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Dublin Vs Kerry Replay

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Replying To neverright:  "Kerry seemingly deciding to try to defend a one point lead was foolish. They lost their own momentum and handed the attacking advantage to Dublin. This contributed to Dublin appearing to finish the stronger."
You may be right but that's what you get with a young inexperienced team with most players in their first final. They are not robots. Dublin may win replay but kerry on the rise.

Dmck19 (Kerry) - Posts: 24 - 02/09/2019 19:04:03    2232045

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Replying To aidan64:  "Shouldnt we now have home advantage for the replay? Isnt that the way it normally works?"
Nah. All Ireland Final is always played at Headquarters. Neutral venue for both teams. ;-)

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 379 - 02/09/2019 19:08:27    2232047

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Replying To neverright:  "Kerry seemingly deciding to try to defend a one point lead was foolish. They lost their own momentum and handed the attacking advantage to Dublin. This contributed to Dublin appearing to finish the stronger."
Disagree with 'apperaing to' finish stronger. They were running Kerry ragged for all of extra time bar one counter that was turned over (a foul). I think sometimes a team has to gamble with a full press or play safe with a counter attacking percentile. The later almost worked as it did backfire. The full press may have but cluxton can set up a goal even from a kickout following a score. All this would have been factored in by Kerry.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3663 - 02/09/2019 19:08:29    2232048

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I get he is a tight livewire. But dangerous if they get the two of them isolated near goals."
Wouldn't agree to be honest.

Also make O Shea track him out the field, he put in a terrific offensive performance when came in yesterday.

Kerry forwards don't work hard enough for me, I think with 15 we will have men over breaking especially from half back.

Murch and Jack breaking into the Kerry central Chanel is an appealing option, especially if Cian comes in as sweeper.

Fenton will have fully recovered by the next day too, which will be a massive boost.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2805 - 02/09/2019 19:08:49    2232049

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The one change I would make for the replay is dropping MDMA. He's had a few good games this season but he's too erratic when you need precision in such a tight game. This comes with two options.

The attacking option: Howard goes to midfield and is replaced by Connolly/Costello
The defensive option: McCarthy goes to midfield and is replaced by Murchan/Philly/COS

With Mannion kept quite , Kilkenny and Scully in playmaker roles, and Howard on defensive duty after the red card we were badly needing an extra scoring threat. Fenton not contributing to the attack like he usually does either. Rumours going around that he was not 100% and this is the reason Peadar Byrne was on the bench. Either way I would go with the attacking option in the final. We were 4 up at half time. Kerry played 40 minutes a man up and only scored 1-16 so I would trust the same back 6 to do a reasonable job again. Just stay on the field! No need for any heroes. As Bill Belichick would say, just do your f*cking job.

Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 47 - 02/09/2019 19:09:03    2232050

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Replying To Joxer:  "Last 15-20m only though. I'm not sure he could do 70m at that intensity. An absolute wizard and I'd have no complaints in seeing him come on in the last qtr. Can unlock any defence and looked razor sharp in Omagh."
I'd of had him on bench and thought last night we could of used his game savvy in las 15. Especially as we were getting so little from inside forwards. Gavin will shake things up next day out. Love to see him bow out in a high note.

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Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 379 - 02/09/2019 19:17:33    2232052

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Replying To Joxer:  "That or Rock nailing that last free. Back to where it all began with this generation in 2011 and a last kick of the game to beat Kerry by a point. Stuff of dreams. It was flashing through my head but distance and angle against him. He just didn't get under it."
Was an impossible kick in my opinion, by that stage I think we decided to play for the draw, I would have played it quick to be honest and worked the score.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2805 - 02/09/2019 19:21:01    2232054

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Where are all the apocalypse predicters from before the game "dublin going to get 25 in row we all wasting our time competing for the forseeable future now they have just been shown to be 15 men against 15 men with the kerry boys on the rise if anything it goes to show how little competition was really out there last 5/6 years ....kerry transitioning donegal transitioning mayo aging Tyrone ageing leinster and Munster in the doldrums..fact is a great dublin team with amazing players and advantages came along during a very barron time for other counties and capitalized

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 02/09/2019 19:52:30    2232065

