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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Padraig Joyce is one of the greatest players to ever play for Galway. He is one greateat players to come from Connacht in last 50 years along with Dermot Earley Snr, Michael Donnellan, Ciaran McDonald. A truly all time great forward. But he fid not score double digits v Darren Fay in 2001 All Ireland final. When he ran riot, Fay was not marking him. In the final at the start second half. Joyce scored his second point from play. Darren Fay decided unknown to Meath management to take himself of Joyce and swapped with Mark Reilly. The reason was it was first time in 6 years any forward had scored more then 1 point from play in the chanpionship marked by Darren Fay. Think of that. In the years 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 and up to All Ireland final in 2001. No player scored more then a point from play in the championship v Darren Fay. Remeber Meath won two All Irelands in this period beating Cork, Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh, Fay was keeping players like Maurice Fitzgerald and Peter Cavanan to one point from play. That was the standard Fay was at. So Joyce scored a second from play v Darren Fay in the early part of the second half. This was first time in his career of 6 years playing for Meath, a player had scored more then point from play against him in the championship. Before the final in 2001 , from his debut in 1996 Darren Fay had played 26 games for Meath in a row in the championahip. In those 26 championship games in a row not one forward scored more then one point v Darren Fay in the championship. In his 27th game for time ever in his career a player scored 2 points from play marked by Fay. And we are talking about Fay keeping great forwards to not more then 1 point from play in 6 years when Meath reached 3 All Ireland finals winning 2. Never in his career before had a forward had scored more then 1 point from play been marked by Darren Fay in the championship. So when Joyce scored his second point from play. Fay felt this was below his standards and asked Mark Reilly to take Joyce. Reilly was on Joyce for 20 mins. Joyce ran riot in that 20 mins while he was marked by Reilly. After 20 mins, the Meath management who hadnt realised Fay had asked Reilly to mark Joyce. Told Fay to take Joyce again. The damage was done. Joyce performance is one of the great All Ireland final performances. A truly great performance reaching double figures. But when he and Galway ran riot v 14 man Meath, Fay was not on Joyce. Fay when he marked Joyce he kept him to 2 points from play. Fay did a decent job on Joyce in first half. Joyce didnt play great in the firsf half. He actually had a couple of real bad wides, Galway had 7 bad wides in the first half, at half time score was 6 points apiece, Galway were overall better team in the first half. Galway were excellent in the second half especially Meehan , Mannion and Joyce. At the start of the second half Joyce scored 2 from play v Fay. Reilly took him then. Joyce ran riot, he scored 4 points, 3 from play been marked by Fay. Then Fay took Joyce again and kept him scoreless from play for the rest of match. Joyce scored two points from play v Fay in 01 fibal The other 3 points from play were when he was marked v Mark Reilly. Just wanted to state this. I have heard it many times that Joyce destroyed Fay in the final. Its not the true picture what happenned. I knew in 01 that Fay was not marking Joyce in that period of the game. But it wasnt well known fact. It was Darren Fay who set record straight a few years ago in book on Meath great full backs. Two great players, two great teams. Its pity when they met for the first time but teams would decline straight after. Galway were well and deserved winners on the day. And that victory was pretty much end of both teams. It was miracle Meath reached final as Westmeath should have beaten Meath twice. Many of the Meath players legs were gone by 2001 and was great achivement even getting to the final. It was down to nevee say die spirit . That was both teams last big