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2Pts For A Long Distance Score ?

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Issue is that a shot from the 45m line straight in front of goal is a lot shorter than a shot from the 45m line near the sideline. You'd be getting into trigonometry there :)

A pitch has to be between 80 and 90 metres wide. Let's take the example of one that's 85 metres.

Doing the maths on it shows that a shot from where the 45m line meets the sideline would actually be from a distance of 62 metres.

A shot from the 45 right in front of goal would obviously be just 45 metres. Quite a difference there all right."
Also the closer you are to the sideline the worse your view of the posts is, closer in to the posts is easier. Could do a variation of basketball 3 point zone, parallel to sideline from the end line, then join both sides with an arc 45m from the posts. A lot easier in basketball to stand right angles to the hoop when shooting than getting your angles right in gaelic football to kick long range points.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7427 - 31/05/2024 18:10:52    2548604

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The game is being destroyed by rule and format changes, for the love of God stop messing with it, get rid of the forward mark though."
I'd maybe keep the mark if kick passes were from outside the 45 but had to land inside the 21. Difficult to referee that though i suppose. These wee dink passes from outside the 45 ten yards away to another lad inside the 45 are a total piss take.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9238 - 01/06/2024 07:56:03    2548641

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Also the closer you are to the sideline the worse your view of the posts is, closer in to the posts is easier. Could do a variation of basketball 3 point zone, parallel to sideline from the end line, then join both sides with an arc 45m from the posts. A lot easier in basketball to stand right angles to the hoop when shooting than getting your angles right in gaelic football to kick long range points."
A think a more sensible rule would be if a player continues to take shots from the 45 near the sideline he should be taken off!

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 710 - 01/06/2024 11:30:10    2548669

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I know this may seem bizarre but with the predictability and slow play around the middle, I wonder would there ever be consideration for another set of goalposts at halfway. I mean as silly as it sounds, it would mean there is critical defending/attacking in all areas of the field. There are certain things tried in training games with small numbers and it does actually improve things. I mean as it is, everyone plays everywhere nowadays so why not eliminate the slow build up around the middle in that there is a chance of a score in most areas of the pitch. Obviously can't score in through same posts twice in a row and there has to be a time limit between plays. Pitch length as in rectangular not ideal but I mean something must change.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 535 - 03/06/2024 17:01:32    2549223

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Replying To winatallcost:  "I know this may seem bizarre but with the predictability and slow play around the middle, I wonder would there ever be consideration for another set of goalposts at halfway. I mean as silly as it sounds, it would mean there is critical defending/attacking in all areas of the field. There are certain things tried in training games with small numbers and it does actually improve things. I mean as it is, everyone plays everywhere nowadays so why not eliminate the slow build up around the middle in that there is a chance of a score in most areas of the pitch. Obviously can't score in through same posts twice in a row and there has to be a time limit between plays. Pitch length as in rectangular not ideal but I mean something must change."
I'd just prefer an inter-zone kick requirement:

Before advancing the ball to the attacking half, the defence must either:
1) kick from behind own 45 to beyond own 65; or instead,
2) kick across both 65s.

Violation leads to free kick at midfield.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2701 - 04/06/2024 14:40:32    2549439

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Problem we have here is that coaches seem to frown on anybody taking a shot from distance, rather recycle it back and try get in closer. Can't risk losing possession. This may not be the case everywhere but it is widespread. I think the recent game with Donegal and Derry was a case in point. Some lovely long range scores early from both sides but as the game got down to the wire, these shots seemed to disappear and possession was vital. That was my impression anyway."
The idea is to increase the reward for taking the riskier kick. Say, a team only scores 70% of the time long range and 100% short range - that is 70% of 2 (1.4 pts per attempt) vs the safe 100% of 1 (1 pt per attempt). Which would you rather achieve over the whole match?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2701 - 04/06/2024 16:09:48    2549472

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Replying To omahant:  "The idea is to increase the reward for taking the riskier kick. Say, a team only scores 70% of the time long range and 100% short range - that is 70% of 2 (1.4 pts per attempt) vs the safe 100% of 1 (1 pt per attempt). Which would you rather achieve over the whole match?"
I suppose we might be missing the point here. The idea as proposed was to try to find ways improve the game as a spectacle. Presently, in the main, games are becoming borefests.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1050 - 04/06/2024 17:35:47    2549500