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "Where are all the apocalypse predicters from before the game "dublin going to get 25 in row we all wasting our time competing for the forseeable future now they have just been shown to be 15 men against 15 men with the kerry boys on the rise if anything it goes to show how little competition was really out there last 5/6 years ....kerry transitioning donegal transitioning mayo aging Tyrone ageing leinster and Munster in the doldrums..fact is a great dublin team with amazing players and advantages came along during a very barron time for other counties and capitalized"
Yes and Dublin have only won All -Ireland Finals by narrow margins bar last year.Beat Kerry by 1 point in 2011,Mayo by 1 point in 2013,2016 (after a replay) and 2017 and Kerry by 3 points in 2015.People have been overstating Dublin's dominance.Dublin won't be winning 10 in a row but I do think they'll win this year's replay.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1134 - 02/09/2019 20:56:42    2232094

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Brogan a better call than Connolly in a tight game with smart decisions needed. The Dublin fans love Connolly so they give this a free pass but I think it's the wrong call."
I would have preferred to see Brogan personally...think he has plenty to add especially in the last 20mins when the game opens up

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 828 - 02/09/2019 21:22:49    2232104

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Was an impossible kick in my opinion, by that stage I think we decided to play for the draw, I would have played it quick to be honest and worked the score."
It was an impossible kick for dean rock , but Seanie Shea has kicked 2 sideline balls from outside the 45 already this season and he's only 21.

That free was perfect for a right footed kicker but I suppose the PRESSURE might have got to him.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9545 - 02/09/2019 21:30:37    2232110

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It was an impossible kick for dean rock , but Seanie Shea has kicked 2 sideline balls from outside the 45 already this season and he's only 21.

That free was perfect for a right footed kicker but I suppose the PRESSURE might have got to him."
I wonder was time up and he had no choice but to go direct. He had very little space to work with, he was practically by the front row of the stand at the start of his walk up.

Even though the angle would have been terrible for a left footed kicker, Cluxton might have been a good option because at least he would have had a proper run up/ walk up to it on grass and in a decent arc.

It was very clever by Tommy Walsh to be getting ready to lift Moran up Rugby style to catch the ball. Is that legal, I assume it is?

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2496 - 02/09/2019 23:55:14    2232164

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "It was an impossible kick for dean rock , but Seanie Shea has kicked 2 sideline balls from outside the 45 already this season and he's only 21.

That free was perfect for a right footed kicker but I suppose the PRESSURE might have got to him."
Was one of those against Meath? On the wrong side for him as well. An absolute peach.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2852 - 03/09/2019 02:07:40    2232175

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "Where are all the apocalypse predicters from before the game "dublin going to get 25 in row we all wasting our time competing for the forseeable future now they have just been shown to be 15 men against 15 men with the kerry boys on the rise if anything it goes to show how little competition was really out there last 5/6 years ....kerry transitioning donegal transitioning mayo aging Tyrone ageing leinster and Munster in the doldrums..fact is a great dublin team with amazing players and advantages came along during a very barron time for other counties and capitalized"
Would hold off making that comment until after the replay. People seem to be massively over looking the fact that dub played 40 mins with 14 and still led for the majority of the game. In fact in the last 10 min or so they looked like winning it.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 227 - 03/09/2019 06:28:05    2232181

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O Shea is a fine place kicker to be sure, ive seen the best miss from that angle in Croke Park. Cillian O Connor twice springs to mind, we wouldnt be in the market or swapping Deano mind, Dublin best forward the last day and a big game player any day you finish with 10= on All Ireland final day you can be happy.

I was happy for young O Shea mind that his performance wasn't marred with loosing Kerry the All Ireland and he didn't get a black etc. Id be a big O Shea fan objectively am always a bit surprised that Clifford is so hyped in comparison with him, i think hes a superior player pound for pound and influence wise for Kerry, he kept Kerry in the game really when other forwards didnt fire.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2805 - 03/09/2019 10:52:52    2232276

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Replying To kevin03:  "Would hold off making that comment until after the replay. People seem to be massively over looking the fact that dub played 40 mins with 14 and still led for the majority of the game. In fact in the last 10 min or so they looked like winning it."
Nobody is over-looking that. In fact everybody keeps bringing it up and saying Kerry missed their chance.