match. The performance of total swashbuckling football by Meath in the semis when they beat great kerry team of 00s by 15 points was the swansong for that great Meath team. The brillant performance of Galway in the final was the swansong for that great Galway team. Its terrible pity there wasnt a back door in late 90s ( 01 was the first year of the backdoor) the kerry Galway and Meath teams who won 2 All Irelands apiece won all the All Irelands between 1996 and 2001, its pity they didnt meet in those years. Kerry and Galway met in a brillant final in 00. Meath and kerry met in great league semi final in 2000. But its pity kerry Meath and Galwa didnt meet each other in 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000. There would have been some matchs. When Meath played Galway in 01 but teams were coming to the end of their sucess. Anyway as I said Darren Fay took himself of Mark Reilly when Joyce ran riot. Fay kept Joyce to 2 points from play. It was when Reilly took him he ran riot. I just wanted to state that. Fay was the greatest full back of the 90s and Joyce was one of greatest forwards of the 90s. Two truly great players."
I'm not sure if you're more like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump with your version of events but here is the direct quotes from the book you reference "The four Kings" by Philip Lanigan. Croke Park, Sunday, September 23, As the Meath team exit the dressing room, Fay is one of the first out the door, ball in his left hand, blessing himself with his right. Padraic Joyce walks over before the throw-in and shakes hands. This is it. In a tense first half, with both teams struggling to find their 'A' game, nothing separates the sides. Galway are feeding the two-man inside line of Joyce and Derek Savage at every opportunity, but Fay and Mark O'Reilly are giving it back in spades. Fay reveals where it all went wrong, how Meath's season, and his own record, unravelled in the most dramatic fashion. "We went in six points all. I was marking Joyce … everything was grand. He hadn't scored - now he'd missed a couple of easy frees. And he was completely off his game. He missed a free from 21 yards out nearly straight in front of the goal. "I felt there was an uneasy feeling in the dressing room at half time. We were after kicking the s**t out of Kerry and all of a sudden we were drawing with Galway, and we can't find the switch to flick it on again. It just wasn't there. Less than a minute after the restart, Joyce gets in behind him and blazes over the bar with the goal at his mercy. Not long after that, Savage passes to Joyce who dodges one way, slips Fay, and scores. His second point from play. A defining moment. "It was the first time ever in my playing career that someone had scored twice from play off me." Suddenly, the doubts swirled in Fay's mind. Right in that moment, something snapped in him. "Talk about panic on a football pitch. I says to Mark O'Reilly, "Look, I'm being roasted here, you may have a go." The second half turns into 'The Padraic Joyce Show'. Joyce finishes with 10 points, five from play. Galway run out easy winners, 0-17 to 0-8. Fay recounts his hardest day as a Meath footballer with a level of honesty that is as rare as it is admirable. As Mick Lyons put it, "Joyce played like a gunslinger with an itchy trigger finger" "The most honest performance I actually ever gave was, ironically enough, against Galway in 2007. In Portlaoise, in a qualifier. I was marking Michael Meehan. It was so hard; it was nearly like the same whole thing again. "I was supposed to go into work on the Wednesday but I couldn't go in. I was just sitting at home here, thinking to myself, "This isn't happening." I shut myself out to the world. Sitting here now and looking back you think, "It's only a game of football." Fay: after the semi final against Kerry, 'Meath football started showing an arrogance and it's never recovered from it' It appears some Meath people remain in August of 2001 and thd arrogance remain, but there you have it, Joyce destroyed two of Meaths greatest defenders in 35 minutes. Imagine if he had stayed on him PJ may have scored 15 or 16.

