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From that post it's obvious you aren't involved in underage coaching, or you would know what was going on as regards coaching courses for club coaches, provision of more underage games, extending the season, winter initiatives etc etc. So maybe match you better get off your hole and do something yourself, never mind criticising from behind a keyboard. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15466 - 20/04/2025 19:27:25 2603180 Link 0 |
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Them and Waterford are probably the 2 favourites for the minor AI, being as Tipperary who have been the best team at this agegroup since u14 are already eliminated.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15466 - 20/04/2025 19:29:17 2603184 Link 0 |
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Did you see the minor result incoming? Wouldn't read too much into first round results but that's is a fair gap to be honest.
WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 20/04/2025 20:05:54 2603200 Link 0 |
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Hold on a minute. It's not the county boards job to produce player at football or hurling. That's the clubs job, too many people at club level paying the buck in both grades imho. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1478 - 20/04/2025 20:12:50 2603203 Link 0 |
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What do you think the Board needs to do differently? We haven't been consistently successful at minor since the 60s?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15466 - 20/04/2025 20:30:13 2603212 Link 0 |
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I don't think you'll get an answer to that, or nothing approaching a proper answer anyway. Very easy for people to say things like 'things are not working', 'we need to do things differently', 'root and branch overhaul', etc. But ask them exactly what they suggest should be done differently, and you'll get only silence in reply. Same things as with the All County Leagues or the timing of the U21 club championships, etc. 'Something has to be done differently', but nobody can tell you what that something should be. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2822 - 20/04/2025 21:16:37 2603227 Link 0 |
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So do u think a 21 points beating by cork in under 17 yesterday, shocking showing against kk under 21 the first day and a 22 points defeat against kk in minor, is showing things are going well underage? I not living in wexford anymore but when I was, I gave a lot to training in my club. It starting to be a concern that all I am saying by looking at results so far overall this year. I not or never had slated any young players or managers over teams because I know how hard it is but also as a wexford supporter on a supporters board, I am entitled to ask questions to people who might be more in the know with the underage set up at present. hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1108 - 20/04/2025 21:18:34 2603228 Link 0 |
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If Keith was to go like for like replacement for Jacko wouldn't Jack Redmond or Tucker Kinsella be the likely replacements. Let's hope his ankle.is OK. I didn't see the incident where he turned his ankle but something was clearly wrong. I think our bench is not as strong as we'd like it to be. Most of them were youngish lads in their early intercounty years and some of them look a little light still WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 349 - 20/04/2025 21:34:48 2603232 Link 0 |
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You didn't, you called it for what it was, it's a forum after all for people who follow all Wexfords teams to debate, analyse , a place to share info and look for. No one goes after young lads, some people overly sensitive about nothing that's all. Now back to the issues of the day. Let's start at the top end, someone said of the Antrim game about the Antrim team on the previous page "it's hard to progress at Senior if you're not really competing at either U20 or Minor" Does that mean Wexford are competing well at Underage?? Or that we compete a little better than Antrim but no where near top tier, would that be more accurate? I ain't gonna say anything about young lads as it's not their fault, they give the commitment, as did their families. There is no point sugar coating it we really are in the a bad place, probably worst ever in our history, even as low as the Colm Bonner era. It's been discussed to death as well. Optimism at all time low. Hurling is dying in our county.Last 4 years hasn't been good, it's hard to look at to be honest. The demise in our schools,St Peter's,Good Council. National Schools are doing little, Teachers need to drive it but won't take it on as an extra curricular, I hear tidbits but am no expert,so,don't take it personally. Clubs are really trying but seem to be losing the long term battle. Hopefully our current Chairman is able to turn the corner with fresh new ideas.
Tox73 (Wexford) - Posts: 180 - 20/04/2025 21:35:28 2603233 Link 0 |
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Attack the primary school with as much hurling as they can. Reduce the number of GPOs and pay the remaining ones proper money. The strength and conditioning that they are doing now is good in fairness but I suppose we are playing catch up with it. No more dual players from 13 up. Make every club link up with their local school(it not happening) and make sure it is supported by the county board. Improve the standard of hurling coaching in primary school, stop games like no man land etc.. and focus more on hurling skills during these trainings. Coaches need to be doing more than half hour/40.minutes of Gaa training once a week. Support secondary schools with proper equipment and make sure coaches are available in every secondary school to assist teachers etc.. On separate note, I'd dont know why I watch the Sunday game. We are apparently a one man team and Antrim had us on the rope for 2 x 20minutes periods of the game according to the Antrim selector on tv tonight. Talked about all the team but just mentioned Chin for wexford and that the two goals we got were badly conceded by Antrim hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 1108 - 20/04/2025 22:44:25 2603252 Link 0 |
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I didn't say it was a good weekend. The underage results were poor. The u20 lads were poor first game out, but improved the 2nd day out and won in Parnell Park, a rare achievement for any Wexford team. Its also a very young u20 team. Hopefully the minors will do the same. They were very competitive as a group last year at u16, I saw them myself, so it's not as if the talent isn't there. As regards the Celtic Challenge team you would expect a team made up of lads outside the best 30 something in the county to struggle against a county which has way more underage hurlers in every age group. As regards what you are asking the county u12 ASH scheme only started last winter, 2023/4. The lads who participated are only u14 now. The meetings where the Board asked the clubs to extend the season, and try to train teams twice a week, only happened that same winter. The move to no dual players on county underage squads only came in that winter also. There are more courses available to club coaches to upskill and get more qualified than there ever were before also. What there isn't is a little pill that we can give all our young hurlers to become better hurlers instantly. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15466 - 20/04/2025 22:50:24 2603253 Link 0 |
