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Meath Football thread - 4 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "Meaths problems began by no infrastructure into underage. We have won both a minor Leinster and all Ireland recently, a lot of that team make up the u20s this year that are fav by many to win Leinster and could go on to win all Ireland.
The problem with the current seniors is a needed change of management last year hasn't really brought a difference. Colm unfortunately seems more concerned with what people say on Sunday game than he does about how his team is playing. Now we have diehards who think Colm walks along the boyne every day (actually on the water) and he can do no wrong. Im more realistic. The brand of football we are currently playing is embarrassing, the players must take their share of responsibility but the book stops with management, who in their right mind sends out a team to go man to man with dubs AGAINST the wind. ? You play to ur strengths and that concept so far seems to have passed Colm by while he wonders what Cora Staunton will say is more important.
Im heading to ashbourne to watch a well coached team play. As for the seniors? Well we more than likely will play in TC and lose to whoever we draw. We also have a former all star nominee fb and the best in county sitting at home twiddling his thumbs cause he wanted extra time off after Leinster campaign with his club. Like all other counties afforded their players" McGill??
Watty Graham's players were back after a week or two and starting. If someone requested that in Tyrone they would be roaded
The_Fridge (National) - 31/03/2023 12:34:04
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To galway19: "Much stronger minor team named for tomorrow. A lot of lads back from injury, most notably Stephen Keane, Jason Rabbitte and Vince Morgan. Still missing a couple of key players like Counihan and Fallon but id expect a more polished performance against Laois." At this stage, I'll wait for a polished performance at u20/ u21 level, before i get excited.
Pope_Benedict (National) - 31/03/2023 10:42:00
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Meath Football thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Ollie2: "Its the Paddy Keenan curse on the Royal County that Meath wont win another Leinster title till Louth win one. All jokes aside speaking to a few Royal supporters that they are not happy with Colm O Rouke and some have stopped going to Meath matches because of him. Meath are a proud GAA county. They are the second biggest county in Leinster and the third biggest in terms of population. Hopefully Meath and Kildare can challenge the Dubs again like the good days of the 90s and 00s." I like that one Ollie; "The Paddy Keenan Curse" - that Meath will not win another Leinster Title until Louth have won one.
PedOGog (National) - 31/03/2023 11:01:07
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Meath Football thread - 2 Like(s)
To answer the original poster; Meath has declined in GAA (particularly senior men's football) for a lot of reasons, and most of the footballing reasons have been outlined already. However the primary reasons for the decline are non-football. Ill do my best to touch on them.
(1) Demographics: Meath now has 220,000 people. In my youth in the 1990s it had tens of thousands less. Traditionally it was one of the least dense counties by population. Of the new arrivals, many are foreign settlers, or people who originated from other counties in Ireland particularly Dublin, so there isnt the same attachment to the county as previous generations. The stories are true; you will see Dublin jerseys and Navy/Blue flags out in every town in Meath come July/August every season. I know kids and young adults who have lived in Meath all their lives but support Dublin and are embarrassed by their county of residence. The county also produces great soccer players and rugby players these days and many of the best prospects choose other sports including AFL.
(2) Changing face of the county: Pre-2000 there wasnt a motorway in Ireland, now there are loads and 4 of them dissect Meath. The towns of the county have become stop-over towns housing commuters. The heart and soul, in my opinion, has therefore declined in urban Meath and the strength of the GAA as a community based organisation has declined. Another argument, albeit hard to prove but widely believed is that the Celtic Tiger and the modern day has simply produced a more middle class cosmopolitan youth population in Meath who just arent the same "breed" as the past and havent the same interest or attachment to the game.
(3) Bad P.R.: Some Meath posters might not like it, but its a fact. Our PR is crap. Its a county that had strong presence and success for decades and that has dried up post-millenium and the slew of managers coming and going and the news that comes out of the county (with the exception of the AI winning minors and the womens team) is usually negative news which paints a picture for kids in the county that Meath GAA isnt a successful or "cool" brand to follow.