GDL (National) - 16/02/2020 11:26:57

Useless Fact Of The Day... - 2 Like(s)
Down are the only county Kerry have played in Championship football and never beaten. Kerry have never played Wicklow or Fermanagh in the Championship. Before 1893, a goal outnumbered any amount of points and points were only used to decide a game if no goal was scored. Kerry introduced a rule in 1890 to make a goal equal 5 points and this was subsequently taken up by other counties and then the GAA itself. It was then reduced to the modern 1 goal = 3 points Kerry's maiden All Ireland football victory in the 1903 championship, played in 1905, was the only AI in history to go to two replays Kerry won the final game of that series against Kildare wearing Red and Green jerseys Kildare, to live up to their lillywhites moniker, actually painted their football boots with whitewash to complete the look The games were the first to be played with 17 aside, reducing numbers from the original 21 aside In 1913 the GAA organised the Croke Cup competition to raise funds to build a memorial to their first patron, Archbishop Thomas Croke of Cashel. Kerry and Louth qualified for the final in 1913 which went to a replay and they became the biggest games in the GAA's history to that point as Louth and Kerry were the great rivals of the era. Kerry had beaten them in the 1909 AI final, but then a lot of bad blood had arisen between the two in 1910 over Louth being awarded a wake over in the final as Kerry didn't travel due to a dispute over ticket prices with the GSW Railway Co. Both counties were unexpectedly beaten in their provincial championships in 1911 and in 1912 Kerry were shocked by Antrim in the AI semi-final; with Louth then beating them easily in the final. The Croke Cup final was the first game played with the modern 15 aside. 25,000 people crammed into Jones Road as Kerry played their traditional "catch and kick" style, while Louth, trained by two soccer coaches from Belfast Celtic, kick passed along the ground, soccer style. The game finished Kerry 0-4, Louth 1-1 For the replay both counties organized training camps, with the GAA for the first time every granting each £50 to defray their training expenses. It was estimated that 50,000 attended the replay, by far the largest attendance at any sporting event in Irish history up to that point. Kerry won 2-4 to 0-5. The GAA earned nearly £2,400 in gate receipts from the matches and decided to now purchase Jones Road and rename it Croke Park as a fitting memorial to Archbishop Croke. So next time you're all enjoying a game there, give a word of thanks to the men of Louth and Kerry for making it possible!

TheHermit (National) - 16/02/2020 10:25:04

Useless Fact Of The Day... - 2 Like(s)

Replying To TheHermit:  "Down are the only county Kerry have played in Championship football and never beaten. Kerry have never played Wicklow or Fermanagh in the Championship. Before 1893, a goal outnumbered any amount of points and points were only used to decide a game if no goal was scored. Kerry introduced a rule in 1890 to make a goal equal 5 points and this was subsequently taken up by other counties and then the GAA itself. It was then reduced to the modern 1 goal = 3 points Kerry's maiden All Ireland football victory in the 1903 championship, played in 1905, was the only AI in history to go to two replays Kerry won the final game of that series against Kildare wearing Red and Green jerseys Kildare, to live up to their lillywhites moniker, actually painted their football boots with whitewash to complete the look The games were the first to be played with 17 aside, reducing numbers from the original 21 aside In 1913 the GAA organised the Croke Cup competition to raise funds to build a memorial to their first patron, Archbishop Thomas Croke of Cashel. Kerry and Louth qualified for the final in 1913 which went to a replay and they became the biggest games in the GAA's history to that point as Louth and Kerry were the great rivals of the era. Kerry had beaten them in the 1909 AI final, but then a lot of bad blood had arisen between the two in 1910 over Louth being awarded a wake over in the final as Kerry didn't travel due to a dispute over ticket prices with the GSW Railway Co. Both counties were unexpectedly beaten in their provincial championships in 1911 and in 1912 Kerry were shocked by Antrim in the AI semi-final; with Louth then beating them easily in the final. The Croke Cup final was the first game played with the modern 15 aside. 25,000 people crammed into Jones Road as Kerry played their traditional "catch and kick" style, while Louth, trained by two soccer coaches from Belfast Celtic, kick passed along the ground, soccer style. The game finished Kerry 0-4, Louth 1-1 For the replay both counties organized training camps, with the GAA for the first time every granting each £50 to defray their training expenses. It was estimated that 50,000 attended the replay, by far the largest attendance at any sporting event in Irish history up to that point. Kerry won 2-4 to 0-5. The GAA earned nearly £2,400 in gate receipts from the matches and decided to now purchase Jones Road and rename it Croke Park as a fitting memorial to Archbishop Croke. So next time you're all enjoying a game there, give a word of thanks to the men of Louth and Kerry for making it possible!"
Kerry have played Fermanagh in Championship Football. Round 3 Qualifier 2002. Kerry 2-15 Fermanagh 0-4 in Portlaoise.

