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Dublin Vs Kerry Replay

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Really DC in for Scully? I think that'd be crazy. Scully was really important for you guys getting the ball up the field with MDMA and Fenton more tied up than usual in midfield. He was only taken off because of the amount of work he'd put in."
Agree Scully was better than most yesterday never gets the credit he deserves set up McCaffrey goal. Dublin were well in control of that game with 55mins on the clock there was only one winner. Even the last 12mins Dublin dominated and had 5 shots on goal. Kerry didn't have 1. Don't see Gavin make to many changes McCarthy to midfield, O' Sullivan to come in at 6. Cooper onto Geaney and Fitzy onto Clifford. A lot of over raction Con and Mannion were out in front the whole game just didn't turn there possesion into scores. Moving Howard to wing back took from Dublin in an offensive capacity. That game will bring Dublin on a huge amount. If it had of stayed 15 v 15 Dublin would have won by at least 6pts. I was more nervous yesterday than I am about the replay. 2017 was last game Dublin had that went down to the wire. Kerry had 3 games this year Cork, Donegal and Tyrone. That game will have the Dubs primed.

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 828 - 02/09/2019 10:42:18    2231754

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There's no doubt that Kerry gave Dublin a right good scare yesterday which was fantastic for us neutrals. I thought Kerry tried to close the game out a wee bit too early, and if they'd trusted in themselves just a small bit more another score or two would have seen them home. But in fairness to Dublin they pressed hard and got back on level terms and I feel deservedly got another crack at it Saturday week.

It will be interesting to see if there any changes to both lineups in the replay. Once again Jack Barry did a decent job on Fenton so I'd expect to see him to attempt the same again. Jack McCaffrey ran riot at times yesterday so maybe Kerry need a more specific plan for him too. Ciaran Kilkenny was quiet enough by his own high standards yesterday so Dublin will be hoping for more from him.

I can concede that some may feel Kerry missed the boat yesterday playing against 14 men for so long. However, they missed 3 good goal chances before Copper's dismissal and were wasteful enough with some of their other efforts as well. If they can increase their scoring ratio then 15 men or not, Dublin will have plenty to think about.

That said, favourites tend to get the business done in replays in general. I expect, and hope, to see another great game with Kerry giving it a right good cut. But Dublin to prevail in a high scoring battle by about 5-6 points.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6510 - 02/09/2019 10:44:50    2231756

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Dublin will expect to win the next day and rightly so but I was one of the few on here that said Kerry would be in this game. All the talk of the unbelievable Dublin bench is a bit bizarre in my opinion. Costello not going well, Kevin Mc probably at the end and Connolly ahead of Bernard Brogan is a joke in my opinion.

I expect another battle in 2 weeks.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6503 - 02/09/2019 11:01:31    2231762

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The big concern I'd have for this game is that despite having an extra man in the second half yesterday Dublin finished stronger. Kerry were absolutely out on their feet in the closing stages. That's not something that can be worked on in two weeks.

Dubs had a good look at Kerry yesterday and I'd imagine that Jim Gavin will make a few changes at the back and in midfield.

I don't know what Kerry can do apart from try to execute better. They really needed to score another 1-2 of those goal chances yesterday, they may not get them again Saturday week.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1568 - 02/09/2019 11:07:27    2231763

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"Dublin in decline", what a joke! They played for the guts of 3/4s of an hour a man down against the second best team in the country, and they looked as likely to win it in injury time as Kerry did.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1076 - 02/09/2019 12:12:23    2231812

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "Agree Scully was better than most yesterday never gets the credit he deserves set up McCaffrey goal. Dublin were well in control of that game with 55mins on the clock there was only one winner. Even the last 12mins Dublin dominated and had 5 shots on goal. Kerry didn't have 1. Don't see Gavin make to many changes McCarthy to midfield, O' Sullivan to come in at 6. Cooper onto Geaney and Fitzy onto Clifford. A lot of over raction Con and Mannion were out in front the whole game just didn't turn there possesion into scores. Moving Howard to wing back took from Dublin in an offensive capacity. That game will bring Dublin on a huge amount. If it had of stayed 15 v 15 Dublin would have won by at least 6pts. I was more nervous yesterday than I am about the replay. 2017 was last game Dublin had that went down to the wire. Kerry had 3 games this year Cork, Donegal and Tyrone. That game will have the Dubs primed."
Both Dublin wing forwards (if that's what they are anymore) were excellent yesterday. I think in general the 'wing forward' position in modern Gaelic Football is so important, players like Brian Dooher, Galvin, and Flynn immediately spring to mind.