I'd focus more on the Kerry forwards misfiring in those first 20 minutes. They left around 2-2 out there before Cooper got sent off. And they weren't misses because of pressure from Dublin backs. If you'd told anyone on the morning of the game that Kerry would only take 43% of their scoring chances created, you'd say they'd be beaten by 10. There's huge scope for improvement there.

Dublin should be better the next day but so should Kerry, which sets it up to be another great game.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 936 - 03/09/2019 11:53:53    2232317

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Nobody is over-looking that. In fact everybody keeps bringing it up and saying Kerry missed their chance.

I'd focus more on the Kerry forwards misfiring in those first 20 minutes. They left around 2-2 out there before Cooper got sent off. And they weren't misses because of pressure from Dublin backs. If you'd told anyone on the morning of the game that Kerry would only take 43% of their scoring chances created, you'd say they'd be beaten by 10. There's huge scope for improvement there.

Dublin should be better the next day but so should Kerry, which sets it up to be another great game."
The last day is gone. The next day will be different.

Dublin's midfield will be better. Their backs won't try to saddle Clifford. They will play the percentages better.

Kerry's forwards will be more accurate. They won't let McCaffrey go on Waltzing Matilda runs. They will show more steel near the finish line.

So, on balance, you have to give it to Dublin. They should win. The hand of history will be on their shoulders. And... every man in green and gold will be in their faces. Take it if you want it badly enough. Don't expect anyone to hand it to you!

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 541 - 03/09/2019 12:27:51    2232338

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The last day is gone. The next day will be different.

Dublin's midfield will be better. Their backs won't try to saddle Clifford. They will play the percentages better.

Kerry's forwards will be more accurate. They won't let McCaffrey go on Waltzing Matilda runs. They will show more steel near the finish line.

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 524 - 03/09/2019 12:27:51


In fairness I don't think any of that is a given.

Dublin's midfield might not be better, might be worse, who knows? Maybe they'll have the sam problems with Clifford and get another red card.

Kerry forwards might not be more accurate, and if they're to stop McCaffrey's runs , what sacrifices will need to be made? If any? There's no guarantee they'll show more steel.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12680 - 03/09/2019 13:14:37    2232372

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The last day is gone. The next day will be different.

Dublin's midfield will be better. Their backs won't try to saddle Clifford. They will play the percentages better.

Kerry's forwards will be more accurate. They won't let McCaffrey go on Waltzing Matilda runs. They will show more steel near the finish line.

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 524 - 03/09/2019 12:27:51


In fairness I don't think any of that is a given.

Dublin's midfield might not be better, might be worse, who knows? Maybe they'll have the sam problems with Clifford and get another red card.

Kerry forwards might not be more accurate, and if they're to stop McCaffrey's runs , what sacrifices will need to be made? If any? There's no guarantee they'll show more steel."
Replays are usually different though, aren't they? Men who shone on the first, fade in the second- and vice versa. It's the men who didn't do themselves justice who may well do far better the next day. It also bears mentioning that what worked a treat first time around will be expected and presumably dealt with at the second time of asking.

That said, all the blether is pointless. Even tactics have their limits. Which of the two shows more dog. Which really wants it more. Which will leave every drop of sweat they have on the field. They're both talented enough. They both having the makings of champions. Let's see which of them can serve it up to perfection, or as close as they can manage!

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 541 - 03/09/2019 14:01:25    2232388

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Replying To TheUsername:  "O Shea is a fine place kicker to be sure, ive seen the best miss from that angle in Croke Park. Cillian O Connor twice springs to mind, we wouldnt be in the market or swapping Deano mind, Dublin best forward the last day and a big game player any day you finish with 10= on All Ireland final day you can be happy.

I was happy for young O Shea mind that his performance wasn't marred with loosing Kerry the All Ireland and he didn't get a black etc. Id be a big O Shea fan objectively am always a bit surprised that Clifford is so hyped in comparison with him, i think hes a superior player pound for pound and influence wise for Kerry, he kept Kerry in the game really when other forwards didnt fire."
Seanie also scored 10 points the last day, 3 , 45s 4 frees and 3 from play so both free takers had a good day.

Clifford who is suffering a little bit from second season syndrome is also a brilliant free taker and it doesn't get shown because we got SOS.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9545 - 03/09/2019 14:22:26    2232399

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