MesAmis (National) - 16/02/2020 11:29:23

NFL Division 1 - 2 Like(s)

Replying To GDL:  "I'm not sure if you're more like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump with your version of events but here is the direct quotes from the book you reference "The four Kings" by Philip Lanigan. Croke Park, Sunday, September 23, As the Meath team exit the dressing room, Fay is one of the first out the door, ball in his left hand, blessing himself with his right. Padraic Joyce walks over before the throw-in and shakes hands. This is it. In a tense first half, with both teams struggling to find their 'A' game, nothing separates the sides. Galway are feeding the two-man inside line of Joyce and Derek Savage at every opportunity, but Fay and Mark O'Reilly are giving it back in spades. Fay reveals where it all went wrong, how Meath's season, and his own record, unravelled in the most dramatic fashion. "We went in six points all. I was marking Joyce … everything was grand. He hadn't scored - now he'd missed a couple of easy frees. And he was completely off his game. He missed a free from 21 yards out nearly straight in front of the goal. "I felt there was an uneasy feeling in the dressing room at half time. We were after kicking the s**t out of Kerry and all of a sudden we were drawing with Galway, and we can't find the switch to flick it on again. It just wasn't there. Less than a minute after the restart, Joyce gets in behind him and blazes over the bar with the goal at his mercy. Not long after that, Savage passes to Joyce who dodges one way, slips Fay, and scores. His second point from play. A defining moment. "It was the first time ever in my playing career that someone had scored twice from play off me." Suddenly, the doubts swirled in Fay's mind. Right in that moment, something snapped in him. "Talk about panic on a football pitch. I says to Mark O'Reilly, "Look, I'm being roasted here, you may have a go." The second half turns into 'The Padraic Joyce Show'. Joyce finishes with 10 points, five from play. Galway run out easy winners, 0-17 to 0-8. Fay recounts his hardest day as a Meath footballer with a level of honesty that is as rare as it is admirable. As Mick Lyons put it, "Joyce played like a gunslinger with an itchy trigger finger" "The most honest performance I actually ever gave was, ironically enough, against Galway in 2007. In Portlaoise, in a qualifier. I was marking Michael Meehan. It was so hard; it was nearly like the same whole thing again. "I was supposed to go into work on the Wednesday but I couldn't go in. I was just sitting at home here, thinking to myself, "This isn't happening." I shut myself out to the world. Sitting here now and looking back you think, "It's only a game of football." Fay: after the semi final against Kerry, 'Meath football started showing an arrogance and it's never recovered from it' It appears some Meath people remain in August of 2001 and thd arrogance remain, but there you have it, Joyce destroyed two of Meaths greatest defenders in 35 minutes. Imagine if he had stayed on him PJ may have scored 15 or 16."
Listened to a recent podcast where Darren Fay spoke with great honesty about his career with Meath. His memory of the 2001 final is very similar to the passages quoted from The Four Kings.

seadog54 (National) - 16/02/2020 14:07:35

NFL Division 1 - 2 Like(s)

Replying To Jackeen:  "Oooh just a weekend in the Ice House Hotel in Ballina would do!"
Don't think the ice house allow riff raff in....;)

yew_tree (National) - 16/02/2020 14:42:45

The Amateur Ethos - 2 Like(s)

Replying To IssacBall:  "' Smell of money leaving a stench'. Joe Brolly in the Independent today says it as it is. The corruption in the GAA with the pursuit of money to pay managers and coaching staff is criminal. We have lost the arguement within the debate on amateur -v- professionalism. We are paying to go to games and support our clubs and the money is being used primarily to pay wages to managers at all levels in club and county games."
And I assume Joe writes all these articles for free and makes no money off the back of the GAA

Breezy (National) - 16/02/2020 15:18:31

The Amateur Ethos - 2 Like(s)

Replying To centerfield:  "is zero pay top dollar for the people who supporters pay money to watch. The players."
Players demand the absolute best nowadays...do you realize what goes into managing a club team let alone a county team? If we pay the players where do we draw the line? Intercourny only, club player who gets an odd county game? Who is going to pay for it? I do have a problem with clubs paying managers from neighboring clubs or counties to come and manage them when funds would be better off kept within.

yew_tree (National) - 16/02/2020 18:51:31

NFL Division 1 - 2 Like(s)