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Mikey Dwyer would be my choice if Jack Redmond is injured. As regards the bench we still don't have Shiner or Mac available. When they come back the bench will be better even if they aren't on it. Jippo hopefully returning to start next week will also make the bench stronger.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15466 - 20/04/2025 22:54:05 2603257 Link 0 |
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We've probably the longest gap without getting to all irelands at every grade out of the bigger counties not to mind win them, cus that stat is even worse. Senior 29 years, u21 10 years, minor 40 years, club 26 years. As someone who's questioned where we are with our game quiet a bit in my life we probably overachieve in many aspects but underachieve at every level at the same time….the complex nature of Wexford hurling, ups and downs. We had a good bit of success at provincial level in the early 00s but most of those lads ended up playing in one of the poorest eras of Wexford hurling ever but then you look at what the most successful team of that time, the 3 in a row u21 Limerick team, did or more over didn't do, maybe it was just a poor enough era of underage. It's hard to know if we are already maxing out our underage teams at senior level going by how little success we have. I will say you probably won't win anything at senior level without a few underage titles behind you, whatever about how hard it is to win at senior level with successful underage teams it's even harder to win without successful underage teams. It's kinda why I get annoyed about Wexford and just how little success we have, is why can't we win any of these competitions. An all Ireland at any grade would be huge for the county. Even the buzz around the place for those u21 all irelands 10 years ago was huge. It just makes it hard to get any break through. Ironically the 96 team was probably the last one to win without any underage all Ireland winners. I do appreciate there is good work going on and tbh probably won't see the results of the current work for a good few years. It's just weve always seem to be playing catch up at underage. Do see green shoots and have been impressed by what I've seen done in ferns, it is fairly impressive complex compared to a lot of counties who don't have anything close to it and our infrastructure throughout the county has come on a good bit. One criticism I will level at the county board is I've been to good few underage finals, mostly just the premier ones, and this might seem like a small thing but I've found the occasion and way it's run to be very amateurish and disrespectful to players and clubs involved..having finals in random club pitches not being played in county grounds, not having linesmen or own umpires, places with no scoreboards, I've seen a few counties streaming minor club finals, playing anthem before, basically not giving the occasion the respect it deserves, for a lot of those lads it's the biggest game they'll ever play. I played in u16 and u21 finals and they're the only finals I ever played in, I remember everything about them, even if we lost both. I've been to a few underage finals in other counties (Galway, Tipp and Kilkenny) and I've been very disappointed with how we treat our underage finals in comparison. Might be small things but it creates a great professional feel and experience which carries on..will it win us a minor, u21 or senior all Ireland? No but it's a small change which can have a big impact down the line.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 304 - 20/04/2025 22:57:28 2603259 Link 0 |
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Our options for replacements in the backs are very limited. Okay Jippo will strengthen our full back line if he's fit to play. Maybe a good move would be to have Simon in the corner Foley at half back and drop Charlie to the bench. Seems harsh on Charlie but it's vital we get our matchups right. I think with that half back line might give our forwards more possession and therefore leading to more scores. Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 428 - 21/04/2025 00:07:18 2603271 Link 0 |
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Don't know why I bothered with the Sunday game. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3515 - 21/04/2025 08:02:05 2603283 Link 0 |
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I saw Oisin Pepper helping out with the team on Saturday and doing some of the drills etc, he seems to have put the work in with regards strength and conditioning. Anyone know if he is on the panel / injured or a prospect? goreyll (Wexford) - Posts: 148 - 21/04/2025 08:53:27 2603285 Link 0 |
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What to do about the underage set up? My solution is this. Yellow (Wexford) - Posts: 588 - 21/04/2025 09:32:49 2603292 Link 0 |
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Having everything in place is no guarantee that you'll be competitive either. If the quality of player coming in from the clubs is not great then no amount of underage development is going to make them great. They'll improve and they'll be fit and strong but if you're not great to start with then you won't be great just because you're in a good development atmosphere. Nothing the county board can do to produce skilful hurlers, not an awful lot clubs can do either apart from good coaching and guidance. Skills are honed at home on the days that don't count as training. You can roll lift a.ball on a Tuesday and Thursday from age 5 to 18 till the cows come home....if.youre not doing it at home every chance you get you'll never do it quicker than say a kilkenny lad that's so in to hurling that he does it.morning noon and night. Great players live the game on their own time. Against the barn door and.all that craic. It's the home environment that fosters the love of the game not the county board and.the clubs can only develop what comes in from the homes. Its not what are the county boards doing it's what are the parents doing? Look at hurling families like O Connors and Quigleys, Rackards. No county boards developed those lads. Each parent into hurling ask yourself are YOU doing enough to have your young lads mad about hurling.....bring em out practicing etc. I don't think there's enough of that in Wexford WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 349 - 21/04/2025 10:19:20 2603307 Link 0 |
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What's the status on Dónal Burke and Danny Sutcliffe? ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 21/04/2025 10:51:58 2603311 Link 0 |
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That's a great point about the parents. You can see that quite clearly here in kildare. I remember seeing kids coming up through the ranks and from a very early age a lot of the time you could see the kids of guys who played the game progressing a lot quicker than kids who's parents wouldn't have played. This all stems from pucking around at home, being shown good habits.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2254 - 21/04/2025 11:55:16 2603330 Link 0 |