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Will Cork Appeal Munster Under 20 Final?

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Wouldn't generally be an advocate of appeals against results but Cork denied a cast iron goal in second half. They dominated the,second half but missed a pile of chances. Goal was difference.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3151 - 24/05/2024 21:36:37    2546889

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Wouldn't generally be an advocate of appeals against results but Cork denied a cast iron goal in second half. They dominated the,second half but missed a pile of chances. Goal was difference."
More bad umpiring but I don't think any objection will be lodged…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3038 - 25/05/2024 08:40:03    2546904

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Wouldn't generally be an advocate of appeals against results but Cork denied a cast iron goal in second half. They dominated the,second half but missed a pile of chances. Goal was difference."
If Waterford couldn't appeal Austin Gleeson's goal a few years ago which was essentially the same scenario, then I'd doubt Cork can.
It was very poor from the umpires though. I can accept where they might be unsighted, but in this case the goalie literally pushed the sliotar up into the net. The net moved, so it looked very obvious.
A very tough one to take for the young Cork lads.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 25/05/2024 08:40:49    2546905

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "More bad umpiring but I don't think any objection will be lodged…"
Probably not and don't get the sense there will be but its unacceptable really. How could they have missed it? I did notice that the lad to left of goal was leaning in to see if ball crossed the line when in play on ground but seconds before he must surely have been following the flight of the ball which the goalkeeper caught and pushed into top of net? Ref was not too far away either.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3151 - 25/05/2024 08:55:14    2546908

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Wouldn't generally be an advocate of appeals against results but Cork denied a cast iron goal in second half. They dominated the,second half but missed a pile of chances. Goal was difference."
I don't think Cork will appeal but this was a provincial Final/ All Ireland semi final and for a team to score a goal that none of the officials happened to notice is really unacceptable. What were the umpires looking at and them standing beside it. There was a bulge in the top of the net. Jarlath Burns has had plenty to say recently. Has he anything to say about such inept officiating in such an important match being carried live on National television.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2300 - 25/05/2024 09:00:40    2546909

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "More bad umpiring but I don't think any objection will be lodged…"
Nor would any objection be successful. It would open up a huge can of worms

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 25/05/2024 09:03:47    2546911

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Wouldn't generally be an advocate of appeals against results but Cork denied a cast iron goal in second half. They dominated the,second half but missed a pile of chances. Goal was difference."
Bad decision and the goal was key, but Cork will also be kicking themselves at the amount of wides they shot, especially in the second half. Plus, when a point was there for the taking from a close-in free, they tried a Dessie Hutchinson/Stephen Bennett stunt but all they got was a 65 which was sent wide. Having said that, an Offaly-Tipp final next weekend is an interesting prospect, with many of the same players from the 2022 minor final involved. The man who "stole" that game for Tipp, Paddy McCormack, was badly missed by Tipp last night and must be very doubtful for the final.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 586 - 25/05/2024 09:41:03    2546914

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Apart from the goal decision, Cork had plenty chances to win the game but the shooting let them down. Well done to Tipp. Outrageous score from Darragh McCarthy to win it. Good few options for Cork to step up to senior from that team.

Avondhu86 (Cork) - Posts: 8 - 25/05/2024 09:51:55    2546916

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Wouldn't generally be an advocate of appeals against results but Cork denied a cast iron goal in second half. They dominated the,second half but missed a pile of chances. Goal was difference."
Cork had enough chances to take the result out of the umpires and refs hands. They had enough chances to win two games. Disallowed goal was cruel but they had plenty of chances after that to win the game. That's on Cork not the umpire.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 25/05/2024 10:03:55    2546920

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In fairness last night one was a goal for sure umpire got it completely wrong ,, but in regards Waterford v clare umpire got it completely right ,,

Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 955 - 25/05/2024 10:07:02    2546922

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Am just going to use this to make a general point about such situations. I don't mean to pick on this Cork team in particular.

As Barney states, Cork dominated the second half. But they made many mistakes in not putting that dominance into greater effect on the scoreboard.

Tipp goalkeeper made one mistake in allowing that ball to bounce off his hand momentarily into the roof of the net.

Umpire made one mistake in not spotting it.