(4) Loss of Identity: Meath was the county that was left behind in the early days of blanket defences and mass defensive styles. They simply didnt change their approach to the game and mentally were very, very slow to react to the changing game. As of 2023, Meath football teams have no tangible identity on the field which differentiates them from anyone. In the past they were aggresive, physical, often played on the edge or over the edge and played with manic intensity in the 15 on 15 game. Those days are over. Meath's "role" in the game was taken largely by Tyrone or by other Ulster teams as a collective.
Young_gael (National) - 31/03/2023 15:49:22
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Galway Football thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To FatLadySinging: "So it's all about in the view of SAM 1998 "the team looking more relaxed". How did you measure this state of relaxation? Did you ask the players how relaxed they were and would they have "looked" less relaxed if Conor Gleeson had been in goal? If Conroy's long-distance goal had not gone in, Kerry may well have won the match. In that scenario would you then have said that the players didn't look relaxed at all? Winning changes perceptions. These sort of observations from SAM 1998 are painful to read. Gleeson is an outstanding goalkeeper. If he wasn't, an outstanding manager like Padraig Joyce would not have picked him. So also is Bernard Power an excellent keeper. This knocking of our players has to stop. They have given great service. I am sick of the way a fine goalkeeper like Gleeson has been pilloried by people who frankly haven't a clue. I have no connection with Dunmore, a great GAA club. I am just an advocate of fair play." Look I don't mean to knock any Galway player, but I stand by my comments .And I hope Conor Gleeson is mom next Sunday.
SAM1998 (National) - 31/03/2023 21:30:45
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Galway Football thread - 2 Like(s)
Gleeson has recovered from his slight knock to retain 1st choice spot.
It's Galway starting team that's strong enough to win its first Div 1 title since 1981 all about performing on the day!
Yondu (National) - 31/03/2023 22:02:45
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Counties Sweating On All-Ireland Football Qualification - 1 Like(s)
Replying To BlastCalyle: "Winners of Leitrim/Sligo will be in the All Ireland series.
As will Westmeath.
If Down make the Ulster final - they will be there as well.
Which would mean, Meath would have to make the Leinster final in order to qualify for the All Ireland series - lucky for them they are on the opposite side of the draw to Dublin." All provinces regardless of seeding structure provide one provincial winner. Provincial winners, Tailteann winners and the rest through league qualification is the fairest solution for all.
legendzxix (National) - 31/03/2023 10:00:36
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Much stronger minor team named for tomorrow. A lot of lads back from injury, most notably Stephen Keane, Jason Rabbitte and Vince Morgan. Still missing a couple of key players like Counihan and Fallon but id expect a more polished performance against Laois.
galway19 (National) - 31/03/2023 10:21:50
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2023 Dublin NFL Div 2 thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To sligo joe: "Phillips has his opinion of course. I repeat, in his interview after the Louth match Dessie stated that 2 of his 3 goalies are out injured and Stephen was willing to provide cover. You said it did not look good for Dessie???" And I said it was news to me that 2 are injured long term?
TheFlaker (National) - 31/03/2023 10:24:36
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Roscommon GAA thread - 1 Like(s)
Do the likes of Roscommon, Monaghan, Cavan, Offaly have something to learn from Derry? Derry came through a Div 2 league campaign last year, failing to get promoted and were still being talked about as All Ireland dark horses. Although horrible to watch they backed it up somewhat winning Ulster and getting to an AI semi. They have some very good individuals but they seem to be conditioned brilliantly. They probably have an even better chance this year of reaching a final. They have a serious confidence about them for a County who have only won one AI ever. Why can't football mad counties such as Ros, Cavan and Offaly replicate this? All three of us have had great underage teams over the past ten years. Ros have also had cycles of top club teams as well. Population wise, when you consider football is probably restricted to the nationalist population and then allow for the way soccer is top dog in Derry city, their GAA population probably isn't far off ours. I know people might laugh if counties like Ros, Cavan, Offaly or Monaghan came out and said their ambition was to win an AI but if Derry can make that an ambition why can't we? Is it structures that are holding us back? Resources?