Replying To yew_tree:  "Don't think the ice house allow riff raff in....;)"
You tell me YT ;)

Jackeen (National) - 16/02/2020 20:51:12

The Amateur Ethos - 2 Like(s)

Replying To KillingFields:  "You draw up contracts for core players and then pay per game for any others just like a lot of other sports do/have done. Mix of county boards, central authorities in croker as well as getting sponsors to chip in. A sponsor could help with giving a player(s) some pay and player then acts as corporate partner helping promote the company/turn up at product launches etc"
Top players are getting cars left right and centre...they are well looked after. Some intercounty stars barely have a day job from what I see on social media. It's the club players that are being shafted.

yew_tree (National) - 16/02/2020 20:59:56

NFL Division 1 - 1 Like(s)
I'd love to see Monaghan contest and win an All Ireland final, so long as it's not at Mayo's expense, and in doing so Conor McManus to perform half as well as PJ did on those great days for Galway. If he ever manages that he'll have proven himself worthy of comparison with the true greats of the game. No one from Mayo ever tries to draw a line between PJ and Cillian and won't unless Cillian produces the goods to get Mayo over the line when there's an AI at stake. But we can agree to respect both players for their ability, achievements and the definite potential they have to deliver on the big occasion, them and all the other good forwards vying for their place in history.

Pericles (National) - 16/02/2020 09:52:26

Black Card In Hurling - 1 Like(s)
There is a very cynical foul that is prevalent in hurling . In a tight game when a forward is through on goal they are dragged down . That has to be eliminated from the game . Rather than a black card or a yellow card this should be an automatic red card offence . That red card also carries a one game suspension . I wouldn't introduce a black card but I do think an audit needs to be conducted on cynical fouling in hurling in order that people's opinions can be informed . It's not good enough to speak about this issue on the basis of perception .

Greengrass (National) - 16/02/2020 10:00:16

U20 Football Championship 2020 - 1 Like(s)
We've some more then hopeful prospects in this team individually and some impressive run outs yesterday, team seems a bit bigger then last year, how it all gels together is in the lap of the god really. The scoreline flattered us a bit and Longford were value for a fair stake into game up until half time. Hard to draw to many conclusions as the conditions were very very difficult. We tend to use the minor grade and league at U20 as a developmental opportunity rather then a competitive exercise, give all the panel opportunities and rotate before refining things a bit in the championship at U20 and are competitive its worked out for us more often then not. Difficult to judge yesterday with the conditions but some good showings. We've a tough run out the next day against a Meath team who have done well at minor and U 17 Vs us in recent years in this particular playing group so a tough, tough game early doors. I believe Shane Walsh who has already played senior championship football for Meath is togging out for the U20s, so looks like a tough early test. So not long to learn whether we will have a tilt at Leinster or a long year ahead of us.

TheUsername (National) - 16/02/2020 11:11:13

Useless Fact Of The Day... - 1 Like(s)

Replying To MesAmis:  "Kerry have played Fermanagh in Championship Football. Round 3 Qualifier 2002. Kerry 2-15 Fermanagh 0-4 in Portlaoise."
I stand corrected

TheHermit (National) - 16/02/2020 11:53:27

NFL Division 1 - 1 Like(s)

Replying To Pericles:  "How much you looking for Jackeen?"
Oooh just a weekend in the Ice House Hotel in Ballina would do!

Jackeen (National) - 16/02/2020 11:57:53

Black Card In Hurling - 1 Like(s)
Hurling doesn't need a black card, hurling is the only bit of purity left in the GAA. Free flowing games with high scoring, none of the crap that we see in football. However hurling enthusiasts be warned, Congress is a very cynical place, full of stroking & many football counties who don't want hurling or want to keep it under foot will see this as a chance to spike the hurling C'ship & for that reason, don't be surprised if it is introduced. Why rule changes are left to a body who as we saw last year don't even bother debating them & the vote is over in 5 mins, is beyond me, most are there for their own agenda. All this talk of how democratic the Association is & Congress represents us all at grassroots, when they shat on ordinary members last year by voting against transparency & openly mocked from the floor, those who brought the motion. There will be open warfare this year on & off the field, if the stupid motion they recently brought forward with the black card & sin binning isn't timed to take into account stoppages in play. Imagine a scenario in an All Ireland final where ten minutes to go the team leading has a key man black carded & for the last 10 minutes fellas are lying down all over the field, it will infuriate spectators & players. Hurling powers need to start digging in or they will be in for a shock & end up with a game like football where there is a number of rule changes every year & nobody knows what's going on, especially refs at club level.