I really enjoyed yesterday's game, finals can be dull but this one was on a knife-edge nearly the whole way through and especially from the Kerry goal to the end. I felt sorry for Paddy Small, even if he just kicked his chance wide there would have been no rapid Kerry counter-attack. I guess you get ruthlessly punished for any small mistakes at this level.

I can't look past Dublin for the replay, they probably have more room for improvement than Kerry. I expect Kerry to deliver another big performance but Dublin will find a way to beat them. You wouldn't rule out extra time too.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2496 - 02/09/2019 12:15:49    2231815

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Set up to be a great game. I wouldn't be so sure that Dublin will win as people are predicting. Yesterday will have done Kerry every bit as good as Dublin in terms of takeaways and what to work on in training.

Con, Mannion, Kilkenny, Fenton all very quiet by their standards, but similarly you'd have to say Geaney, O'Brien and Clifford didn't take the scores they would expect to take.

There's big room for improvement for both teams, and that's exciting from a neutral POV.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 936 - 02/09/2019 12:40:25    2231838

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Why are Dublin overwhelming favourites by many to win this replay? A young and arrogant Kerry team with a very savvy coach will have no fear of them. From the Clifford stareout when Dublin players walked by them and shook hands to the great matchups to the great subs they know, even against 15 men they have a great chance. They were given less than a snowballs chance yesterday and looked the lightest on their feet at the end. Meantime Dublin have nearly two weeks more to think about the 5 and surely it will weigh on their minds. Either way the replay will be a classic, don't rule out extra time.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5498 - 02/09/2019 12:46:42    2231845

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "The big concern I'd have for this game is that despite having an extra man in the second half yesterday Dublin finished stronger. Kerry were absolutely out on their feet in the closing stages. That's not something that can be worked on in two weeks.

Dubs had a good look at Kerry yesterday and I'd imagine that Jim Gavin will make a few changes at the back and in midfield.

I don't know what Kerry can do apart from try to execute better. They really needed to score another 1-2 of those goal chances yesterday, they may not get them again Saturday week."
Kerry missed a penalty (the keeper was miles off his line but the shot should have had more power on it).
Kerry hit the bar (and if that had gone in it would have been game over, probably).
Kerry had their marquee forward miss a lot early on (although he was getting horsed around a lot).

Dublin could have been got at more at the back. They will surely do more to sort out their midfield. Some of their shooting at the end wasn't much to write home about. In short, they are not unbeatable. All Kerry can do is adapt as well as they can, apply that the next day and aggravate their more vaunted opponents as nobody else has since 2017.

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 541 - 02/09/2019 12:47:13    2231846

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Any chance of a change in the commentary box for the replay? I'd take Maloney over Canning and anyone over McStay

Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 47 - 02/09/2019 13:40:18    2231877

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Dublin will expect to win the next day and rightly so but I was one of the few on here that said Kerry would be in this game. All the talk of the unbelievable Dublin bench is a bit bizarre in my opinion. Costello not going well, Kevin Mc probably at the end and Connolly ahead of Bernard Brogan is a joke in my opinion.

I expect another battle in 2 weeks."
Tbf to our subs they didn't get much time (apart from small) to make an impact and he's going to be a great Dublin player but paddy Small first sub In was a strange call ahead of Costello Connolly and kev Mac proven match winners couldn't understand that one at all.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/09/2019 13:52:14    2231885

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Replying To Joxer:  "I can't see Dublin playing that poorly the next day. They will have seen Clifford up close today and will have a plan. Dublin are very reliant on 3 forwards for firepower and if they don't play the scores dry up. Howard, Scully and Kilkenny are playmakers and disrupters but not scorers. We could see DC in for Scully to add some threat up there. McCarthy may start in the middle with Cian taking the CHB slot. Philly may start in the FB line. I expect a different Dublin performance the next day with a lot more physicality and urgency. Gavin will have a plan. Dubs by 3."
Wouldn't start dc , actually I think his inclusion maybe a disruptive element. I'd definitely have brogan though. Hugely missed yesterday imo