So, many mistakes by Cork. One mistake by the Tipp 'keeper, and one mistake by the umpire. Whose "fault" is it really that Cork didn't win?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2624 - 25/05/2024 10:11:41    2546923

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If every game where an official made a mistake was replayed....we'd be finishing the 2019 competitions around now.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1968 - 25/05/2024 10:22:00    2546925

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Anyone know what the story about black card in underage competition.?there was a very obvious one for a tipp defender but not sent off..Roscommon minor keeper got a black card in minor final..huge mistake by umpire for the goal but mistakes have been made in a lot of matches this year by officials..it looks like Gaa are happy to leave it alone and not take steps to get it right..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2383 - 25/05/2024 10:27:10    2546929

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "If Waterford couldn't appeal Austin Gleeson's goal a few years ago which was essentially the same scenario, then I'd doubt Cork can.
It was very poor from the umpires though. I can accept where they might be unsighted, but in this case the goalie literally pushed the sliotar up into the net. The net moved, so it looked very obvious.
A very tough one to take for the young Cork lads."
Am I right in thinking that the "Austin Gleeson goal", as you describe it, happened in exactly the same place as last night's "goal"? Both decisions went in Tipp's favour - maybe there is some supernatural presence in that spot that's looking after Tipperary's interests!

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 586 - 25/05/2024 10:29:28    2546930

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "If every game where an official made a mistake was replayed....we'd be finishing the 2019 competitions around now."
There is a difference between miscounting steps prior to a goal (don't get me started!!) and missing an actual goal that was the difference on the scoreboard.

I get your point and highly unlikely it will be taken further but they really do need to do something about umpiring. I would hate to think too that refs are letting blatant errors stand because they know the lads in the white coats.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3151 - 25/05/2024 10:35:23    2546933

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Am just going to use this to make a general point about such situations. I don't mean to pick on this Cork team in particular.

As Barney states, Cork dominated the second half. But they made many mistakes in not putting that dominance into greater effect on the scoreboard.

Tipp goalkeeper made one mistake in allowing that ball to bounce off his hand momentarily into the roof of the net.

Umpire made one mistake in not spotting it.

So, many mistakes by Cork. One mistake by the Tipp 'keeper, and one mistake by the umpire. Whose "fault" is it really that Cork didn't win?"
I'm sure that Tipperary also made more mistakes than the umpires, ref etc so should Tipp have lost as well?
Truth is it was an outrageous error by the umpires, not comparable to a player missing a catch or missing a score.
Considering the closeness of the match this error probably (not definitely) decided the outcome of the match.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 795 - 25/05/2024 12:52:17    2546954

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "Cork had enough chances to take the result out of the umpires and refs hands. They had enough chances to win two games. Disallowed goal was cruel but they had plenty of chances after that to win the game. That's on Cork not the umpire."
It's irrelevant how many chances Cork had, the glaring error by the umpire which in a tight game was probably significant was totally on the umpire.
Yes if Cork had taken more of their chances they would have won but also if the goal they scored was awarded they would likely be in the All Ireland final.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 795 - 25/05/2024 13:00:02    2546955

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While I see what people are saying that cork had enough chances to win the game with all their wides, however I think the amount of wides they had is irrelevant when it comes to the goal. This was a perfectly good goal that wasn't given, a team has a right to be given scores that were indeed scores. Then to lose a game by such fine a fine margin I think they have every right to feel aggrieved.
But once again in true GAA fashion this will be pushed under the carpet and nothing will change and this will continue to happen. No learning curve whatsoever.
On a side note as much as I love TG4 I don't think it was the right time after the game to bring up the goal with Brendan Cummins, it wasn't his problem, it's not up to him to worry about scores not given to opposition.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 25/05/2024 13:05:32    2546957

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Replying To sligo joe:  "It's irrelevant how many chances Cork had, the glaring error by the umpire which in a tight game was probably significant was totally on the umpire.
Yes if Cork had taken more of their chances they would have won but also if the goal they scored was awarded they would likely be in the All Ireland final."
All of it is irrelevant. The result is the result. It's not the first "travesty".

No one knows what would of happened if the goal had been given. Cork could of won. Could of woken Tipp up and they might of won by 20 points. Nobody knows.

What we do know is that after that incident Cork dominated and missed chance after chance from frees and play. Not just the wides they butchered enough other chances that ended up being turned over too.

I'm sure the goal is hard to accept but as I said they had enough of game after that to keep the result out of the officials hands. Not taking them is on Cork.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 25/05/2024 14:40:35    2546972

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Don't think there should be a replay.
Genuine error and no wrongdoing from any party.

I also think it's completely irrelevant to the discussion as to whether Cork created enough chances to win the game without the goal or not.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 25/05/2024 21:30:26    2547087

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