a one point lead was foolish. They lost their own momentum and handed the attacking advantage to Dublin. This contributed to Dublin appearing to finish the stronger.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1583 - 02/09/2019 17:37:45    2231997

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Replying To TheUsername:  "He's Dublin best man marker."
I get he is a tight livewire. But dangerous if they get the two of them isolated near goals.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6503 - 02/09/2019 17:50:18    2232003

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In fairness Bernard is an all time Dublin legend. The best inside forward we've produced in many a year, some would argue the best ever.

However, time and tide wait for no one. There's a reason he didn't make the bench.

Almost nothing would be sweeter for Dubs fans if Bernard was to get his swansong but sport, like life, just doesn't work that way.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12680 - 02/09/2019 17:53:13    2232006

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Did anyone else get the feeling that the match was almost going perfectly to script?
As in Kerry giving Dublin a major fright, Dublin a man down. Injury time, Prodigal son Connolly with an outside of the boot effort from outside the 45? Can you imagine the pandemonium if he'd nailed that & it ended up the winning score to land the 5 in a row?!?"
That or Rock nailing that last free. Back to where it all began with this generation in 2011 and a last kick of the game to beat Kerry by a point. Stuff of dreams. It was flashing through my head but distance and angle against him. He just didn't get under it.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3984 - 02/09/2019 17:58:52    2232009

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Replying To neverright:  "Brogan's cuteness more likely to likely to pinch a score, draw a foul in scoring range."
Last 15-20m only though. I'm not sure he could do 70m at that intensity. An absolute wizard and I'd have no complaints in seeing him come on in the last qtr. Can unlock any defence and looked razor sharp in Omagh.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3984 - 02/09/2019 18:17:53    2232021

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It's going to be another cracker. If we improve I think we'll win, we rarely underperform twice on the bounce.
But Kerry are an excellent side and you're looking at the next All-Ireland champions after we're caught. Hopefully that's not in the 14th!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7699 - 02/09/2019 18:44:18    2232030

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Agree Scully was better than most yesterday never gets the credit he deserves set up McCaffrey goal. Dublin were well in control of that game with 55mins on the clock there was only one winner. Even the last 12mins Dublin dominated and had 5 shots on goal. Kerry didn't have 1. Don't see Gavin make to many changes McCarthy to midfield, O' Sullivan to come in at 6. Cooper onto Geaney and Fitzy onto Clifford. A lot of over raction Con and Mannion were out in front the whole game just didn't turn there possesion into scores. Moving Howard to wing back took from Dublin in an offensive capacity. That game will bring Dublin on a huge amount. If it had of stayed 15 v 15 Dublin would have won by at least 6pts. I was more nervous yesterday than I am about the replay. 2017 was last game Dublin had that went down to the wire. Kerry had 3 games this year Cork, Donegal and Tyrone. That game will have the Dubs primed."
Conveniently forgetting all the goal chances kerry missed first half. Analysis today seems to say dublin won't miss as much the next day, but kerry missed alot of chances they'd normally take too. Dublin are deserved favourites for the replay but it's gas seeing some dublin fans giving kerry's young team no credit.

Dmck19 (Kerry) - Posts: 24 - 02/09/2019 18:48:36    2232034

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Agree Scully was better than most yesterday never gets the credit he deserves set up McCaffrey goal. Dublin were well in control of that game with 55mins on the clock there was only one winner. Even the last 12mins Dublin dominated and had 5 shots on goal. Kerry didn't have 1. Don't see Gavin make to many changes McCarthy to midfield, O' Sullivan to come in at 6. Cooper onto Geaney and Fitzy onto Clifford. A lot of over raction Con and Mannion were out in front the whole game just didn't turn there possesion into scores. Moving Howard to wing back took from Dublin in an offensive capacity. That game will bring Dublin on a huge amount. If it had of stayed 15 v 15 Dublin would have won by at least 6pts. I was more nervous yesterday than I am about the replay. 2017 was last game Dublin had that went down to the wire. Kerry had 3 games this year Cork, Donegal and Tyrone. That game will have the Dubs primed."
Don't forget kerry's young team playing their first final. They should improve too. Dublin's experience in finals was invaluable yesterday.

Dmck19 (Kerry) - Posts: 24 - 02/09/2019 18:50:57    2232037

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Replying To Joxer:  "Last 15-20m only though. I'm not sure he could do 70m at that intensity. An absolute wizard and I'd have no complaints in seeing him come on in the last qtr. Can unlock any defence and looked razor sharp in Omagh."
Yeah and how many subs did Jim bring on before the last 20 on Sunday? Nobody thinks he should start.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6503 - 02/09/2019 18:56:44    2232042

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