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Some Updates On The Football Review

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In a perverse way I am looking forward to the Railway Cup trials in two weeks in the hope that the experimental rule changes look so absurd and unworkable that they are abandoned before they do any real damage.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 02/10/2024 14:43:57    2572793

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Wonder will many of the top names make themselves available for this

Dannyboy15 (Armagh) - Posts: 2 - 02/10/2024 15:37:31    2572801

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Replying To Dannyboy15:  "Wonder will many of the top names make themselves available for this"
Some heavy hitting managers. Team line outs be interesting.. I just can't see the four point goal and a two point bonus for long range points leading to anything other than potentially something even closer - after adopting the mark - to the dog's dinner that is AFL. Why not just add extra posts, and egg shaped ball and a six point goal and have done with it?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 02/10/2024 16:45:31    2572814

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "If that's the sort of football you enjoy so be it… If only two players were allowed tackle the player in possession then surely it would make for a more free flowing game… no..?"
Why not get rid of tackling altogether then?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 02/10/2024 17:51:06    2572822

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why not get rid of tackling altogether then?"
You are completely missing the point as usual… If you think multiple players surrounding a player in possession is good for the game then you're very easily entertained…. No wonder attendances are dwindling…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 02/10/2024 22:59:21    2572845

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "You are completely missing the point as usual… If you think multiple players surrounding a player in possession is good for the game then you're very easily entertained…. No wonder attendances are dwindling….."
You are only supposed to tackle with one hand.When a player is surrounded how many hands are tackling.Only one person should be allowed to tackle.A lot of times it is a disadvantage to win pocession because so often a free is given against them.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 03/10/2024 11:58:20    2572887

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Run out between them…. it's not a dog we are talking about… but Kerry paid the price"
I don't really disagree with you: your suggestion has merit.
The point I was trying to make is that the tacklers HOLD the player in possession which is a foul. If they did not HOLD him, he'd be free to run out between them. Agree?

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 304 - 03/10/2024 14:19:49    2572905

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Replying To gunman:  "You are only supposed to tackle with one hand.When a player is surrounded how many hands are tackling.Only one person should be allowed to tackle.A lot of times it is a disadvantage to win pocession because so often a free is given against them."
Where in the rules does it say "one hand"?

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 304 - 03/10/2024 14:25:42    2572907

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Where in the rules does it say "one hand"?"
You know exactly what I mean.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 03/10/2024 19:28:55    2572952

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Replying To Aibrean:  "Where in the rules does it say "one hand"?"
I think rule says "the hand"

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 03/10/2024 19:29:00    2572953

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I think rule says "the hand""
The tackle rule and definition does not mention the hand or hands.
It does allow for multiple players to tackle the player in possession.
The rule is poorly defined however, and this is the kernel of the entire problem with keep-ball football.

I fear the FRC will tinker with other issues and miss this key point.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1121 - 03/10/2024 19:58:19    2572958

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Replying To gunman:  "You are only supposed to tackle with one hand.When a player is surrounded how many hands are tackling.Only one person should be allowed to tackle.A lot of times it is a disadvantage to win pocession because so often a free is given against them."
My point exactly which in turn frustrates both players and supporters….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 03/10/2024 21:40:45    2572970

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "The tackle rule and definition does not mention the hand or hands.
It does allow for multiple players to tackle the player in possession.
The rule is poorly defined however, and this is the kernel of the entire problem with keep-ball football.

I fear the FRC will tinker with other issues and miss this key point."
Yer right, tackle definition says tackle is on the ball.
Doesn't say what part of body you can tackle with!!

Rule 1,4,f says you can flick the ball from opponent with open hand.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 04/10/2024 08:30:19    2572986

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Yer right, tackle definition says tackle is on the ball.
Doesn't say what part of body you can tackle with!!

Rule 1,4,f says you can flick the ball from opponent with open hand."
What goes on in reality is that tackling even in one on one situations and ignoring the horrible swarm tackles is that a player is allowed to hold,batter a man all over the body as long as it is with one hand.The rule about only slapping the ball is ignored.Most robs are as a result of bangs on the arms rather than on the ball.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 04/10/2024 11:24:07    2573012

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Replying To gunman:  "What goes on in reality is that tackling even in one on one situations and ignoring the horrible swarm tackles is that a player is allowed to hold,batter a man all over the body as long as it is with one hand.The rule about only slapping the ball is ignored.Most robs are as a result of bangs on the arms rather than on the ball."
The whole tackle/contact issue in GAA is a mess really, no clarity in the rules and naturally no consistency in the application of these unclear rules.
Paul Earley this week in the Independent suggesting a more robust tackle, such as being allowed to restrain the player in possession around the waist would lead to a better game with less frees and quicker transfer of the ball?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 793 - 04/10/2024 13:09:57    2573024

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"Philly McMahon: Leave football alone, it's original thinking - not rule changes - that the game needs"
I wouldn't agree with all of his points. Rugby have had experimental rules down through the years as and when required. It has taken the GAA a long time to come to the current surgery required.
With 3 staying up, 11 might setup a low block. They still potentially have 2 pointers to watch out for. The proposed tweak to the current attacking mark seems an improvement.
The solo and go should be an improvement. Rule changes should be keeping advantage with the attacking team to counteract tactical defensive fouling.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 05/10/2024 17:31:33    2573164

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Replying To sligo joe:  "The whole tackle/contact issue in GAA is a mess really, no clarity in the rules and naturally no consistency in the application of these unclear rules.
Paul Earley this week in the Independent suggesting a more robust tackle, such as being allowed to restrain the player in possession around the waist would lead to a better game with less frees and quicker transfer of the ball?"
Check out the detail on the definition of the tackle in rugby union:

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/14

It defines principles, players involved and their responsibilities, with video examples of correct tackles and infractions.

The FRC should be trying to emulate this approach on the tackle, instead of messing around on minor details like penalty shootouts.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1121 - 06/10/2024 13:28:05    2573240

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"the tackle is a skill by which a player may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the Rule of Fair Play. The tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. The tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact (such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge ) is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact can be a Fair Charge .i.e. Shoulder-to-shoulder with at least one foot on the ground. More than one player can tackle the player in possession".

The above rule is a major problem as if a gang of players surrounds a player they can slap/punch his arms at him all day as long as they look like they look like they are not doing it deliberately.
The fact that "more than one player can tackle the man in possession" mens that sweepers are a good idea.

If you changed that sentence to "No more than one player can tackle the player in possession, then you have the sweeper or double marker standing idle until.the forward beats ye first man. This would be great for forwards but bad for defenders, as due to the limit on bodily contact, they haven't much tools to use to stop a forward.

For that reason, I would permit the Tackler to use two hands to dispossess the attacker, with one hand focused on the ball and the other allowed to make contact (only by open hand) with the front of the torso of the man in possessions. i.e. once the tackler is Infront of the attacker, he may push him in the torso with one hand and use the other hand to dispossess him.

The above is commonly taught as an optimum tackling technique and goes unpunished by most referees, so why not make it part of the accepted tackle in the rule book?

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 18/10/2024 10:40:05    2575598

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To reduce the wording - why not say, you can "rugby tackle" with one arm and slap/push the ball with the other. I rather like the AFL rule where the ball carrier is penalised for not releasing - it keeps the ball moving as if it were a "hot potato".

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 18/10/2024 14:16:00    2575659

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Given the 2-pt arc, should a goal have changed to 4 pts, not 3?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 29/10/2024 21:00:51    2577522

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