moc.dna (National) - 16/02/2020 12:06:31

The Amateur Ethos - 1 Like(s)
' Smell of money leaving a stench'. Joe Brolly in the Independent today says it as it is. The corruption in the GAA with the pursuit of money to pay managers and coaching staff is criminal. We have lost the arguement within the debate on amateur -v- professionalism. We are paying to go to games and support our clubs and the money is being used primarily to pay wages to managers at all levels in club and county games.

IssacBall (National) - 16/02/2020 14:05:27

Useless Fact Of The Day... - 1 Like(s)

Replying To lionofludesch:  "Scoring was a much rarer event back in the day."
Yeah not many women attended the games back in the day.

greysoil (National) - 16/02/2020 14:06:37

Black Card In Hurling - 1 Like(s)

Replying To moc.dna:  "Hurling doesn't need a black card, hurling is the only bit of purity left in the GAA. Free flowing games with high scoring, none of the crap that we see in football. However hurling enthusiasts be warned, Congress is a very cynical place, full of stroking & many football counties who don't want hurling or want to keep it under foot will see this as a chance to spike the hurling C'ship & for that reason, don't be surprised if it is introduced. Why rule changes are left to a body who as we saw last year don't even bother debating them & the vote is over in 5 mins, is beyond me, most are there for their own agenda. All this talk of how democratic the Association is & Congress represents us all at grassroots, when they shat on ordinary members last year by voting against transparency & openly mocked from the floor, those who brought the motion. There will be open warfare this year on & off the field, if the stupid motion they recently brought forward with the black card & sin binning isn't timed to take into account stoppages in play. Imagine a scenario in an All Ireland final where ten minutes to go the team leading has a key man black carded & for the last 10 minutes fellas are lying down all over the field, it will infuriate spectators & players. Hurling powers need to start digging in or they will be in for a shock & end up with a game like football where there is a number of rule changes every year & nobody knows what's going on, especially refs at club level."
I agree entirely with you about Congress and what it has inflicted upon football and football supporters . Having said that four of the five major football finals last year were exceptional . The senior final was the best senior final I have ever seen . I agree with you in terms of the suits running the GAA and the fact that Congress does nothing more than rubber stamp every ridiculous initiative that the suits come up with . Look at the new "rules" and that awful Tier Two competition. GAA people, not just hurling people need to organise and push back against the leadership and Congress.

Greengrass (National) - 16/02/2020 14:50:11

NFL Division 1 - 1 Like(s)

Replying To seadog54:  "Listened to a recent podcast where Darren Fay spoke with great honesty about his career with Meath. His memory of the 2001 final is very similar to the passages quoted from The Four Kings."
I'm a big fan of Darren Fay. The second best fullback I can remember after John O'Keefe from Kerry. He had a bad day in 2001. PJ had a day all young footballers dream about having.

GDL (National) - 16/02/2020 15:06:21

Kerry V Tyrone. - 1 Like(s)

Replying To thelongridge:  "Tyrone played, and beat Kerry last weekend. Game over, and move on."
Offaly approve of this carry on of targeting the oppositions top forward going by your comment and it was seen at first hand today in Drogheda . Sam Mulroy of Louth was the victim of much off the ball attention today from an offaly player in Drogheda but when he gave a little back offaly man falls to ground as if shot multiple times and gets the bold Sam a red card at a crucial stage late in the game . Another example of a forward not protected by officials with the underhand tactics of the offaly backs been rewarded .

hurler32 (National) - 16/02/2020 16:26:56