MachaireConnacht (National) - 31/03/2023 10:25:55
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Trump2020: "What's the story with Jack Canning? I figure he should be around 25 years old now and looked like a good prospect a few years ago. Is he not good enough, injured, or just not interested?" He played wing back v Antrim in the Walsh cup up in Louth back in January.
Didn't hear much after that.
Not sure if he was cut from the panel or just wasn't interested, but you'd imagine he would be good enough to be on the 26 man panel.
Past hurler (National) - 31/03/2023 10:36:31
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Donegal GAA thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Commodore: "That's selective ignorance on approach, Jim McGuinness merely took the Blanket defense approach of Mickey Harte (Tyrone) and Joe Kernan (Armagh) in the 2000's to the next level in 2011-2012. He had implemented it at Naomh Conaill for a few years before taking on the Donegal job, he brought Rory Gallagher onboard in 2011 as a coach and started Rory's education on this way of doing things.
Sport like human being's tactically evolve, that is the way of things. While ignorance is bliss in terms of reminiscing about the Golden of days of football for decades before this, we all know there were many horror shows back then too, but the sport was tactically naïve. Tactical evolution happens in all sports, Gaelic Football just had been molly coddled for decades and went into shock when very intelligent innovative people thought outside the box." Rory Gallagher did not innovate very much in the last 10 years. It is totally boring football, end of story. The fact that a person has a point of view that you disagree with, does not mean they are ignorant.
letsgetgoing (National) - 31/03/2023 11:41:09
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "At this stage, I'll wait for a polished performance at u20/ u21 level, before i get excited." You'll get that on Saturday week in Tullamore.
galway19 (National) - 31/03/2023 11:41:54
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To galway19: "Much stronger minor team named for tomorrow. A lot of lads back from injury, most notably Stephen Keane, Jason Rabbitte and Vince Morgan. Still missing a couple of key players like Counihan and Fallon but id expect a more polished performance against Laois." Laois can't be up to much given that they got murdered by a Kilkenny team who were a man down for over half the game.
Unless of course this is an exceptional Kilkenny team, I suppose we won't have to wait long to find out on both counts.
Stool Pigeon (National) - 31/03/2023 11:42:37
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Donegal GAA thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To letsgetgoing: "Rory Gallagher did not innovate very much in the last 10 years. It is totally boring football, end of story. The fact that a person has a point of view that you disagree with, does not mean they are ignorant." letsgetgoing: "Jim Mc Guinness and Rory Gallagher were very innovative in their approach and won a deserved All Ireland with Donegal. However their approach has ruined our game as it is a terrible game to watch. It is more about GPS stats than skill now".
I agree that a person having a point of view that I disagree with does not mean they are ignorant.
However your comment was ignorant (Not personally attacking you), as in it you blame Jim McGuinness and Rory Gallagher approach to football for ruining the game, despite the facts showing this tactical approach was already happening for a good few years before they came on the Intercounty scene and applied it to Donegal (Remember "Puke Football").
I agree Rory Gallagher hasn't been innovative, he simply copied what he learned from Jim McGuinness from 2011 onwards, McGuinness and Naomh Conail were at this tactical stuff from the early 2000's after seeing what Tyrone and Armagh were at.
Commodore (National) - 31/03/2023 14:04:11
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Donegal GAA thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Tyrion: "Commodore mark Curran is in his 4th year with county" That may be the case, but most likely in a fringe capacity as an U20 player they were preparing to make the step up. I believe he made his debut against Down in the McKenna Cup last year and never really featured again until this season.
Tony McClenaghan was in the squad from 2017 until 2022, he featured at various times in McKenna Cup and National League during that time frame, I never seen him perform poorly. He was a powerful wing back, I would have started him there ahead of Ryan McHugh and moved Ryan to Wing forward.
Commodore (National) - 31/03/2023 15:24:15
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Trump2020: "What's the story with Jack Canning? I figure he should be around 25 years old now and looked like a good prospect a few years ago. Is he not good enough, injured, or just not interested?" Isn't he focusing on rugby? Apparently, he's very good at that game, and more power to him.
foreveryoung (National) - 31/03/2023 15:24:31
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Meath Football thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Young_gael: "To answer the original poster; Meath has declined in GAA (particularly senior men's football) for a lot of reasons, and most of the footballing reasons have been outlined already. However the primary reasons for the decline are non-football. Ill do my best to touch on them.