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I would go with a minus score for going backwards with the play. A poor imitation of another sport that its greatest attribute is rolling around on the ground because an opposition player farted near bye when passing them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2713 - 09/06/2024 20:30:55    2550415

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I'd maybe keep the mark if kick passes were from outside the 45 but had to land inside the 21. Difficult to referee that though i suppose. These wee dink passes from outside the 45 ten yards away to another lad inside the 45 are a total piss take."
That's what never seems to be considered when new rules are introduced: unintended consequences.

I like the idea of incentivising players to take long range shots for points. It's seldom seen now because players are coached to retain possession at all costs and try to work the high percentage score from close range. And yes, it can be tedious.

The unintended consequence of this rule would be though, as someone has said, teams would stop going for goals as much. So they'd probably have to be made 4 points!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1249 - 10/06/2024 01:58:44    2550450

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I like the idea but if this rule is for club and county then the arc is a non runner. A couple of old loyal servants put out flags on the sidelines to mark the 20, 45 and 65 lines at our club. There are no lines on the pitch as would be the case in a lot of junior games.

The straight line at the 45 would have to be the 2 point mark even though that means a kick from the sideline would be a lot more than 45m out. Changing the 45 to 40m out might be an option. Still going to be difficult to judge on a non lined pitch. Ref trying to confirm if the shot went over and where it was kicked from on a pitch marked with flags.

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 348 - 13/06/2024 10:14:12    2551127

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I suppose we might be missing the point here. The idea as proposed was to try to find ways improve the game as a spectacle. Presently, in the main, games are becoming borefests."
Yes indeed - but teams won't risk the more exciting long range kick if not rewarded more than the safe short variety.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2701 - 14/06/2024 00:56:54    2551322

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Replying To ballydalane:  "That's what never seems to be considered when new rules are introduced: unintended consequences.

I like the idea of incentivising players to take long range shots for points. It's seldom seen now because players are coached to retain possession at all costs and try to work the high percentage score from close range. And yes, it can be tedious.

The unintended consequence of this rule would be though, as someone has said, teams would stop going for goals as much. So they'd probably have to be made 4 points!"
A try in rugby went from 3 to 5 points in recent years. Why not increase the value of a goal in Gaelic football to 5 points?. Goals win matches, encourage attacking football, and provides entertaining fare for spectators. For hurling, I would be all for increasing the sliotar weight, as massive points totals are routinely racked up from frees and long distance shooting. I would also increase value of a goal to 5 points!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 260 - 14/06/2024 01:01:06    2551323

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Replying To ballydalane:  "That's what never seems to be considered when new rules are introduced: unintended consequences.

I like the idea of incentivising players to take long range shots for points. It's seldom seen now because players are coached to retain possession at all costs and try to work the high percentage score from close range. And yes, it can be tedious.

The unintended consequence of this rule would be though, as someone has said, teams would stop going for goals as much. So they'd probably have to be made 4 points!"
I'd keep it simple:

- Kick over the bar from 40+ metres = 1 pt.
- Kick over the bar from 40- metres, only after initially receiving a kick pass from outside the 45 to inside the 20 = 1 pt.
- Kick over the bar from 40- metres, without initially receiving that kick pass from outside the 45 to inside the 20 = 0 pts (a wide).
- Score a goal from anywhere = 3 pts.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2701 - 14/06/2024 01:08:09    2551324

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Replying To dahayeser:  "I like the idea but if this rule is for club and county then the arc is a non runner. A couple of old loyal servants put out flags on the sidelines to mark the 20, 45 and 65 lines at our club. There are no lines on the pitch as would be the case in a lot of junior games.

The straight line at the 45 would have to be the 2 point mark even though that means a kick from the sideline would be a lot more than 45m out. Changing the 45 to 40m out might be an option. Still going to be difficult to judge on a non lined pitch. Ref trying to confirm if the shot went over and where it was kicked from on a pitch marked with flags."
A pink rope or 15-cms high border for the arc?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2701 - 14/06/2024 01:10:39    2551325

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