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15998 - 02/09/2019 13:58:43    2231889

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tbf to our subs they didn't get much time (apart from small) to make an impact and he's going to be a great Dublin player but paddy Small first sub In was a strange call ahead of Costello Connolly and kev Mac proven match winners couldn't understand that one at all."
Thought Gavin made some strange decisions alright, he left the subs quite late as well I thought he should have made a switch as soon as Kerry got the goal.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 936 - 02/09/2019 14:08:32    2231890

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Wouldn't start dc , actually I think his inclusion maybe a disruptive element. I'd definitely have brogan though. Hugely missed yesterday imo"
One or the other to be honest. We're not carrying enough scoring threat IMO. Howard and Scully operate between the 45s. DC has a big engine on him and would be a great extra fielder around the middle with Fenton and Howard. Plus he can put a pass on a sixpence and score from distance. He'd get my nod.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3984 - 02/09/2019 14:11:46    2231893

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tbf to our subs they didn't get much time (apart from small) to make an impact and he's going to be a great Dublin player but paddy Small first sub In was a strange call ahead of Costello Connolly and kev Mac proven match winners couldn't understand that one at all."
Paddy Small was a funny one alright, though Kerry were playing the blacket and Paddy is a good man for a long range score. Thought Gavin left some of his other subs a bit late to impact, especially given the context of playing with a man down and Kerry having 15 and emptying their bench.

The final, 10 mins were interesting we kept hearing about the "legs" we finished with higher energy then Kerry, we need to take note of that and use it to our advantage.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2805 - 02/09/2019 14:27:54    2231904

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Did anyone else get the feeling that the match was almost going perfectly to script?
As in Kerry giving Dublin a major fright, Dublin a man down. Injury time, Prodigal son Connolly with an outside of the boot effort from outside the 45? Can you imagine the pandemonium if he'd nailed that & it ended up the winning score to land the 5 in a row?!?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6510 - 02/09/2019 14:48:08    2231917

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Replying To plike:  "Kerry missed a penalty (the keeper was miles off his line but the shot should have had more power on it).
Kerry hit the bar (and if that had gone in it would have been game over, probably).
Kerry had their marquee forward miss a lot early on (although he was getting horsed around a lot).

Dublin could have been got at more at the back. They will surely do more to sort out their midfield. Some of their shooting at the end wasn't much to write home about. In short, they are not unbeatable. All Kerry can do is adapt as well as they can, apply that the next day and aggravate their more vaunted opponents as nobody else has since 2017."
Don't forget Geaney had a shot cleared off the line. But it's all ifs and buts. If Paddy Small's shot goes over instead of dropping inches short then it's 6 points up and all but game over. If Davy Byrne doesn't spill that ball. If Rock nails that free. If Con finds the corner instead of hitting straight at the keeper.

When both teams feel they could have won or lost then a draw must be the right result.

Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 47 - 02/09/2019 14:49:47    2231918

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Tbf to our subs they didn't get much time (apart from small) to make an impact and he's going to be a great Dublin player but paddy Small first sub In was a strange call ahead of Costello Connolly and kev Mac proven match winners couldn't understand that one at all."
That's my whole point. They are not going as well as people say otherwise why would he hold them and I am sorry but the Connolly thing is still a bad call in my opinion. Kevin Mc a proven match winner ? In the past for sure. Now I am not so sure.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6503 - 02/09/2019 15:01:11    2231923

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Did anyone else get the feeling that the match was almost going perfectly to script?
As in Kerry giving Dublin a major fright, Dublin a man down. Injury time, Prodigal son Connolly with an outside of the boot effort from outside the 45? Can you imagine the pandemonium if he'd nailed that & it ended up the winning score to land the 5 in a row?!?"
It would have been the equaliser not a lead point though.

Still would have been epic.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12680 - 02/09/2019 16:21:03    2231954

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "That's my whole point. They are not going as well as people say otherwise why would he hold them and I am sorry but the Connolly thing is still a bad call in my opinion. Kevin Mc a proven match winner ? In the past for sure. Now I am not so sure."
But surely if your saying our bench is weak it's better to have Connolly than not have him? You reckon kev isn't a match winner anymore so then we're left with paddy small and Costello.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/09/2019 16:33:18    2231962

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