(1) Demographics: Meath now has 220,000 people. In my youth in the 1990s it had tens of thousands less. Traditionally it was one of the least dense counties by population. Of the new arrivals, many are foreign settlers, or people who originated from other counties in Ireland particularly Dublin, so there isnt the same attachment to the county as previous generations. The stories are true; you will see Dublin jerseys and Navy/Blue flags out in every town in Meath come July/August every season. I know kids and young adults who have lived in Meath all their lives but support Dublin and are embarrassed by their county of residence. The county also produces great soccer players and rugby players these days and many of the best prospects choose other sports including AFL.
(2) Changing face of the county: Pre-2000 there wasnt a motorway in Ireland, now there are loads and 4 of them dissect Meath. The towns of the county have become stop-over towns housing commuters. The heart and soul, in my opinion, has therefore declined in urban Meath and the strength of the GAA as a community based organisation has declined. Another argument, albeit hard to prove but widely believed is that the Celtic Tiger and the modern day has simply produced a more middle class cosmopolitan youth population in Meath who just arent the same "breed" as the past and havent the same interest or attachment to the game.
(3) Bad P.R.: Some Meath posters might not like it, but its a fact. Our PR is crap. Its a county that had strong presence and success for decades and that has dried up post-millenium and the slew of managers coming and going and the news that comes out of the county (with the exception of the AI winning minors and the womens team) is usually negative news which paints a picture for kids in the county that Meath GAA isnt a successful or "cool" brand to follow.
(4) Loss of Identity: Meath was the county that was left behind in the early days of blanket defences and mass defensive styles. They simply didnt change their approach to the game and mentally were very, very slow to react to the changing game. As of 2023, Meath football teams have no tangible identity on the field which differentiates them from anyone. In the past they were aggresive, physical, often played on the edge or over the edge and played with manic intensity in the 15 on 15 game. Those days are over. Meath's "role" in the game was taken largely by Tyrone or by other Ulster teams as a collective." I remember playing Meath in the early 2000s and they had only Graham Geraghty and Ollie Murphy on the edge of the square and the rest were way out the field. Not a blanket but it was a withdrawn style definitely not 15 on 15 in a traditional style.
Jack_Sparrow (National) - 31/03/2023 16:29:17
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National Hurling League 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To KnockaineyAbú: "For many years we have had inept Munster Council reps. It took them 20 years to get the Munster cup named after Mick Mackey.
I wonder could JP induce Frank Murphy out of retirement and appoint him Limerick secretary?!!!" I have a bit of local knowledge. It took a long battle by our people, as members from other counties kept pointing out that they had great players as well and they were not being recognised either.
Oldtourman (National) - 31/03/2023 16:37:15
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Wexford Club Championships - 1 Like(s)
Tom, you are starting to resemble Abe Simpson "old man yelling at cloud".
You are proposing problem after problem and attacking people who are probably doing something for the game in the county. Viking already said he hasn't experience above u12, maybe his fellas are younger than 12?
I read back through your post and I can't see even 1 proposal from you, other than finger pointing and problem finding. Starting from the very obvious statement that you can't just make force people or clubs to play football, what are you proposing to do about the game, or what did you propose the other night at that meeting you were at? Sort the split season and all is hunky dory?
We give football as good a chance as hurling in our club at underage, but if you ask the children even they prefer playing hurling bar about 5-6 of them yet they do play football because, well, its a game. What do you propose we do about that? Is that our fault? Is it the children's fault who don't get to experience the big days in Wexford football from the noughties? Why did Wexford football people not make hay while the sun shined when Matty Forde and co were at the top?
I just don't get what it is that you think is the problem, bar the split season? I know from my Dublin hurling days, you can't make anybody love anything or anybody.
What I am saying here, is you can write another 100 pages of messages but I doubt there is an answer.
ExiledInWex (National) - 31/03/2023 17:35:10
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